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legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
The problem with MTR is that the people that believe in the project and product and that actually care are the people that bought un the initial ICO and increased their holdings over a period of 1.5 years at high prices. The recent dunp was a backstab to those loyal supporters. Talk of doing it to help those investors average down is nonsense. Those people would be the ones that believed in higher prices and long term views and would not have expected a premine dump. If the intention was to help the early investors to average down then there had to be a market warning before the dump so that those investors could place their orders.

The only thing that the dump achieved was to destroy MTR's value and to allienate the early investors and the people that cared.

I agree with this entirely. Up until the dump I was able to see logic behind a lot of the moves and some reasons behind delays and ongoing work. No matter how you try to explain it away Mastertrader, that dump was poorly executed and an insult to anyone who had been on board with your vision from the start. You seem somewhat business savvy, however you are missing the simplest concept in all of business: Intention doesn't matter, the perception of the customer/investor is law (especially in a startup scenario).

You fed the trolls who were actually running out of material and that turns new investors away and taints all of Toshidesk. You are building a financial platform, there is no room to abuse the trust of those who have supported you since you started, there is no room for lies, deceit or ANY lack of transparency if you desire to succeed. All of your reasons for dumping have some reason to them, but the method you chose to do it does not.

Did you apologize for it and acknowledge it could have been handled better? Not once. Instead you go on and on about how you've been bearing all the costs and doing all the work and had to recover some funds, and needed to dump the premine to get onto exchanges and get new partners interested. I'm sure that pissing off your base of supporters is really going to entice those investors something fierce and dumping on the market when you had said for so long you wouldn't do that is definitely going to make people trust you.

Now, instead of Toshidesk, you're starting a clothing business... You don't like traditional advertising fine, but this is the most ass-backwards way of generating publicity I've ever heard pitched and I've heard some doozies in my time. If you do start selling, someone else will undercut you and take your business, there is zero chance you'll corner the apparel market and keep it. You can have higher quality shirts and inks all you want, when someone is ordering online they can't directly compare and I can't think of anyone who would be ordering an ETH shirt or hoodie thinking "I sure hope this is the best quality fabric and ink because I want to wear this forever". Free Toshidesk T-shirt with 1 year membership purchase, SURE! Sell those T-Shirts for MTR only? SURE! There are a million ways this T-shirt lead could have been integrated into your existing efforts instead of whatever tangent you decided to take it on.

You have the funds from dumping the premine now, how about you focus on Toshidesk and get it done before all this other jazz? You can claim to be able to multitask all you want, truth of the matter is all this junk is distracting from the real end-game. You needed money? You got it.  

My biggest suspicion is that you're just a startup guy. Meaning you can get things started and deal with the chaos, but when it comes to actually taking things to production or setting them up for long-term success, that just isn't your bag. That's fine, startup vs. ongoing business are pretty different skillsets, but recognize your weaknesses and find someone who isn't as all over the place to make your Toshidesk dream a reality because right now, you're crapping all over it yourself like a pro.

So at this point, I'm torn. I still see potential and you've done a lot of good things, but right now, you've treated me (and your other existing investors/MTR holders) like shit. If you're going to treat people like shit, there'd better be a payoff to make up for it and one hell of a good reason not "I did it because I paid for everything to start and I wanted to and it's all mine so I do what I want when I want to".

I felt like there was a potential to invest much more seriously with you at one point, but I like to sit and watch first. It looks like you have ZERO respect for your investors (here comes the line from Mastertrader:oh, they weren't really investors, just looking to profit, blah blah blah, you set that up buddy, everything was under your control and if people bought and sat on MTR it is because you DIDN'T GIVE THEM ANYWHERE TO SPEND IT). Sorry bud, I was, and continue to be a "real investor" as do all who hold MTR, you just turned out not to be a "real opportunity to invest in".

That's it for me, unless things change drastically even following along this thread is a waste of my time. My investment in MTR was always considered a long-shot write-off fortunately, because I am a savvy investor and you were a significant potential risk (now confirmed). Congratulations, you turned a supported and potential active investor into just what you wanted us to be, people who are just sitting on MTR waiting for a profit and really don't care about the project.

