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If the Lisk business license takes 6-8 weeks, when did they first submit it for approval?
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While there is competition to become a delegate for the main chain, there will be plenty of demand to run delegates for the sidechains.
Thank you for your answer; however it is earning Lisk I am interested in, and since it's almost impossible to become a delegate of the main Lisk blockchain, can you point me to a sidechain which will allow me to earn Lisk for securing it?

Wrong.  We currently do not have anywhere near 101 people running testnet nodes.  

https://testnet-explorer.lisk.io/delegateMonitor

Just click on "Status" to do a sort and look at the block of red dots.  You can start a testnet node tonight and turn one of those red dots into a green dot with your name beside it.  You wanna become a Lisk Mainnet Active Delegate when forging rewards eventually get turned on?  Do your testnet homework now.  Go to lisk.chat, start hanging out at #testnet, and direct message joel that you want to run a testnet node.  The people running testnet nodes now are the only Liskers who are going to have sufficient experience to run mainnet nodes soon.
I was wondering , except the experience and every manual that lisk devs have provided us, should the delegates also have some serious programming skills?
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Lisk - The Week in Retrospect - August 16, 2016

Welcome to our weekly Lisk retrospects in which we give you an overview of our announcements, news articles and interviews.

http://us12.campaign-archive2.com/?u=201693389b5cea4883858163e&id=0275aeeb0a&e=5b82159d82

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RT: https://twitter.com/LiskHQ/status/765572072810680320
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While there is competition to become a delegate for the main chain, there will be plenty of demand to run delegates for the sidechains.
Thank you for your answer; however it is earning Lisk I am interested in, and since it's almost impossible to become a delegate of the main Lisk blockchain, can you point me to a sidechain which will allow me to earn Lisk for securing it?

Wrong.  We currently do not have anywhere near 101 people running testnet nodes.  

https://testnet-explorer.lisk.io/delegateMonitor

Just click on "Status" to do a sort and look at the block of red dots.  You can start a testnet node tonight and turn one of those red dots into a green dot with your name beside it.  You wanna become a Lisk Mainnet Active Delegate when forging rewards eventually get turned on?  Do your testnet homework now.  Go to lisk.chat, start hanging out at #testnet, and direct message joel that you want to run a testnet node.  The people running testnet nodes now are the only Liskers who are going to have sufficient experience to run mainnet nodes soon.
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I think if your view of the crypto space isn't so myopic as short term price (1 week time frames) ranges, whether a coin will pump immediately you'd find that the discussion really has to do with the crypto space as a whole. If you have a general understanding of LISK everything they talked about impacts LISK.

The governance, philosophical and intellectual ideas Hoskinson has towards the entire crypto space will directly influence LISK as a senior advisor.

Personally, he very briefly discussed the 'tribes' and factions that have come out of ETC/ETH debate. I immediately thought that in relation to LISK the logo doesn't clearly define an attraction to a certain group of people. I think an overhaul will come, any marketing professional will quickly change the entire marketing look and feel to attract more people adopting a more populous approach.

Hoskinson definitely has a "code is law" bent, which I personally agree with. I think human behaviour even if you do the right thing 99 times out of hundred depending on the mental, physical and overall health of the people involved they can slip up and make bad decisions. The 1 bad choice out of 100 can have massive impacts.  I personally think Vitalik was under a lot of pressure to do the right thing with probably a million voices influencing his decisions.

If Vitalik had left it alone, I am 99% sure a better (moral) hacker would have solved the problem without forking the chain.

If you want Hoskinson has talked at length about LISK and his reasons for joining. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIMk-A7L8S4

EDIT: at the 32 minute mark, they talk about LISK vis a vis ETH.

But as you'll see in the video it's about the entire space, LISK will be moulded in relation to the entire space and what works best with the team they put together. The best companies solve problems identifying the need for side chains and other code bases definitely has it's place.

Reading the white paper and listening to different interviews, there are some very smart, talented and well intentioned people on board.



