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Do not expect any "visual" rebranding before the end of october.
Now, their are working on the coding -> design phase is over.
I think it will be sequential. Frist news mid-october, let's hope a full rebranding before the end of the year !

To those who said DPOS is ruled by whales, please remind that small fishes can be more powerfull than whales !
Join the movment ...




Good news ... LiberSpirita will refund the 1 LSK spend to all voters how will vote for RobinHood, LiberSpirita and Liskpro.com before the 1st of October !

Imagine, you can vote without losing any LISK ! Yeah : free vote to get more Lisk from the pool. Isn't it beautifull ?

I don't like the fact you don't share most of your earnings, and that's a lot of money you keep for what ? Yourself, for later ?

I reply to you and talk about you because you share almost nothing to your voters (and not a lot at all even if we look at what you give for projects and stuff) and you try to justify yourself here. I would be pleased to talk with other delegates telling us we're greedy and they're not, and that voting/holding is pretty like doing nothing for the LISK community

You sit on a gold mine and don't want to move. I understand that. But don't pretend what you do is the right thing to do.



I know my english is not really good, that's not my mother tongue. But you really don't understand what i said, right ? Which part of this quote means that "i do nothing and i plan to do nothing" ? Please, tell me. I'm eager to know !

About truncating what i said, i have to insist, that's insulting and unfair, because you remove the part you don't like while a sentence has to be understood as a whole. But it seems pretty clear for me now that respect and fair are not part of your behavior.

Then I have to assume that you are doing nothing, and don't plan to do anything in the future. Then tell me, why do you expect to get a bigger part of the cake when you actually to nothing to earn that bigger part?

I truncate to make it easier to follow the discussion.

Yes, I'm very thankful for my voters. I thank them by working every day for Lisk, trying to increase its value! And I thank users and projects by donating to them. And I will keep doing this.
That's my last response. I need my time to do useful work for Lisk. To increase it's value. Let me know when you actually have done something valuable for Lisk.

Hi!

Here is the blog post Lisk HQ recently posted about the rebrand timeline: https://blog.lisk.io/lisk-rebrand-development-timeline-76bbf1f81cf5

You just don't seem to like that we share through donations to projects instead of directly to voters.  We do share a lot more then you are trying to give us credit for.
You also seem to be ignoring the delegates that are contributing less and sharing the same or less then us too.

I'm also still curious what you think of the lightcurve delegate

Edit: If you want us to share more with you, just show us something you are working on for Lisk.  We reward contributions, not the size of your wallet.  Your sharing will just lead to the rich getting richer issue that many don't like too

You guys continue arguing because you don't want to gain less money than you do. That's all.

That's fun the two of you are amongst the less sharing delegates of the top101 list.

And you keep arguing while there are lots of delegates SHARING far more than you AND still CONTRIBUTING to the community and the LISK ecosystem.

This!  I will and have gladly donated to people contributing.  


If this is what should be rewarded then I should be rewarding myself too just for this  As I have bought more lisk, voted, and hold.  So I'm helping Lisk grow though that and contributions, so I guess I should be giving myself double  
In reality though, voters and holders already get rewarded by the people and delegates that work on projects on Lisk and increase it's value.  So those people are already getting their share.  If they also wanted their account to be like a savings account where they earn interest on their holdings, that is what PoS is 

A) I'm not that kind of guy who will say "i've done this, i've done that, please give me something". I do if i think i can and i don't wait for anyone 1) to tell me to help 2) to thank me because i helped.

B) Do not truncate what i say. That's insulting but maybe that's the way you thank your voters.
I said :

AGAIN : Being voters, being holders, being buyers and not sellers is already helping LSK to grow. If you can't see it, you're blind.

That's exactly how the system should work. And don't forget the most important thing about delegates: They are those who secure the network and process the blocks. And a secure and stable network is important for Lisk to succeed.

Then do something useful for Lisk. Organize a meetup. tweet about it. Explain it to friends. Write a tool. Publish a website. Do ANYTHING, let me know and I'm very happy to award you with much more than only a few single LSK for voting. Help contributing to Lisk by increasing its value. That's how you will get a bigger part of the cake.

