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I never said a carbon tax is the way the go. It's not. The way to go is for people to change their shit habits like driving SUVs for example or doing wasteful shit. Changing way people think is also important, to create a more sustainable ecosystem.

Well I think it is sustainable and only dangered by radiation atm. guess we have to accept to differ bout that  Wink.
We definitely have to reduce the waste , especially wasting our time.

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Temperature on other planets goes up and down too yet there is no Fossil Fuel Burning going on, no SUV's. Explain THAT one. (Hint: It's the Sun)

As far as Algore being a BitCoin fan that doesn't negate all his previous Snake Oil Sales.  I'm sure he's a real nice guy in person and he got all choked up when he watched "The Notebook".

Doesn't matter, he's STILL a scam artist.

Yeah man doesn't impact climate at all. It's all happening naturally and man can't impact shit at all.

Tell that to people using gas masks in Shanghai where they can't breath due to too much smog. Did you know they have warning signs in Shanghai when all car traffic has to stop because air is way too polluted? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52a0035b6bb3f7972cdb2394/the-smog-in-shanghai-right-now-seriously-looks-like-its-the-end-of-the-world.jpg http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-china-pollution-idUSBREA0E0RD20140115

Don't be a fucking tool man. Propaganda cuts both ways you know. Just because one party is right doesn't mean other party is wrong and vice versa.

What are you on about? There is a HUGE difference between creating pollution and CHANGING THE CLIMATE. ughhh

That was clear example nobody can deny of how man can change the climate for the worst. It's not just naturally occurring stuff. Get it jumbo?

liberals are so retarded

I'm a right wing libertarian you twat, just not the brainwashed monkey see monkey do kind without a will of his own that buys into all propaganda BS he hears from Alex Jones and other fat fucks.

a lot of assumptions you made in that post kid. Anyway, im not in the mood to get into an internet pissing contest with you. Think what you want, i dont care

People usually resort to name calling when they can't use reason. You're just like those shallow liberals saying "paul tards", resulting to cheap ad hominem attack. You've basically lost this argument. Now go home and pop a hamburger and a coke and drive that fat ass in your zero polluting SUV.

Dont get all high and mighty. YOU were the first one who acted out like a douche and started "name calling" so get out of here with that nonsense. I cant stand logically inconsistent people

Guess I've struck a nerve. Well, well check our exchange so far. You were the one who jumped the gun when running out of arguments.

Anyways point is people buy whole package coming from X or Y celebrity. They don't take the time to weed out the info and just take the full package. You're some anti-liberal so you must also be anti-global warming. How so fucking cliché! Monkey see monkey do as I was saying.



again you are making a lot of assumptions about my ideology. whatever.

And yes, you struck such a nerve with me that i really lost my capacity to even walk. or maybe i dont care about you or what you think. Its either one or the other
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Temperature on other planets goes up and down too yet there is no Fossil Fuel Burning going on, no SUV's. Explain THAT one. (Hint: It's the Sun)

As far as Algore being a BitCoin fan that doesn't negate all his previous Snake Oil Sales.  I'm sure he's a real nice guy in person and he got all choked up when he watched "The Notebook".

Doesn't matter, he's STILL a scam artist.

Yeah man doesn't impact climate at all. It's all happening naturally and man can't impact shit at all.

Tell that to people using gas masks in Shanghai where they can't breath due to too much smog. Did you know they have warning signs in Shanghai when all car traffic has to stop because air is way too polluted? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52a0035b6bb3f7972cdb2394/the-smog-in-shanghai-right-now-seriously-looks-like-its-the-end-of-the-world.jpg http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-china-pollution-idUSBREA0E0RD20140115

Don't be a fucking tool man. Propaganda cuts both ways you know. Just because you're presented with alternative propaganda, doesn't mean it's not just that.

Be nice guys
This is called local environmental pollution which i also hate to death ,buts thats not world climate change.
I hope you realise the difference one day. CO2 control will implement world socialism on a voluntary basis.

what is maxcoin doin by the way  Cheesy,

Please can anybody tell me how much those botnets can grab these days. I want to understand the dimension.