You should consider yourself lucky you don't have any real investors and just sold MTR, because real investors would make you gone REAL fast right now and put someone in place who doesn't keep crapping on their shoes.

Good luck!



Thanks for you're input.

I appreciate the things you've said, and have taken your comments into focus.

Some of what you say I agree with, while some other things not so much.

I'm trying to keep things moving in the space.

ToshiDesk we continue to develop daily, so I don't see your major issue here.

I could see if I wasn't developing ToshiDesk, and posting updates here weekly.

My plan was to do more than ToshiDesk from the jump and import other sources of revenue into the mix.

CryptosCloset will be successful and its success will rain on ToshiDesk and we can only grow.

Yes, starting something and running something are two different skillsets.

Starting it I have done well. Running it I haven't gotten the true chance of yet. Been running it for the last 2 years, keeping development the number 1 priority and fronting the cost of it from the start.

So the fact that I haven't given up must stand for something, and I know I can "run it" when the time comes.

Don't kid yourself.

We are still in BETA, and we are STILL developing.

I'm keeping it moving while trying to build the brand on the side.

I wont just sit here and do nothing, while I'm staring at other opportunities worth pursuing... that can benefit ToshiDesk long term.

Cheers,

MasterTrader777

legendary
Activity: 1274
Merit: 1000
inyereye - yet another devoted scammer supporter got the short end of the stick. I wonder when you, idiots will read all my posts since beginning to find how stupid you were.


I see you're still up to your old tricks...  I.e. being a worthless idiot.  Enjoying holding my massive 8-bit dump?

 Grin
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
Hello Community,

Still making things happen.

Site is looking better and better by the day!

www.CryptosCloset.com

Orders are coming in too!

https://twitter.com/CryptosCloset

Made a few sales already, and a few shirts have been sent out already.

Keeping things moving with ToshiDesk development too.

More updates soon,

MasterTrader777
member
Activity: 115
Merit: 10
inyereye - yet another devoted scammer supporter got the short end of the stick. I wonder when you, idiots will read all my posts since beginning to find how stupid you were.


No, 8-bit-waste my frustration is based on poor decision making and wasted opportunities, you are living in some kind of cuckoo dream world where some petty grudge you hold drives you to post nonsense eternally in the hope that someday you will somehow be able to say "I was right" which would give you exactly one thing you could point other people to that you were correct about and maybe get you some cred (were it to ever happen).

Sorry, I forgot I took you off ignore just to see if you had evolved something meaningful or insightful based on the real world to say, that was a mistake, you are doomed to not only be a perma-troll, but a really, really bad troll that anyone can easily identify and ignore.

I look forward to you going back to the same post every time: This user is currently ignored Cheesy

legendary
Activity: 1036
Merit: 1000
8b 16b DEMOSCENE FTW
inyereye - yet another devoted scammer supporter got the short end of the stick. I wonder when you, idiots will read all my posts since beginning to find how stupid you were.
member
Activity: 115
Merit: 10
The problem with MTR is that the people that believe in the project and product and that actually care are the people that bought un the initial ICO and increased their holdings over a period of 1.5 years at high prices. The recent dunp was a backstab to those loyal supporters. Talk of doing it to help those investors average down is nonsense. Those people would be the ones that believed in higher prices and long term views and would not have expected a premine dump. If the intention was to help the early investors to average down then there had to be a market warning before the dump so that those investors could place their orders.

The only thing that the dump achieved was to destroy MTR's value and to allienate the early investors and the people that cared.

I agree with this entirely. Up until the dump I was able to see logic behind a lot of the moves and some reasons behind delays and ongoing work. No matter how you try to explain it away Mastertrader, that dump was poorly executed and an insult to anyone who had been on board with your vision from the start. You seem somewhat business savvy, however you are missing the simplest concept in all of business: Intention doesn't matter, the perception of the customer/investor is law (especially in a startup scenario).