Do not try to avoid the fact you're not sharing to your voters as much as lots of other delegates do, even if they contribute to the community, even delegates who are in your own pool. You're not sharing 50% of your LSK back to the community, that's a pretty big lie.

That's not some kind of dilemma mate. You can share more to your voters AND contribute as you do. You can do both, you know you do, you gain enough to do both.
You earn lots of LSK from your delegate position, i made a calculation mistake previously, that's almost 3000 LSK a week you gain, right ?
With the price of LSK on the market, that's a lot of money, we don't talk about LSK price several months ago.


And for the greedy/insulting part i was talking to your mate cc001, who is now telling this kind of thing about voters who don't agree with the way you do :
Or this

It reminds me of politicians tactics and replies.
*spits*

Well voters HOLD LSK, vote for you people, that's why YOU can forge and contribute and share and donate. And voters don't sell it even if they could gain large benefits by doing it.

But continue to insult us while we just want a bigger part of the cake we help you to make days after days ; we won't forget.

I did't call you greedy, I called the delegate that just sells what they don't share greedy  
Also, you are not looking at the whole picture.  Just because I don't share how you want me to, doesn't mean I don't share a lot.  
I have a 5% share that originally was supposed to just be a thank you to voters.  Then I also donate to the gdtpool every week, so that more than doubles my sharing (this is just like elite pool where they all donate to one account that gives out the funds, we have a similar concept).  Then I have a large chunck of my forged funds reserved for donations.  This fund I have used several times already to make donations.  So that is the big way I share.  Same type of concept as Lisk HQ's community fund

So when you look at the whole picture I reserve around 50% of my forged lisk to share and donate.

Would you also call lightcurve a greedy delegate since it shares nothing and just goes to the employees of Lisk HQ??

Delegates actually earn forging more than 2800 LSK per WEEK* (or prove me i'm wrong). Telling us that WE are greedy voters because we want you to share more is INSULTING.




* 10s per block, 8640 per day, 60480 per week 5 LSK per block / 101 delegates

https://blog.lisk.io/lisk-rebrand-development-timeline-76bbf1f81cf5

I am proud Lisk bagholder xD
I would like to ask you what with LISK rebranding  I heard it was planned for August but as everyone can see there's end of September and still nothing happend...
Etheteum is one step from entering the mainstream and what with Lisk?

You're trying to avoid the fact that you share nearly nothing from your forging.

You help the community, yes, okay that's right, and that's why me for example, i wouldn't complain about you sharing, say, 25%.

But 0% or 5% is greedy, even if you help the community.

And i'd rather see every delegate sharing more than 50%, not 0 or 5% like you... Even 30% min from each delegate would be a big improvement.

Nobody here asks you to share 90, 80, 70% from your forging reward.

Telling us that it's "me helping with stuff OR me sharing" is a false dilemma. You know that. There are delegates, even in your own pool, who do both.

And, plus, i don't defend Elite pool. They are bad too. Your two pools are bad for the community, with too much power in the hands of only 2 entities, and very little sharing output...

Doing this, you won't get LSK to rise above its current price, because people, small voters/owners won't simply buy and hold their LSK when there's so little benefits, they'll rather sell it everytime it rises and buy it when it falls.



(i don't approve what techbytes did with his LSK, selling lots of it for selfish profits is bad, and i've already voted for "delegate" GDTpool and don't plan to unvote it)

Here are all my reports:
https://forum.lisk.io/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1278
You can follow there all transactions I did, see all my donations, and check all my contributions, scripts, tutorials, etc...
You can see there that I already donated around $40000 USD in 7 months to promising people and projects supporting Lisk. I have an additional $360000 USD !! in reserve, ready to be donated to great app/sidechain projects when SDK is ready.
So, if you have something contributed to Lisk, please let me know, I'm ready to donate to you as well if I think you've done something worthful.
But please don't tell me anything about "greedy"!

