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newbie
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This 51% attack can occur with any cryptocurrency. Lisk, as with all other cryptocurrencies, is fully dependent on their base users.

If the majority (> 50%) of Lisk owners choose to use unregulated Somalian exchanges to trade, it is the end-users fault if the unregulated Somalian exchange decides to control the Lisk network by using end-user funds for voting their own delegates into the active delegation.

Fortunately, exchanges are fairly regulated these days. These exchanges do not use funds for voting or staking.

It doesn't have to be an exchange.

Also, it's not a 51% attack. It is a 100% attack by a minority holder. A minority holder can control 100% of the security mechanism. That can't be said of Bitcoin or any PoS system.


The vote is equivalent to the amount of coins in your wallet (e.g one account with 51,000,000 LISK has a vote presence of 51% of the possible 100% votes). A minority holder cannot gain control of all the 101 delegates, that is unless no one decides to vote.

Holding 51% of the total coin supply is the only guaranteed way to take control of the network.


That's not how I understand it. Each wallet gets 101 votes. If a wallet has a plurality of the weight, it can vote for its own nodes with that plurality.

What you say would be true if each wallet got only 1 vote. A big wallet could vote for itself or another single wallet once and the blockchain security would be split accordingly.

With delegated staking, it would take a coordinated effort to undermine the big wallet.

All other block chain security systems rely on the opposite, which is a lack of coordination.
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
Communications Lead

This 51% attack can occur with any cryptocurrency. Lisk, as with all other cryptocurrencies, is fully dependent on their base users.

If the majority (> 50%) of Lisk owners choose to use unregulated Somalian exchanges to trade, it is the end-users fault if the unregulated Somalian exchange decides to control the Lisk network by using end-user funds for voting their own delegates into the active delegation.

Fortunately, exchanges are fairly regulated these days. These exchanges do not use funds for voting or staking.

It doesn't have to be an exchange.

Also, it's not a 51% attack. It is a 100% attack by a minority holder. A minority holder can control 100% of the security mechanism. That can't be said of Bitcoin or any PoS system.


The vote is equivalent to the amount of coins in your wallet (e.g one account with 51,000,000 LISK has a vote presence of 51% of the possible 100% votes). A minority holder cannot gain control of all the 101 delegates, that is unless no one decides to vote.

Holding 51% of the total coin supply is the only guaranteed way to take control of the network.
newbie
Activity: 39
Merit: 0
This is a story about an exchange

It has 33% of all lisk. It has 101 votes. It votes for 101 of it's 1 lisk wallets.

Everyone else is fucked.

Discuss


Exchanges do not use any of the current crypto wallets with funds to vote or to stake coins.

If they do this, it would not be considered an exhange anymore and could be liable for huge legal repercussions.




With all due respect, relying on an exchange to obey the laws of some arbitrary jurisdiction is a pretty weak argument. What if they operate in Somalia where there is no functional government?



the fact is that the exchanges cant have all the nodes because they would have to be voted in by the people.  Gawd your Fkn stupid.


The exchange would have enough of the money supply to control all the delegates. They wouldn't need votes from the people.

If they control delegates proportional to their holdings, that's one thing. But with delegates, they don't even need a majority if the rest of the vote is split.

There is nothing in the protocol to prevent full control by a minority holder. No other blockchain security system has this sort of weakness.



Dude, if that happens they could just get kicked off the delegate list and a new person gets a chance. Fucking turd.


They will kick themselves off?


with nodes costing like $50 I think anyone can afford to become one.  You're just worrying about absolutely nothing and trying to cause a scene also for no real reason.  Or your reason is fucking greed.


How are all the nodes going to reach consensus to kick off the hundred delegates fully validated and supported by the protocol?
newbie
Activity: 39
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The exchange would have enough of the money supply to control all the delegates. They wouldn't need votes from the people.

If they control delegates proportional to their holdings, that's one thing. But with delegates, they don't even need a majority if the rest of the vote is split.

There is nothing in the protocol to prevent full control by a minority holder. No other blockchain security system has this sort of weakness.



This 51% attack can occur with any cryptocurrency. Lisk, as with all other cryptocurrencies, is fully dependent on their base users.

If the majority (> 50%) of Lisk owners choose to use unregulated Somalian exchanges to trade, it is the end-users fault if the unregulated Somalian exchange decides to control the Lisk network by using end-user funds for voting their own delegates into the active delegation.

Fortunately, exchanges are fairly regulated these days. These exchanges do not use funds for voting or staking.

It doesn't have to be an exchange.