You fed the trolls who were actually running out of material and that turns new investors away and taints all of Toshidesk. You are building a financial platform, there is no room to abuse the trust of those who have supported you since you started, there is no room for lies, deceit or ANY lack of transparency if you desire to succeed. All of your reasons for dumping have some reason to them, but the method you chose to do it does not.

Did you apologize for it and acknowledge it could have been handled better? Not once. Instead you go on and on about how you've been bearing all the costs and doing all the work and had to recover some funds, and needed to dump the premine to get onto exchanges and get new partners interested. I'm sure that pissing off your base of supporters is really going to entice those investors something fierce and dumping on the market when you had said for so long you wouldn't do that is definitely going to make people trust you.

Now, instead of Toshidesk, you're starting a clothing business... You don't like traditional advertising fine, but this is the most ass-backwards way of generating publicity I've ever heard pitched and I've heard some doozies in my time. If you do start selling, someone else will undercut you and take your business, there is zero chance you'll corner the apparel market and keep it. You can have higher quality shirts and inks all you want, when someone is ordering online they can't directly compare and I can't think of anyone who would be ordering an ETH shirt or hoodie thinking "I sure hope this is the best quality fabric and ink because I want to wear this forever". Free Toshidesk T-shirt with 1 year membership purchase, SURE! Sell those T-Shirts for MTR only? SURE! There are a million ways this T-shirt lead could have been integrated into your existing efforts instead of whatever tangent you decided to take it on.

You have the funds from dumping the premine now, how about you focus on Toshidesk and get it done before all this other jazz? You can claim to be able to multitask all you want, truth of the matter is all this junk is distracting from the real end-game. You needed money? You got it. 

My biggest suspicion is that you're just a startup guy. Meaning you can get things started and deal with the chaos, but when it comes to actually taking things to production or setting them up for long-term success, that just isn't your bag. That's fine, startup vs. ongoing business are pretty different skillsets, but recognize your weaknesses and find someone who isn't as all over the place to make your Toshidesk dream a reality because right now, you're crapping all over it yourself like a pro.

So at this point, I'm torn. I still see potential and you've done a lot of good things, but right now, you've treated me (and your other existing investors/MTR holders) like shit. If you're going to treat people like shit, there'd better be a payoff to make up for it and one hell of a good reason not "I did it because I paid for everything to start and I wanted to and it's all mine so I do what I want when I want to".

I felt like there was a potential to invest much more seriously with you at one point, but I like to sit and watch first. It looks like you have ZERO respect for your investors (here comes the line from Mastertrader:oh, they weren't really investors, just looking to profit, blah blah blah, you set that up buddy, everything was under your control and if people bought and sat on MTR it is because you DIDN'T GIVE THEM ANYWHERE TO SPEND IT). Sorry bud, I was, and continue to be a "real investor" as do all who hold MTR, you just turned out not to be a "real opportunity to invest in".

That's it for me, unless things change drastically even following along this thread is a waste of my time. My investment in MTR was always considered a long-shot write-off fortunately, because I am a savvy investor and you were a significant potential risk (now confirmed). Congratulations, you turned a supported and potential active investor into just what you wanted us to be, people who are just sitting on MTR waiting for a profit and really don't care about the project.

You should consider yourself lucky you don't have any real investors and just sold MTR, because real investors would make you gone REAL fast right now and put someone in place who doesn't keep crapping on their shoes.

Good luck!




newbie
Activity: 29
Merit: 0
Best thing to do is ask bittrex to dislist MTR and forget it  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1638
Merit: 1013
The problem with MTR is that the people that believe in the project and product and that actually care are the people that bought un the initial ICO and increased their holdings over a period of 1.5 years at high prices. The recent dunp was a backstab to those loyal supporters. Talk of doing it to help those investors average down is nonsense. Those people would be the ones that believed in higher prices and long term views and would not have expected a premine dump. If the intention was to help the early investors to average down then there had to be a market warning before the dump so that those investors could place their orders.

The only thing that the dump achieved was to destroy MTR's value and to allienate the early investors and the people that cared.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 260
--- ChainWorks Industries ---
Cool ideas from scammer supporters. Made sense a month ago. Now you can take it and shove it.

