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Topic: [ANN][KMD][dPoW] Komodo - An Open, Composable Smart Chain Platform, Secured by B - page 859. (Read 1192336 times)

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Set Your Ideas Free
Start this new Komodo coin with snapshots just like NXT did. Everyone will be happy.

If we would have done that, then the BTCD price would have huge price volatility, and at the end of the snapshot the BTCD price would be close to zero. It would give nice profits to the day traders, but the casual BTCD holder would probably not be to happy.

Instead - and considering that we are here for the long term - we want to have a stable price and give an equal change for all to participate in the ICO. At the same time we want to reward the old BTCD 1.0 holders, and that is done by 50 % bonus to the average price of Auguist, and the new revenue asset.

Some BTCD holders have been very vocal about this, others understand the situation. We considered all the scenarios and we believe this one will give the best outcome for everyone, although there will always be some people who are unhappy.There is no reason to cancel or modify the ICO at this point.

jl777 has been the lead developer for BTCD a long time, and there hasn't been any funding for it. jl777 did not abandon BTCD! Instead he came up with a solution that will make sure the BTCD's vision for financial privacy if fulfilled.

If a developer joins a project in a midway, he is not bound to the investors in the same manner as if he would have raised a lot of money for the development. Even if that would be the case returns are never guaranteed. An investment in a startup is a high risk investment, and investing in cryptocurrency ICO's is little like investing in startups.

For those that do not know, James is an exceptional developer, as he doesn't abandon projects simply because the money ran out or because someone would pay him better in another project. In fact, he has been coding two years for free. Clearly money is not what motivates him, but the end result he strives for.

Without jl777 BTCD would probably have been forgotten a long time ago. However, now BTCD is transforming itself to Komodo: a cryptocurrency using all the latest technologies, and which will integrate to all the other projects James is developing.

I hope we could soon stop talking about BTCD and start talking about Komodo.  Wink
legendary
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No - first you need to understand people, more precisely investors. Same guys as you need them more in ICO.

I can agree more money is needed, but show me the costs planned and justification. Professional business approach.

Also I repeat:

What you win by discussion and going for compromise is:
- respect
- less complaining
- trust, as you prove you treat investors seriously

What invetors need:
- not freezing the price for 10 weeks so low
- not diluting funds so much
- trust/discussion




People need to understand that this ICO could be a flop in terms of BTC raised, why is everyone seeing the MAX BTC allowed as what the outcome would be? dPoW from my understanding could cost up to about 500 BTC a year, will you be funding that?

James did not hold a ICO for btcd so who are actually investors?

He is a person that has no obligations to BTCD. He is free like anyone to walk away at any time and not offer this swap.

So before anyone thinks about dilution or the lack of a short term pump, think about a devless coin that has the same tech as any other alt coin.
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I do not agree spam war approach is good Conqueror.

Open discussion and professional business approach is needed on both sides - current BTCD holders and Komodo team upgrading BTCD.

Let's also expect costs plan and justification.

Also unlocking BTCD price and less diluting BTCD - protecting current investors.


Guys, all of you BTCD investors are beeing fucked at the moment.
Do not stop the FUD by telling the truth.
And make sure to bump this picture on every page of this thread.

Boycot jl777 and all his projects!
full member
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No - first you need to understand people, more precisely investors. Same guys as you need them more in ICO.

I can agree more money is needed, but show me the costs planned and justification. Professional business approach.

Also I repeat:

What you win by discussion and going for compromise is:
- respect
- less complaining
- trust, as you prove you treat investors seriously

What invetors need:
- not freezing the price for 10 weeks so low
- not diluting funds so much
- trust/discussion




People need to understand that this ICO could be a flop in terms of BTC raised, why is everyone seeing the MAX BTC allowed as what the outcome would be? dPoW from my understanding could cost up to about 500 BTC a year, will you be funding that?
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In the end you can call all investors - greed bastards and bad whales, why not? In the end investors want increase their funds, so they are bad and greed.

Only when you need them you smile to them and try to be good, when you have them - you do not care.

Or maybe they are not greedy, just rational? Do not want fo freez funds for 10 weeks, loose even 5x gain during the pause/dilute, and avoid getting dumped price after ICO like usually. Because there are some chances like that. 10 weeks of waiting just to loose more.

What you do not see is you show your new investors that you misstreat the old investors. So you does the FUD yourself promoting the bad approach.

OK Pondsea - I can agree with all you say if you can proove JL and the team has 51% of BTCD - in that case you win, I accept democracy.

But if not that case, no voting win, it's just a bad ignoring approach. Why future investors should count on sth better?

This could be another approach - maybe even more fair, but harder to do - ask the BTCD investors for additional money for development.

It's also harder because requires costs estiamtions, to know what we should pay for.

So maybe in the end ICO is best idea, but with lower max, not more then 10k BTC, I think doubling current marketcap would be ok. Still - all investors could buy BTCD already if they wanted to increase share.