Also, it's not a 51% attack. It is a 100% attack by a minority holder. A minority holder can control 100% of the security mechanism. That can't be said of Bitcoin or any PoS system.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 501
This is a story about an exchange

It has 33% of all lisk. It has 101 votes. It votes for 101 of it's 1 lisk wallets.

Everyone else is fucked.

Discuss


Exchanges do not use any of the current crypto wallets with funds to vote or to stake coins.

If they do this, it would not be considered an exhange anymore and could be liable for huge legal repercussions.




With all due respect, relying on an exchange to obey the laws of some arbitrary jurisdiction is a pretty weak argument. What if they operate in Somalia where there is no functional government?



the fact is that the exchanges cant have all the nodes because they would have to be voted in by the people.  Gawd your Fkn stupid.


The exchange would have enough of the money supply to control all the delegates. They wouldn't need votes from the people.

If they control delegates proportional to their holdings, that's one thing. But with delegates, they don't even need a majority if the rest of the vote is split.

There is nothing in the protocol to prevent full control by a minority holder. No other blockchain security system has this sort of weakness.



Dude, if that happens they could just get kicked off the delegate list and a new person gets a chance. Fucking turd.


They will kick themselves off?


with nodes costing like $50 I think anyone can afford to become one.  You're just worrying about absolutely nothing and trying to cause a scene also for no real reason.  Or your reason is fucking greed.
newbie
Activity: 39
Merit: 0
This is a story about an exchange

It has 33% of all lisk. It has 101 votes. It votes for 101 of it's 1 lisk wallets.

Everyone else is fucked.

Discuss


Exchanges do not use any of the current crypto wallets with funds to vote or to stake coins.

If they do this, it would not be considered an exhange anymore and could be liable for huge legal repercussions.




With all due respect, relying on an exchange to obey the laws of some arbitrary jurisdiction is a pretty weak argument. What if they operate in Somalia where there is no functional government?



the fact is that the exchanges cant have all the nodes because they would have to be voted in by the people.  Gawd your Fkn stupid.


The exchange would have enough of the money supply to control all the delegates. They wouldn't need votes from the people.

If they control delegates proportional to their holdings, that's one thing. But with delegates, they don't even need a majority if the rest of the vote is split.

There is nothing in the protocol to prevent full control by a minority holder. No other blockchain security system has this sort of weakness.



Dude, if that happens they could just get kicked off the delegate list and a new person gets a chance. Fucking turd.


They will kick themselves off?
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
Communications Lead

The exchange would have enough of the money supply to control all the delegates. They wouldn't need votes from the people.

If they control delegates proportional to their holdings, that's one thing. But with delegates, they don't even need a majority if the rest of the vote is split.

There is nothing in the protocol to prevent full control by a minority holder. No other blockchain security system has this sort of weakness.



This 51% attack can occur with any cryptocurrency. Lisk, as with all other cryptocurrencies, is fully dependent on their base users.

If the majority (> 50%) of Lisk owners choose to use unregulated Somalian exchanges to trade, it is the end-users fault if the unregulated Somalian exchange decides to control the Lisk network by using end-user funds for voting their own delegates into the active delegation.

Fortunately, exchanges are fairly regulated these days. These exchanges do not use funds for voting or staking.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 501
This is a story about an exchange

It has 33% of all lisk. It has 101 votes. It votes for 101 of it's 1 lisk wallets.

Everyone else is fucked.

Discuss


Exchanges do not use any of the current crypto wallets with funds to vote or to stake coins.

If they do this, it would not be considered an exhange anymore and could be liable for huge legal repercussions.




With all due respect, relying on an exchange to obey the laws of some arbitrary jurisdiction is a pretty weak argument. What if they operate in Somalia where there is no functional government?



the fact is that the exchanges cant have all the nodes because they would have to be voted in by the people.  Gawd your Fkn stupid.


The exchange would have enough of the money supply to control all the delegates. They wouldn't need votes from the people.

If they control delegates proportional to their holdings, that's one thing. But with delegates, they don't even need a majority if the rest of the vote is split.

There is nothing in the protocol to prevent full control by a minority holder. No other blockchain security system has this sort of weakness.



Dude, if that happens they could just get kicked off the delegate list and a new person gets a chance. Fucking turd.
newbie
Activity: 39
Merit: 0
This is a story about an exchange

It has 33% of all lisk. It has 101 votes. It votes for 101 of it's 1 lisk wallets.

Everyone else is fucked.

Discuss


Exchanges do not use any of the current crypto wallets with funds to vote or to stake coins.