Our gambler ruined MTR market and bought ETH on all-time-high. So all his profit from runing MTR is gone. Oh wait, he has PSD files with T-shirts design.

scammer supporters? ...

to hell with all that  garbage that you keep frothing from that mostly incoherent mouth of yours mate ...

dare call me a scammer! ...

especially when ive been more than civil to you and your ilk ... even considering you a half reasonable person ...

how wrong was i? ...

dont dare accuse me of anything wrong - especially if there is NO backup to your disgusting accusations - AND - there is nothing that i have done to deserve such low moral judgements ...

i have done nothing but help and converse and make it known that if i can help - i will ...

scammer supporters? ... damn! ...

what sort of scum spews that sort of rubbish about me? ...

ill no longer get into any form of discussion with you - as i was completely wrong about you ... i actually considered you an intelligent man that had a bone to pick with rich ...

but no - you too are carried away on the wave of filth that comes into threads as a disease and rots away at the fabric of society in general ...

im disappointed in you 8bit - very very ... and ill no longer consider any form of discussion with you again ...

#crysx
legendary
Activity: 1036
Merit: 1000
8b 16b DEMOSCENE FTW
Cool ideas from scammer supporters. Made sense a month ago. Now you can take it and shove it.

Our gambler ruined MTR market and bought ETH on all-time-high. So all his profit from runing MTR is gone. Oh wait, he has PSD files with T-shirts design.
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1000
I suggest a multi sig account the community has guidance over. Given to a trusted 3rd party for holding. Like OgNasty.
sr. member
Activity: 364
Merit: 260
--- ChainWorks Industries ---
the premine has been a major burden for most ... and the crux of a lot of issues ...

i have a suggestion ...

why dont we put in a chunk of the premine into the seednodes ...

the seednodes dont get touched - and they simply sit and stake ...

yes - they are locked down by me - they become my property when they are donated to the nodes - but the seednodes will continue to function for as long as the vps systems are functional - and i dont spend ( i NEVER dump - let alone spend ) any of the funds i have in my portfolio of coins ... and there are quite a few now ...

im not saying the majority of the premine - im just suggesting a large enough amount that will off riches hands - and supporting the network ...

as long as rich and the community are fine with that ...

there is no obligation to do this - as the coins move from the property of rich / mtr - and become the property of chrysophylax / digital dzyne ( the now umbrella for the projects we have - a new thread and website being built currently ) ...

#crysx
full member
Activity: 219
Merit: 100
well mastertrader has a lot of premine to burn still he got more than anyone,think he or she only burned about half of it


make a shirt " i got burned by mtr and toshidesk and mastertrader"
I'll pay double... will you take chump change ,maybe like MTR?
newbie
Activity: 29
Merit: 0
I offer the shirts 10 dollar cheaper pm me i have a own press to to that  Smiley

This week is the last for mtr iam gonna sink the boat . Make a lot profit with btc iam spending 2 btc to sink mtr starting now  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
Hello Community,

Just stopping by to let you know I'm still grinding.

CryptosCloset Website is coming along.

If you want to go ahead and check out the www.CryptosCloset.com website feel free.

Please be advised that I'm still working on it with my web developer Rick.

Here is his website - www.billarga.com

Anyway, that should be ready to begin accepted sales pretty soon, so stay tuned.

Here are a few shots of the shirts I just picked up from the design studio today.

https://twitter.com/CryptosCloset/status/743548084433600512

https://twitter.com/CryptosCloset/status/743548779605917696

https://twitter.com/CryptosCloset/status/743549470965653504

https://twitter.com/CryptosCloset/status/743549927494672384

https://twitter.com/CryptosCloset/status/743550127504244737

https://twitter.com/CryptosCloset/status/743550313429340160

https://twitter.com/CryptosCloset/status/743551100448563200

These are just 7 picks out of what I've already made as samples of my work.

My goal is to have the biggest online selection / inventory of Crypto Apparel in the industry.

The competition is pretty weak, so I can and will achieve this within the next 2-3 months.

How am I going to do that you ask.

Very easy!