This just goes to show, which my point was, that man can influence climate a lot. Just project this kind of local pollution on a larger scale.

Another example is Fukushima radiation spreading around, even getting to US. Same thing. 100% man made shit. Soil erosion leading to desertification is also man made due to deforestation. Did you know North of Africa of lush green place not long ago. Deforestation destroyed it same as it destroyed many old cultures.

Man has huge impact over nature and global warming is just part of that. Just because there are weather cycles doesn't mean man made pollution via CO2 gas emissions don't have an effect. It can have huge impact.



I think your underestimating how big our planet is, and how much green there is.
Radiation is a big problem and could erase us from this planet, I'm 100% your opinion on that.
but you can't control everybodys life with their personal "uranium emission". thats why Co2 is promoted as the climate killer and danger for our wellbeing. BUT ITS NOT. Not even on the larger scale.




I never said a carbon tax is the way the go. It's not. The way to go is for people to change their shit habits like driving SUVs for example or doing wasteful shit. Changing way people think is also important, to create a more sustainable ecosystem.
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Temperature on other planets goes up and down too yet there is no Fossil Fuel Burning going on, no SUV's. Explain THAT one. (Hint: It's the Sun)

As far as Algore being a BitCoin fan that doesn't negate all his previous Snake Oil Sales.  I'm sure he's a real nice guy in person and he got all choked up when he watched "The Notebook".

Doesn't matter, he's STILL a scam artist.

Yeah man doesn't impact climate at all. It's all happening naturally and man can't impact shit at all.

Tell that to people using gas masks in Shanghai where they can't breath due to too much smog. Did you know they have warning signs in Shanghai when all car traffic has to stop because air is way too polluted? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52a0035b6bb3f7972cdb2394/the-smog-in-shanghai-right-now-seriously-looks-like-its-the-end-of-the-world.jpg http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-china-pollution-idUSBREA0E0RD20140115

Don't be a fucking tool man. Propaganda cuts both ways you know. Just because one party is right doesn't mean other party is wrong and vice versa.

What are you on about? There is a HUGE difference between creating pollution and CHANGING THE CLIMATE. ughhh

That was clear example nobody can deny of how man can change the climate for the worst. It's not just naturally occurring stuff. Get it jumbo?

liberals are so retarded

I'm a right wing libertarian you twat, just not the brainwashed monkey see monkey do kind without a will of his own that buys into all propaganda BS he hears from Alex Jones and other fat fucks.

a lot of assumptions you made in that post kid. Anyway, im not in the mood to get into an internet pissing contest with you. Think what you want, i dont care

People usually resort to name calling when they can't use reason. You're just like those shallow liberals saying "paul tards", resulting to cheap ad hominem attack. You've basically lost this argument. Now go home and pop a hamburger and a coke and drive that fat ass in your zero polluting SUV.

Dont get all high and mighty. YOU were the first one who acted out like a douche and started "name calling" so get out of here with that nonsense. I cant stand logically inconsistent people

Guess I've struck a nerve. Well, well check our exchange so far. You were the one who jumped the gun when running out of arguments.

Anyways point is people buy whole package coming from X or Y celebrity. They don't take the time to weed out the info and just take the full package. You're some anti-liberal so you must also be anti-global warming. How so fucking cliché! Monkey see monkey do as I was saying.

hero member
Activity: 882
Merit: 1000
Temperature on other planets goes up and down too yet there is no Fossil Fuel Burning going on, no SUV's. Explain THAT one. (Hint: It's the Sun)

As far as Algore being a BitCoin fan that doesn't negate all his previous Snake Oil Sales.  I'm sure he's a real nice guy in person and he got all choked up when he watched "The Notebook".

Doesn't matter, he's STILL a scam artist.

Yeah man doesn't impact climate at all. It's all happening naturally and man can't impact shit at all.