So then, what are you doing to help Lisk as a complete ecosystem? Actually you hurt it, and everybody who would like to see Lisk growing should do exactly the opposite of what your are suggesting.
The people you say people should unvote are exactly those guys who did most for Lisk! Unvoting them hurts Lisk very badly.
Actually I think you are here trying to hurt Lisk and people should ignore your comments

If you check my transparency reports linked above, you will see that I am extremely transparent.
I don't see voters as idiots. It's the opposite. Voters are at the core of a DPoS system. But voters have a big responsibility and influence about how a system like Lisk will grow in the future. Voters can profit much more from their votes when they vote contributing people, trying to increase the value of Lisk instead of only voting for short term gains.

I don't think so. If it's true what you are saying, you wouldn't try to convince people to unvote the most active delegates! All you are interested in is getting as much free money as possible, without doing anything.

You say "I strongly support active contributors to LISK and prefer voting them over profit sharing only delegates", but you are telling people to unvote active contributors to lisk like myself that has been closing Github issues at lisk's beginning, providing lisktools.io (which does need to be updated, but waiting for Lisk 1.0 with new API), and providing the Lisk Android Wallet https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mrv.liskgdt.wallet
or gr33ndrag0n is bad even though he has been the one providing the most reliable snapshots for everyone, makes sure snapshots work with new lisk releases, and has provided alternate wallets and explorer sine the beginning?
or hmachado is bad even though he has provided liskak for all delegates to keep their nodes running smoothly
or 4miners.net is bad even though he has provided great new explorer features and has contributed to closing GitHub issues.
or cc001 who HQ has thought it a good enough delegate that they made a lisk.chat moderator, helping countless new people in chat and has provided many tutorials and guides in the forums.

And instead

You ask people to vote for a profit sharing only delegate that is openly selling the Lisk they keep and providing nothing for Lisk except a pool delegate.

I also find it interesting that you are only asking to unvote GDT members and community contributors; when there is another person in the top 101 that is running 2 delegates and sharing nothing with one of them while providing nothing for Lisk except the other delegate which is a pool.  Hmm....  

Edit: I missed that you said Don't be too greedy and see voters as idiots.  You say this but then tell everyone to vote for a delegate sold all the forged lisk that they set aside for app development for personal gains; and admits to just selling the 50% they weren't sharing with voters; again for presumably just personal gains since they aren't contributing to the Lisk community anymore.

Edit 2: If you want a 90% pool vote in, wouldn't it make more sense to vote gdtpool instead of techbytes?  techbytes has a history of just selling what lisk they can for their own profits.  gdtpool says they will use the 10% not shared to fund and donate to Lisk development projects.  Also, the gdtpool excludes all GDT members so more goes back commuity voters.  Again, this makes your points very interesting.... 

>> voters who try to get higher rewards by doing absolutely NOTHING for Lisk

You are wrong. LISK holder supports LISK market value by buying and holding LSK. Without them, LSK is a SELL.

>> the delegates spending 25% to people contributing to Lisk and promising projects,

Where is the report? How do you know which projects are promising? Your friend's projects? Or USD 200 freelance projects? Don't tell me that you are writing some line of codes, fixing some typos and ask community for paying you USD 6000 per month forever. It is too greedy.

Please don't act as if you were sole contributor to LISK project. Everyone here is contributing to LISK project in different ways.

I strongly support active contributors to LISK and prefer voting them over profit sharing only delegates. However, let be transparent, fair and accountable. Don't be too greedy and see voters as idiots

Dear voters,
 
Let raise your voice and ask delegates for increasing their profit sharing ratio to at least 50% and consider unvoting the following delegates

+ corsaro: 10% share only
+ tembo: 15% share only
+ mrv: 5% share only
+ redsn0w: 10% share only
+ splatters: 10% share only
+ joel: 15%
+ dakk: 15%
+ 4miners.net: 0%
+ cc001: 0%
+ digitron: 0%
+ hmachado: 0%
+ grumlin: 0%
+ goldeneye: 0%
+ liskgate: 0%
+ punkrock: 0%
+ gr33ndrag0n: 0%

It is a waste of money and time to vote for delegates that share nothing to voters. It is simply too greedy

All of them are from GDTPool

Also, vote for techbytes because he shares 90% reward https://lisk.cryptopools.com


Delegate owners please contact http://earnlisk.com/ owner to update your profit sharing ratio

Thank You very much!!!
Don't know why, but my clock was a few minuts forward.
Fixed now. Delegates voting done!