Run a smart business and NOT buy a bunch of t-shirts and take on inventory that's not sold yet.

Instead, make a digital inventory of EPS/Stock Photo files, and upload those to the site as item options to buyers.

Offer Crypto Currency Shirts for any and every crypto currency I can think of, and then hit the forum thread/communities of those currencies and promote from within.

This is why I do what I do.

Its a thrill.

Just like the ETH price!

Just like this amazing looking shirts/polos/tanktops!

MTR will survive!!!





















Cheers,

MasterTrader777
 
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
i thought pre mine is locked up 10 mill worth multi sigs and all least, that what OP says:?
i dont understand we should all sell MTR for ETH and buy t shirts? and that helps us all?



It was locked up for almost 2 years.

I sold MTR right before BTC began to rise.

Made the first move before other devs did the same thing.

I bought ETH and now its sitting at 18USD up from 8-13USD area I bought in at. (now 19USD)



Instead of the premine this sitting there gathering dust, and crowdsales not panning out with any interest, I decided to help everyone get better cost averages on their MTR positions...get more people in the markets, and get more people supporting the network and staking.

My job isn't to help you all make money. Don't get confused, its my job to continue to developing ToshiDesk, and continue to bring in outside sources of revenue to keep this boat afloat.

Yes one way is making www.CryptosCloset.com a valuable asset, and part of the MTR Network of Revenue.

I'm not "buying t-shirts"...I have floating inventory option where I don't  have to buy until a customer buys.

I have some decent margins and am able to pull profits out to help MTR and ToshiDesk in a number of ways.

I think you are just trolling, and/or being short sighted, but I still am going to spend time writing this out clear as day.

I can tell by your post history, I'm prob just wasting my time with you...but all in all, its ok. Keep it coming.

Profit will turn in to the ability to make random small buys on the day to day.

The more shirts I sell the more people are going to know about ToshiDesk and MTR when they make their order on the website showing ToshiDesk and MTR adverts, and then again marketed to in the mail when they receive their package with Pamphlet explaining MTR and ToshiDesk.

Take care.

Cheers,

MasterTrader777
 

Will MTR be a payment option?

I think the best thing for MTR is to have use case which hopefully will be Toshidesk once completed.

I like your ideas and drive but more/new projects is pulling resources away from Toshidesk.

Are we going to see a full release soon. Awhile back you said six weeks. We are nearing that, maybe some good or can bring the product home.

MTR will certainly be accepted.

Thanks for asking!

I'm looking to increase awareness.

It's not going to advertise and promote itself.

The traditional ways of paying for articles and all that other junk is boring.

I'm tired of doing things the way every else does them.

Wasting money for other people to do a job I think I can do better is just stupid.

When I'm sending up 20-30 shirts minimum a week, and I have the user customer base in my pocket...everyone else will be paying me to advertise with pamphlets / literature / paper wallets ( with free coins ) / etc .

I will insert whatever someone wants me into the shipping box before I ship the shirt.

Bam....

How will I allow this to happen?

Well accepting MTR from them to me for inserting their content into my customers shipping box with the shirt/polo/tanktop/ etc.

If they want me to even design the literature, I will do that too.

For what?

Yup, thats right... MTR.

Trust me Crazywack, you're riding with a hustler.

Stick with me.

Cheers,

MasterTrader777
legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1000
i thought pre mine is locked up 10 mill worth multi sigs and all least, that what OP says:?
i dont understand we should all sell MTR for ETH and buy t shirts? and that helps us all?



It was locked up for almost 2 years.

I sold MTR right before BTC began to rise.

Made the first move before other devs did the same thing.

I bought ETH and now its sitting at 18USD up from 8-13USD area I bought in at. (now 19USD)



Instead of the premine this sitting there gathering dust, and crowdsales not panning out with any interest, I decided to help everyone get better cost averages on their MTR positions...get more people in the markets, and get more people supporting the network and staking.

My job isn't to help you all make money. Don't get confused, its my job to continue to developing ToshiDesk, and continue to bring in outside sources of revenue to keep this boat afloat.

Yes one way is making www.CryptosCloset.com a valuable asset, and part of the MTR Network of Revenue.