Tell that to people using gas masks in Shanghai where they can't breath due to too much smog. Did you know they have warning signs in Shanghai when all car traffic has to stop because air is way too polluted? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52a0035b6bb3f7972cdb2394/the-smog-in-shanghai-right-now-seriously-looks-like-its-the-end-of-the-world.jpg http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-china-pollution-idUSBREA0E0RD20140115

Don't be a fucking tool man. Propaganda cuts both ways you know. Just because you're presented with alternative propaganda, doesn't mean it's not just that.

Be nice guys
This is called local environmental pollution which i also hate to death ,buts thats not world climate change.
I hope you realise the difference one day. CO2 control will implement world socialism on a voluntary basis.

what is maxcoin doin by the way  Cheesy,

Please can anybody tell me how much those botnets can grab these days. I want to understand the dimension.


This just goes to show, which my point was, that man can influence climate a lot. Just project this kind of local pollution on a larger scale.

Another example is Fukushima radiation spreading around, even getting to US. Same thing. 100% man made shit. Soil erosion leading to desertification is also man made due to deforestation. Did you know North of Africa of lush green place not long ago. Deforestation destroyed it same as it destroyed many old cultures.

Man has huge impact over nature and global warming is just part of that. Just because there are weather cycles doesn't mean man made pollution via CO2 gas emissions don't have an effect. It can have huge impact.



I think your underestimating how big our planet is, and how much green there is.
Radiation is a big problem and could erase us from this planet, I'm 100% your opinion on that.
but you can't control everybodys life with their personal "uranium emission". thats why Co2 is promoted as the climate killer and danger for our wellbeing. BUT ITS NOT. Not even on the larger scale.


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Another example is Fukushima radiation spreading around, even getting to US. Same thing. 100% man made shit.
Oil and Natural Gas come from the Earth. Radiation of that type doesn't, unless you (or Algore) wanna' say that happens too.

But you DO notice that the powers that be don't wanna' address Fukushima? Wasting time on "Global Warming" that's why. Stop with the distractions please!
sr. member
Activity: 364
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Temperature on other planets goes up and down too yet there is no Fossil Fuel Burning going on, no SUV's. Explain THAT one. (Hint: It's the Sun)

As far as Algore being a BitCoin fan that doesn't negate all his previous Snake Oil Sales.  I'm sure he's a real nice guy in person and he got all choked up when he watched "The Notebook".

Doesn't matter, he's STILL a scam artist.

Yeah man doesn't impact climate at all. It's all happening naturally and man can't impact shit at all.

Tell that to people using gas masks in Shanghai where they can't breath due to too much smog. Did you know they have warning signs in Shanghai when all car traffic has to stop because air is way too polluted? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52a0035b6bb3f7972cdb2394/the-smog-in-shanghai-right-now-seriously-looks-like-its-the-end-of-the-world.jpg http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-china-pollution-idUSBREA0E0RD20140115

Don't be a fucking tool man. Propaganda cuts both ways you know. Just because one party is right doesn't mean other party is wrong and vice versa.

What are you on about? There is a HUGE difference between creating pollution and CHANGING THE CLIMATE. ughhh

That was clear example nobody can deny of how man can change the climate for the worst. It's not just naturally occurring stuff. Get it jumbo?

liberals are so retarded

I'm a right wing libertarian you twat, just not the brainwashed monkey see monkey do kind without a will of his own that buys into all propaganda BS he hears from Alex Jones and other fat fucks.

a lot of assumptions you made in that post kid. Anyway, im not in the mood to get into an internet pissing contest with you. Think what you want, i dont care

People usually resort to name calling when they can't use reason. You're just like those shallow liberals saying "paul tards", resulting to cheap ad hominem attack. You've basically lost this argument. Now go home and pop a hamburger and a coke and drive that fat ass in your zero polluting SUV.