If they do this, it would not be considered an exhange anymore and could be liable for huge legal repercussions.




With all due respect, relying on an exchange to obey the laws of some arbitrary jurisdiction is a pretty weak argument. What if they operate in Somalia where there is no functional government?



the fact is that the exchanges cant have all the nodes because they would have to be voted in by the people.  Gawd your Fkn stupid.


The exchange would have enough of the money supply to control all the delegates. They wouldn't need votes from the people.

If they control delegates proportional to their holdings, that's one thing. But with delegates, they don't even need a majority if the rest of the vote is split.

There is nothing in the protocol to prevent full control by a minority holder. No other blockchain security system has this sort of weakness.

hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 501
This is a story about an exchange

It has 33% of all lisk. It has 101 votes. It votes for 101 of it's 1 lisk wallets.

Everyone else is fucked.

Discuss


Exchanges do not use any of the current crypto wallets with funds to vote or to stake coins.

If they do this, it would not be considered an exhange anymore and could be liable for huge legal repercussions.




With all due respect, relying on an exchange to obey the laws of some arbitrary jurisdiction is a pretty weak argument. What if they operate in Somalia where there is no functional government?



the fact is that the exchanges cant have all the nodes because they would have to be voted in by the people.  Gawd your Fkn stupid.
newbie
Activity: 39
Merit: 0
This is a story about an exchange

It has 33% of all lisk. It has 101 votes. It votes for 101 of it's 1 lisk wallets.

Everyone else is fucked.

Discuss


Exchanges do not use any of the current crypto wallets with funds to vote or to stake coins.

If they do this, it would not be considered an exhange anymore and could be liable for huge legal repercussions.




With all due respect, relying on an exchange to obey the laws of some arbitrary jurisdiction is a pretty weak argument. What if they operate in Somalia where there is no functional government?

hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
Communications Lead
This is a story about an exchange

It has 33% of all lisk. It has 101 votes. It votes for 101 of it's 1 lisk wallets.

Everyone else is fucked.

Discuss


Exchanges do not use any of the current crypto wallets with funds to vote or to stake coins.

If they do this, it would not be considered an exhange anymore and could be liable for huge legal repercussions.

sr. member
Activity: 326
Merit: 250
Why not make LISK into a Dapp on the Ethereum blockchain?
newbie
Activity: 39
Merit: 0
This is a story about an exchange

It has 33% of all lisk. It has 101 votes. It votes for 101 of it's 1 lisk wallets.

Everyone else is fucked.

Discuss


You're retarded.  Discuss that.


You didn't convince anyone with that outburst. Explain what prevents this from happening.
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 501
This is a story about an exchange

It has 33% of all lisk. It has 101 votes. It votes for 101 of it's 1 lisk wallets.

Everyone else is fucked.

Discuss


You're retarded.  Discuss that.
newbie
Activity: 39
Merit: 0
This is a story about an exchange

It has 33% of all lisk. It has 101 votes. It votes for 101 of it's 1 lisk wallets.

Everyone else is fucked.

Discuss
hero member
Activity: 532
Merit: 500
Offer escrow, receive negative trust
Hi guys,

Glad to finally be a part of Lisk Smiley

Quick question: what now?!



Per OP, I've documented & saved the three phrases/keys/what have you that were generated for this purchase.  Now do I just...wait until ICO is over?  When hopping on the lisk train, I didn't realize my ICO buy also came with a bonus: a free, lingering feeling of anxiety as my funds are floating around somewhere out of my grasp  Embarrassed 

Not that I expect to be scammed - the only thing that had me worried was that, although I used a mobile device to purchase LISK, there was no option to 'download keys' as seen in this image.  Despite this, I do have the 'Keys have been accepted' status upon receiving my three different keys/ten word phrase/whatever the last one is (hash?)

Just making sure I'm not missing anything here.  Just want to see that gray arrow turn blue!  Thanks in advance Smiley
full member
Activity: 178
Merit: 100
LiskHQ CTO
How much time it takes to confirm the deposit?

whenever your btc transfer has its first confirmation

One confirmation and still nothing...

Deposits are confirmed after 3 confirmations.
legendary
Activity: 1960
Merit: 1022
How much time it takes to confirm the deposit?

whenever your btc transfer has its first confirmation

One confirmation and still nothing...
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 501
42 more BTC and we'll hit 3500 BTC donated.  doing pretty good.  I bet early on it would be 2500 BTC at the end but shit, I was way wrong.   Lots of interest in this coin.  The guy who said 5000 BTC looks like he might be right lol.
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