I'm not "buying t-shirts"...I have floating inventory option where I don't  have to buy until a customer buys.

I have some decent margins and am able to pull profits out to help MTR and ToshiDesk in a number of ways.

I think you are just trolling, and/or being short sighted, but I still am going to spend time writing this out clear as day.

I can tell by your post history, I'm prob just wasting my time with you...but all in all, its ok. Keep it coming.

Profit will turn in to the ability to make random small buys on the day to day.

The more shirts I sell the more people are going to know about ToshiDesk and MTR when they make their order on the website showing ToshiDesk and MTR adverts, and then again marketed to in the mail when they receive their package with Pamphlet explaining MTR and ToshiDesk.

Take care.

Cheers,

MasterTrader777
 

Will MTR be a payment option?

I think the best thing for MTR is to have use case which hopefully will be Toshidesk once completed.

I like your ideas and drive but more/new projects is pulling resources away from Toshidesk.

Are we going to see a full release soon. Awhile back you said six weeks. We are nearing that, maybe some good or can bring the product home.
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
i thought pre mine is locked up 10 mill worth multi sigs and all least, that what OP says:?
i dont understand we should all sell MTR for ETH and buy t shirts? and that helps us all?



It was locked up for almost 2 years.

I sold MTR right before BTC began to rise.

Made the first move before other devs did the same thing.

I bought ETH and now its sitting at 18USD up from 8-13USD area I bought in at. (now 19USD)



Instead of the premine this sitting there gathering dust, and crowdsales not panning out with any interest, I decided to help everyone get better cost averages on their MTR positions...get more people in the markets, and get more people supporting the network and staking.

My job isn't to help you all make money. Don't get confused, its my job to continue to developing ToshiDesk, and continue to bring in outside sources of revenue to keep this boat afloat.

Yes one way is making www.CryptosCloset.com a valuable asset, and part of the MTR Network of Revenue.

I'm not "buying t-shirts"...I have floating inventory option where I don't  have to buy until a customer buys.

I have some decent margins and am able to pull profits out to help MTR and ToshiDesk in a number of ways.

I think you are just trolling, and/or being short sighted, but I still am going to spend time writing this out clear as day.

I can tell by your post history, I'm prob just wasting my time with you...but all in all, its ok. Keep it coming.

Profit will turn in to the ability to make random small buys on the day to day.

The more shirts I sell the more people are going to know about ToshiDesk and MTR when they make their order on the website showing ToshiDesk and MTR adverts, and then again marketed to in the mail when they receive their package with Pamphlet explaining MTR and ToshiDesk.

Take care.

Cheers,

MasterTrader777
 
full member
Activity: 219
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i thought pre mine is locked up 10 mill worth multi sigs and all least, that what OP says:?
i dont understand we should all sell MTR for ETH and buy t shirts? and that helps us all?

legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
Well the East Coast "used car salesman" has screwed everyone in the community and made it look like "helping them."

Another 1,000,000 coin dump ... at least we got the courtesy of the warning before the ass-raping.


Right now MTR is vapor that has only enriched those who have sold it to the bag holders.


MTR IS NOT Toshidesk --- I feel for the people who don't fully realize that.


Alright, sorry liquidating the premine after 2 years since conception is in your eyes screwing the community.

I needed to recoup some of the development cost and overhead paid for out of my pocket.

I'm still upholding my agreement to develop ToshiDesk, and don't you dare say otherwise.

This back and forth banter is what I would rather avoid George.

I'm open, honest, and straight to the point, and have been for my entire life.

You're investment in MTR was your choice, and I'm sorry it wasn't a get rich quick investment for you.

I can say the same for me and my team.

We have put thousands of hours into this, and are continuing to do so without any profit on the table.

So please, think about the team behind this project, before you rant about how liquidation of the premine is taking place 2 years after conception.

If I remember correctly you dumped your MTR in the 3-5K range, so may I ask why you continue to make the remarks you're making?

Enough of this George, please grow up. I expect more from you than this.

You won't kill my drive.

Regards,

MasterTrader777
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