Dont get all high and mighty. YOU were the first one who acted out like a douche and started "name calling" so get out of here with that nonsense. I cant stand logically inconsistent people
newbie
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Can we please finally start to produce coins which we would mine with our muscles instead of electricity?

I'm working on it
legendary
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comme on Max you are english and are making us wait toooo much

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sr. member
Activity: 294
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Temperature on other planets goes up and down too yet there is no Fossil Fuel Burning going on, no SUV's. Explain THAT one. (Hint: It's the Sun)

As far as Algore being a BitCoin fan that doesn't negate all his previous Snake Oil Sales.  I'm sure he's a real nice guy in person and he got all choked up when he watched "The Notebook".

Doesn't matter, he's STILL a scam artist.

Yeah man doesn't impact climate at all. It's all happening naturally and man can't impact shit at all.

Tell that to people using gas masks in Shanghai where they can't breath due to too much smog. Did you know they have warning signs in Shanghai when all car traffic has to stop because air is way too polluted? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52a0035b6bb3f7972cdb2394/the-smog-in-shanghai-right-now-seriously-looks-like-its-the-end-of-the-world.jpg http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-china-pollution-idUSBREA0E0RD20140115

Don't be a fucking tool man. Propaganda cuts both ways you know. Just because you're presented with alternative propaganda, doesn't mean it's not just that.

Be nice guys
This is called local environmental pollution which i also hate to death ,buts thats not world climate change.
I hope you realise the difference one day. CO2 control will implement world socialism on a voluntary basis.

what is maxcoin doin by the way  Cheesy,

Please can anybody tell me how much those botnets can grab these days. I want to understand the dimension.


This just goes to show, which my point was, that man can influence climate a lot. Just project this kind of local pollution on a larger scale.

Another example is Fukushima radiation spreading around, even getting to US. Same thing. 100% man made shit. Soil erosion leading to desertification is also man made due to deforestation. Did you know North of Africa of lush green place not long ago. Deforestation destroyed it same as it destroyed many old cultures.

Man has huge impact over nature and global warming is just part of that. Just because there are weather cycles doesn't mean man made pollution via CO2 gas emissions don't have an effect. It can have huge impact.

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all I said was 'climate scam' and look what happened.   Grin  

btw, the temperature has not changed over the last 17 years according to the data used by the IPCC who have also been found to write the summary for policy prior to receiving the climate report.

it's very easy to fall into the trap of believing certain industries are behind 'man made' climate change denial, it seems logical but the scandal runs much deeper than that, there are 10s of thousands of jobs at stake and a whole lot more money to be lost if it's squashed.


Yeah gets even more heated than the fiat money talk, you can lose some friends over that shit  Grin, blasphemy 2.0
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Please can anybody tell me how much those botnets can grab these days. I want to understand the dimension.

yeah I'm kind of curious how long it would take them to kick off their bots after release.
sr. member
Activity: 294
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Temperature on other planets goes up and down too yet there is no Fossil Fuel Burning going on, no SUV's. Explain THAT one. (Hint: It's the Sun)

As far as Algore being a BitCoin fan that doesn't negate all his previous Snake Oil Sales.  I'm sure he's a real nice guy in person and he got all choked up when he watched "The Notebook".

Doesn't matter, he's STILL a scam artist.

Yeah man doesn't impact climate at all. It's all happening naturally and man can't impact shit at all.

Tell that to people using gas masks in Shanghai where they can't breath due to too much smog. Did you know they have warning signs in Shanghai when all car traffic has to stop because air is way too polluted? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52a0035b6bb3f7972cdb2394/the-smog-in-shanghai-right-now-seriously-looks-like-its-the-end-of-the-world.jpg http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-china-pollution-idUSBREA0E0RD20140115

Don't be a fucking tool man. Propaganda cuts both ways you know. Just because one party is right doesn't mean other party is wrong and vice versa.