Thanks for the markers to watch at. You are right, that ETC will likely have an impact on Lisk given Charles's involvement, in that IOHK would be a strong candidate to port EVM over to Lisk as a blockchain app connected to Lisk. Lisk may even have ETC integration, though it would make business sense to have ETH integration as well. ETC does have some strong support in the Lisk community. My own preference is for ETH, but the market and ability for ETC to gain developer support and organize will be the deciding factors.
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Yes. This is why there will be a market for a blockchain app to implement simple smart contracts and other functions which wouldn't really warrant creating a sidechain just to run by themselves. For this reason, Ethereum and Lisk are not really competitors, other than Lisk can run EVM as a blockchain app tied to the main Lisk chain.

You really get it. What helped you the most to understand Lisk?

I was already knowledgeable about Crypti, and have continued following Lisk.
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While there is competition to become a delegate for the main chain, there will be plenty of demand to run delegates for the sidechains.


Thank you for your answer; however it is earning Lisk I am interested in, and since it's almost impossible to become a delegate of the main Lisk blockchain, can you point me to a sidechain which will allow me to earn Lisk for securing it?

You will probably have to wait a few months for opportunities to run delegates for sidechains. It is a good time to set up a delegate to run on the testnet so you can gain experience. Also, it will depend on the sidechain as to whether they reward delegates in Lisk or their own token, which would need to be exchanged for Lisk or other currency of your choice.
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I think if your view of the crypto space isn't so myopic as short term price (1 week time frames) ranges, whether a coin will pump immediately you'd find that the discussion really has to do with the crypto space as a whole. If you have a general understanding of LISK everything they talked about impacts LISK.

The governance, philosophical and intellectual ideas Hoskinson has towards the entire crypto space will directly influence LISK as a senior advisor.

Personally, he very briefly discussed the 'tribes' and factions that have come out of ETC/ETH debate. I immediately thought that in relation to LISK the logo doesn't clearly define an attraction to a certain group of people. I think an overhaul will come, any marketing professional will quickly change the entire marketing look and feel to attract more people adopting a more populous approach.

Hoskinson definitely has a "code is law" bent, which I personally agree with. I think human behaviour even if you do the right thing 99 times out of hundred depending on the mental, physical and overall health of the people involved they can slip up and make bad decisions. The 1 bad choice out of 100 can have massive impacts.  I personally think Vitalik was under a lot of pressure to do the right thing with probably a million voices influencing his decisions.

If Vitalik had left it alone, I am 99% sure a better (moral) hacker would have solved the problem without forking the chain.

If you want, Hoskinson has talked at length about LISK and his reasons for joining. Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIMk-A7L8S4

EDIT: at the 32 minute mark, they talk about LISK vis a vis ETH.

But as you'll see in the video it's about the entire space, LISK will be moulded in relation to the entire space and what works best with the team they put together. The best companies solve problems, identifying the need for side chains and other code bases definitely has it's place.

Reading the white paper and listening to different interviews, there are some very smart, talented and well intentioned people on board.

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Lisk will be #1 alt in 2019.
Is Lisk discussed anywhere in it? Don't have time to watch the whole thing, and not at all interested in ETC. Thanks, if you can save me the time, would definitely want to see any discussion on Lisk.

Second that, im into Lisk and ETH, not really into listening ETC propaganda.
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While there is competition to become a delegate for the main chain, there will be plenty of demand to run delegates for the sidechains.


Thank you for your answer; however it is earning Lisk I am interested in, and since it's almost impossible to become a delegate of the main Lisk blockchain, can you point me to a sidechain which will allow me to earn Lisk for securing it?
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My interview on Epicenter Bitcoin https://youtu.be/5040I0PW7rc enjoy everyone

Excellent discussion! Man I love crypto.
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My interview on Epicenter Bitcoin https://youtu.be/5040I0PW7rc enjoy everyone
Really liked your interview. Thanks for sharing  Cool

Is Lisk discussed anywhere in it? Don't have time to watch the whole thing, and not at all interested in ETC. Thanks, if you can save me the time, would definitely want to see any discussion on Lisk.
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Yes. This is why there will be a market for a blockchain app to implement simple smart contracts and other functions which wouldn't really warrant creating a sidechain just to run by themselves. For this reason, Ethereum and Lisk are not really competitors, other than Lisk can run EVM as a blockchain app tied to the main Lisk chain.