What we as the community of BTCD should do is to ask for the ICO funds for ourselves as a DAO and only pay to jl777 for the actual work he does (if any). That way the funds would remain in the hands of the community. In addition, BTCD should still be renamed to Komodo because BTCD needs a better name.

BTCD investors are not going to put BTC into a community fund to pay for a dev if you need even 100 BTC. A lot of the FUDing in here has to do with greed, do you really expect people to be selfless and fund a community project? They never work out on donations alone.
legendary
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I was diagnosed with brain parasite
HODL, HODL, HODL!I suspect that when his alliance dumped most coins, he dilutes 200x to raise more money again.
Jl777 is doing  many very long term projects and all profits will pour into your ... ILLUSION.
Show your codes with other devs who can understand potential profits, pay them with SuperNET money and assests, do the rest as promises. Why don't you do this way?
Another cycle will be this: no real product, just git, clone & run because he can't do GUI, do not blame him...
Because NXT devs kicked him out, SuperNET and other assets are nearly homeless.
CryptoCard is dead in silence. Teleport, Telepathy: too longterm ideas that ZCASH makes them obsolute and James wants to depend on that technology to further delay his project if anything happens with Zcash relationship.
InstantDEX will be EasyDEX for a show case after 2 years gambling with SuperNET money and no real product.
After BTCD dilutting, SuperNET and other assets manipulating projects is the next?

By the way, up until now, Jl777's API is like this:



Jl777's commitment is as following:



Poor all BTCD bagholders!



^This

 Grin

Guys, all of you BTCD investors are beeing fucked at the moment.
Do not stop the FUD by telling the truth.
And make sure to bump this picture on every page of this thread.

Boycot jl777 and all his projects!
legendary
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What about Waves? Seems you raised 30k btc there. I havnt followed it at all, but it seems strange that it was not mentioned at all here, given that they are so closely tied to the vision of Supernet.

How is Waves doing?
Waves wasnt mentioned. Neither was IOTA. Neither was Stratis. Neither was HEAT

SuperNET owns significant stakes in all four of those projects:

http://www.supernet.org/nav.php

I didnt mention these projects in the komodo ICO as it doesnt relate to them and being invested in a project, giving advice to it, is different than conducting an offering.
legendary
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This is a scam. Zero Knowledge proofs are unproven lack of research field of Cryptography. Sorry this pump will fail
Strange...

https://github.com/zcash/zips/blob/master/protocol/protocol.pdf

There seems to be  a lot of math proofs and a lot of research and a protocol specification.

What part of this doesnt meet your high standards?

Also, zcash appears to be 9% of the most cited research in this field: http://saweis.net/posts/most-cited-security-papers-2013-2014.html

legendary
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James is not part of Waves, that belongs to Sasha and Co. He did invest Supernet funds into Waves.
legendary
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It is a whole new approach for PoW . Hmm interesting concept the BTCD is building . Going to watch over this.
Thanks!

I am glad somebody noticed dPoW is a brand new consensus mechanism that provides bitcoin security to all other dPoW chains.





When is the white paper scheduled to be released?

ICO announcement is essentially presentation of concept to potential investors to raise funds
Announcing ICO without proper white paper is like showing up to venture capitalist and saying I have an idea, I can't really explain it, but trust me it's gonna be HUUUGE



ICO starts on the 15th of OCT. It will be released before then.
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It is a whole new approach for PoW . Hmm interesting concept the BTCD is building . Going to watch over this.
Thanks!

I am glad somebody noticed dPoW is a brand new consensus mechanism that provides bitcoin security to all other dPoW chains.





When is the white paper scheduled to be released?

ICO announcement is essentially presentation of concept to potential investors to raise funds
Announcing ICO without proper white paper is like showing up to venture capitalist and saying I have an idea, I can't really explain it, but trust me it's gonna be HUUUGE

legendary
Activity: 1176
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It is a whole new approach for PoW . Hmm interesting concept the BTCD is building . Going to watch over this.
Thanks!

I am glad somebody noticed dPoW is a brand new consensus mechanism that provides bitcoin security to all other dPoW chains.



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It is a whole new approach for PoW . Hmm interesting concept the BTCD is building . Going to watch over this.
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This is a scam. Zero Knowledge proofs are unproven lack of research field of Cryptography. Sorry this pump will fail
legendary
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64 nodes x $500 a month x 12 months. $600 BTC means that it will actually take over 600 btc for a year.

This will be paid to the node owners to support the network. If a lower funding amount comes in then this would need to be revisited.


The block rewards for nodes including txfees are expected to pay for costs after the initial startup period.

So it is a cost upfront that should eventually be self-sustaining. Changing parameters can be done to reduce costs, so the 500 btc/yr is for the high end scenarios where it represents around 2% of capital
legendary
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64 nodes x $500 a month x 12 months. $600 BTC means that it will actually take over 600 btc for a year.

This will be paid to the node owners to support the network. If a lower funding amount comes in then this would need to be revisited.

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www.neutroncoin.com
"500 BTC a year"?

What is the benefits fforit? How much can you make from it?
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