What are you on about? There is a HUGE difference between creating pollution and CHANGING THE CLIMATE. ughhh

That was clear example nobody can deny of how man can change the climate for the worst. It's not just naturally occurring stuff. Get it jumbo?

liberals are so retarded

I'm a right wing libertarian you twat, just not the brainwashed monkey see monkey do kind without a will of his own that buys into all propaganda BS he hears from Alex Jones and other fat fucks.

a lot of assumptions you made in that post kid. Anyway, im not in the mood to get into an internet pissing contest with you. Think what you want, i dont care

People usually resort to name calling when they can't use reason. You're just like those shallow liberals saying "paul tards", resulting to cheap ad hominem attack. You've basically lost this argument. Now go home and pop a hamburger and a coke and drive that fat ass in your zero polluting SUV.
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What are you on about? There is a HUGE difference between creating pollution and CHANGING THE CLIMATE. ughhh
^This^
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all I said was 'climate scam' and look what happened.   Grin  

btw, the temperature has not changed over the last 17 years according to the data used by the IPCC who have also been found to write the summary for policy prior to receiving the climate report.

it's very easy to fall into the trap of believing certain industries are behind 'man made' climate change denial, it seems logical but the scandal runs much deeper than that, there are 10s of thousands of jobs at stake and a whole lot more money to be lost if it's squashed.
hero member
Activity: 882
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Temperature on other planets goes up and down too yet there is no Fossil Fuel Burning going on, no SUV's. Explain THAT one. (Hint: It's the Sun)

As far as Algore being a BitCoin fan that doesn't negate all his previous Snake Oil Sales.  I'm sure he's a real nice guy in person and he got all choked up when he watched "The Notebook".

Doesn't matter, he's STILL a scam artist.

Yeah man doesn't impact climate at all. It's all happening naturally and man can't impact shit at all.

Tell that to people using gas masks in Shanghai where they can't breath due to too much smog. Did you know they have warning signs in Shanghai when all car traffic has to stop because air is way too polluted? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52a0035b6bb3f7972cdb2394/the-smog-in-shanghai-right-now-seriously-looks-like-its-the-end-of-the-world.jpg http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-china-pollution-idUSBREA0E0RD20140115

Don't be a fucking tool man. Propaganda cuts both ways you know. Just because you're presented with alternative propaganda, doesn't mean it's not just that.

Be nice guys
This is called local environmental pollution which i also hate to death ,buts thats not world climate change.
I hope you realise the difference one day. CO2 control will implement world socialism on a voluntary basis.

what is maxcoin doin by the way  Cheesy,

Please can anybody tell me how much those botnets can grab these days. I want to understand the dimension.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
Temperature on other planets goes up and down too yet there is no Fossil Fuel Burning going on, no SUV's. Explain THAT one. (Hint: It's the Sun)

As far as Algore being a BitCoin fan that doesn't negate all his previous Snake Oil Sales.  I'm sure he's a real nice guy in person and he got all choked up when he watched "The Notebook".

Doesn't matter, he's STILL a scam artist.

Yeah man doesn't impact climate at all. It's all happening naturally and man can't impact shit at all.

Tell that to people using gas masks in Shanghai where they can't breath due to too much smog. Did you know they have warning signs in Shanghai when all car traffic has to stop because air is way too polluted? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52a0035b6bb3f7972cdb2394/the-smog-in-shanghai-right-now-seriously-looks-like-its-the-end-of-the-world.jpg http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-china-pollution-idUSBREA0E0RD20140115

Don't be a fucking tool man. Propaganda cuts both ways you know. Just because one party is right doesn't mean other party is wrong and vice versa.

What are you on about? There is a HUGE difference between creating pollution and CHANGING THE CLIMATE. ughhh

That was clear example nobody can deny of how man can change the climate for the worst. It's not just naturally occurring stuff. Get it jumbo?

liberals are so retarded

I'm a right wing libertarian you twat, just not the brainwashed monkey see monkey do kind without a will of his own that buys into all propaganda BS he hears from Alex Jones and other fat fucks.

a lot of assumptions you made in that post kid. Anyway, im not in the mood to get into an internet pissing contest with you. Think what you want, i dont care
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Temperature on other planets goes up and down too yet there is no Fossil Fuel Burning going on, no SUV's. Explain THAT one. (Hint: It's the Sun)

As far as Algore being a BitCoin fan that doesn't negate all his previous Snake Oil Sales.  I'm sure he's a real nice guy in person and he got all choked up when he watched "The Notebook".