You really get it. What helped you the most to understand Lisk?

Ok thanks for your clear answer. I don't find this elegant though, as if I am a fan of Lisk, I don't want to have anything to do with Ether,

I guess Lisk should have some kind of catchall sidechain for all small apps and simple smart contracts...

Also say I am a small guy with no big ideas and no desire to invest a lot of energy in this, can I, somehow, still earn Lisk by staking in any way or do I absolutely have to play the whole political game to become a Delegate?

While there is competition to become a delegate for the main chain, there will be plenty of demand to run delegates for the sidechains.

Running EVM as a blockchain app tied to Lisk is not the same as tying Ethereum directly to Lisk. It is more like forking Ethereum to run as different application for its smart contract functionality to run independently as a Lisk app.

It is also quite possible that someone may develop a GUI to create smart contracts which run on Java Script with a consensus system on a dedicated set of delegates developed for that purpose.

Also, please keep in mind that even with EVM running as a blockchain app on Lisk, any hacks or failures would be confined to that app and would not impact the main Lisk chain or anything else connected to it.
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My interview on Epicenter Bitcoin https://youtu.be/5040I0PW7rc enjoy everyone
Really liked your interview. Thanks for sharing  Cool
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Yes. This is why there will be a market for a blockchain app to implement simple smart contracts and other functions which wouldn't really warrant creating a sidechain just to run by themselves. For this reason, Ethereum and Lisk are not really competitors, other than Lisk can run EVM as a blockchain app tied to the main Lisk chain.

You really get it. What helped you the most to understand Lisk?

Ok thanks for your clear answer. I don't find this elegant though, as if I am a fan of Lisk, I don't want to have anything to do with Ether,

I guess Lisk should have some kind of catchall sidechain for all small apps and simple smart contracts...

Also say I am a small guy with no big ideas and no desire to invest a lot of energy in this, can I, somehow, still earn Lisk by staking in any way or do I absolutely have to play the whole political game to become a Delegate?
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My interview on Epicenter Bitcoin https://youtu.be/5040I0PW7rc enjoy everyone
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Yes. This is why there will be a market for a blockchain app to implement simple smart contracts and other functions which wouldn't really warrant creating a sidechain just to run by themselves. For this reason, Ethereum and Lisk are not really competitors, other than Lisk can run EVM as a blockchain app tied to the main Lisk chain.

You really get it. What helped you the most to understand Lisk?
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black swan hunter
Yes. This is why there will be a market for a blockchain app to implement simple smart contracts and other functions which wouldn't really warrant creating a sidechain just to run by themselves. For this reason, Ethereum and Lisk are not really competitors, other than Lisk can run EVM as a blockchain app tied to the main Lisk chain.
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Can someone explain me how could sidechains replace ethereum's smart contracts in Lisk?

I think those 2 things are very different. Does this mean that for every Dapp with Lisk one has to download another sidechain blockchain?

Lisk blockchain applications are different from Ethereum smart contracts, although Ethereum Virtual Machine (EVM) can run as a Lisk app with its own delegates.

Lisk apps run as sidechains which can receive and send Lisk from a multisig address on the main Lisk chain.


Thanks for your answer but I don't get it still, and I can't find good detailed info about this:

An ethereum smart contract could be a short piece of Solidity Code, compiled then embedded in the ETH blockchain.  This small piece of code does, say, a simple "Hello World" function.

To make the same simple "Hello World" function in Lisk, I have to create a whole Blockchain and link it to Lisk as a sidechain?
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