Doesn't matter, he's STILL a scam artist.

Yeah man doesn't impact climate at all. It's all happening naturally and man can't impact shit at all.

Tell that to people using gas masks in Shanghai where they can't breath due to too much smog. Did you know they have warning signs in Shanghai when all car traffic has to stop because air is way too polluted? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52a0035b6bb3f7972cdb2394/the-smog-in-shanghai-right-now-seriously-looks-like-its-the-end-of-the-world.jpg http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-china-pollution-idUSBREA0E0RD20140115

Don't be a fucking tool man. Propaganda cuts both ways you know. Just because one party is right doesn't mean other party is wrong and vice versa.

What are you on about? There is a HUGE difference between creating pollution and CHANGING THE CLIMATE. ughhh

That was clear example nobody can deny of how man can change the climate for the worst. It's not just naturally occurring stuff. Get it jumbo?

liberals are so retarded

I'm a right wing libertarian you twat, just not the brainwashed monkey see monkey do kind without a will of his own that buys into all propaganda BS he hears from Alex Jones and other disgusting fat fucks.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 250
Temperature on other planets goes up and down too yet there is no Fossil Fuel Burning going on, no SUV's. Explain THAT one. (Hint: It's the Sun)

As far as Algore being a BitCoin fan that doesn't negate all his previous Snake Oil Sales.  I'm sure he's a real nice guy in person and he got all choked up when he watched "The Notebook".

Doesn't matter, he's STILL a scam artist.

Yeah man doesn't impact climate at all. It's all happening naturally and man can't impact shit at all.

Tell that to people using gas masks in Shanghai where they can't breath due to too much smog. Did you know they have warning signs in Shanghai when all car traffic has to stop because air is way too polluted? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52a0035b6bb3f7972cdb2394/the-smog-in-shanghai-right-now-seriously-looks-like-its-the-end-of-the-world.jpg http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-china-pollution-idUSBREA0E0RD20140115

Don't be a fucking tool man. Propaganda cuts both ways you know. Just because one party is right doesn't mean other party is wrong and vice versa.

What are you on about? There is a HUGE difference between creating pollution and CHANGING THE CLIMATE. ughhh

That was clear example nobody can deny of how man can change the climate for the worst. It's not just naturally occurring stuff. Get it jumbo?

liberals are so retarded
sr. member
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
Temperature on other planets goes up and down too yet there is no Fossil Fuel Burning going on, no SUV's. Explain THAT one. (Hint: It's the Sun)

As far as Algore being a BitCoin fan that doesn't negate all his previous Snake Oil Sales.  I'm sure he's a real nice guy in person and he got all choked up when he watched "The Notebook".

Doesn't matter, he's STILL a scam artist.

Yeah man doesn't impact climate at all. It's all happening naturally and man can't impact shit at all.

Tell that to people using gas masks in Shanghai where they can't breath due to too much smog. Did you know they have warning signs in Shanghai when all car traffic has to stop because air is way too polluted? http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/52a0035b6bb3f7972cdb2394/the-smog-in-shanghai-right-now-seriously-looks-like-its-the-end-of-the-world.jpg http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/15/us-china-pollution-idUSBREA0E0RD20140115

Don't be a fucking tool man. Propaganda cuts both ways you know. Just because one party is right doesn't mean other party is wrong and vice versa.

What are you on about? There is a HUGE difference between creating pollution and CHANGING THE CLIMATE. ughhh

That was clear example nobody can deny of how man can change the climate for the worst. It's not just naturally occurring stuff. Get it jumbo?
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