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legendary
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Merit: 1000
Thanks for all the responses.

It appears that making a whole "hive" of say 10 wallets won't produce any more coins than lets say 1 or two?



"If its more coins, you are better off resetting network weight on certain batches of coins inside one wallet every week."

I would like to understand the above and why?



My reason for attempting to make a Hive of staking wallets was the assumption it would give a slightly better return (more of an even staking)
From the dialog I assume that that assumption was wrong.


I also wanted to attach an extra 1.8" SSD to one of the office repair PC's that run 24/7
Don't really want to spend money on a Pi ...




Hey George,

Here is the rundown….

Proof-of-Stake (PoS) is an alternative to PoW first introduced in Peercoin. The resource used by PoS is “coin age”: currency amount times holding period. Similar to energy, coin age as a resource is expensive to amass in huge quantity. For an attacker to accumulate enough coin age to attack the distributed network, he either has to buy on open market a large amount of the very currency he’s trying to attack, driving up its price during the process and diminishing his economic incentive, or hold coins for a very long time, reducing the frequency of his own attacks. One useful feature of PoS is the significant saving in energy consumption. Another main feature is the better alignment of incentives between miners and stakeholders because miners are now the stakeholders.

The entire PoS network depends on coin age as the scarce resource. Coin age can only be earned by holding coins. To earn coin age at a higher rate than others, one must hold more coins. Coin age is consumed when a coin is spent in a transaction. PoS mining requires a user to repeatedly send coins to herself, thus consuming his reserve of coin age in exchange for probabilistic winning a PoS block reward without reducing the size of the holding. Coins spent in transactions facing other users also have their coin age reset to zero but this consumption of coin age is outside the scope of PoS mining, unqualified for block rewards and is considered a “waste” by most PoS stakeholders.

It now becomes clear that PoS has been designed to encourage hoarding and discourage spending. Some PoS coins, such as Peercoin, openly declare their philosophy to “function more as a long-term store of value than medium of exchange.” In this sense, PoS coins are created to be collectibles rather than currencies. Scarcity is a necessary but insufficient condition for collectibles to have value. Collectibles must also offer some form of utility such as aesthetics and historic significance. Considering the fact that anyone can access and mod- ify the source code of PoS coins and potentially offer an improved version, in theory there is infinite supply. The scarcity condition doesn’t hold. It remains an unsolved puzzle where PoS coins marketed as collectibles derive their value from.

PoS transforms all stakeholders into miners. All they need to do to collect interest rate is to leave their wallets running and connected to the PoS network and participate in the confirmation of transactions. Wallets which stay online for extended periods of time are called full nodes. Staying online seems to be a rather simple requirement. So it comes as quite a surprise that PoS coins tend to suffer from insufficient number of full nodes. This seeming paradox can be explained by two reasons.

First, coin age equals number of coins times holding period. It doesn’t matter whether a wallet is connected to the PoS network during the holding period. An offline wallet accumulates coin age at the same rate as an online one. The only difference is that an always-online wallet receives block rewards in a fashion that’s more evenly spread out over time while an occasionally-online wallet receives block rewards in a few concentrated clusters. This difference alone is insufficient to encourage most stakeholders to stay online.

Second, it’s commonly perceived by average PoS stakeholders that running wallets and staying connected for long periods of time significantly increases security risk. This was a particularly grave concern when early versions of PoS wallets didn’t support wallet passphrase during mining. Since then there has been workaround to reduce the security risk.

By considering the two reasons above, an average PoS stakeholder tend to make the rational decision of connecting to PoS network only sporadically. The lack of sufficient number of full nodes can result in higher risk of security breach on PoS networks.

Like Jc12345 said, POS is somewhat like an art. Each person has their own way of staking.
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Riddle me this Batman that I'm a bit confused here and on the verge of a hysterics attack: How is it possible that this idiot would hope to sell a single unit of this crap at 120k sat when there's a grand total of 2.482BTC on the bid, ALL of it ranging from a top of 60k (HALF the pretended price) to a bottom of 10 satoshis? Ain't life just a hoot? Wow...

Now, watch for a magic "investor" appearing with a handful of BTC paying those 120k on pre-order... in case the offer sells off...

Now, when people REALLY want to be scammed, shouldn't they just be?

You make quite a point Riddler, quite a point...

So no one is allowed to day trade anymore? Geesh!!

Shrill Alert: I would rather be in MTR then BTC anyways. But im not made of money so I trade with the goal of accumulation.
legendary
Activity: 1638
Merit: 1013
Thanks for all the responses.

It appears that making a whole "hive" of say 10 wallets won't produce any more coins than lets say 1 or two?



"If its more coins, you are better off resetting network weight on certain batches of coins inside one wallet every week."

I would like to understand the above and why?



My reason for attempting to make a Hive of staking wallets was the assumption it would give a slightly better return (more of an even staking)
From the dialog I assume that that assumption was wrong.


I also wanted to attach an extra 1.8" SSD to one of the office repair PC's that run 24/7
Don't really want to spend money on a Pi ...



You can attach the SSD to the PC an then specify with -datadir that the data directory is on the SSD. This will work. POS seems to be an art and you will get different responses on different methods from different people.
full member
Activity: 145
Merit: 100
Thanks for all the responses.

It appears that making a whole "hive" of say 10 wallets won't produce any more coins than lets say 1 or two?



"If its more coins, you are better off resetting network weight on certain batches of coins inside one wallet every week."

I would like to understand the above and why?



My reason for attempting to make a Hive of staking wallets was the assumption it would give a slightly better return (more of an even staking)
From the dialog I assume that that assumption was wrong.


I also wanted to attach an extra 1.8" SSD to one of the office repair PC's that run 24/7
Don't really want to spend money on a Pi ...

legendary
Activity: 1638
Merit: 1013
Riddle me this Batman that I'm a bit confused here and on the verge of a hysterics attack: How is it possible that this idiot would hope to sell a single unit of this crap at 120k sat when there's a grand total of 2.482BTC on the bid, ALL of it ranging from a top of 60k (HALF the pretended price) to a bottom of 10 satoshis? Ain't life just a hoot? Wow...

Now, watch for a magic "investor" appearing with a handful of BTC paying those 120k on pre-order... in case the offer sells off...

Now, when people REALLY want to be scammed, shouldn't they just be?

You make quite a point Riddler, quite a point...

barabbas, it seems that you are carrying on with your attempts to sabotage this project that shows promise, by spreading, fud, baseless accusations which if unproven are lies. This is crypto and there is always risk and by the mere fact of participating in crypto one knows the risk one is taking. The devs for this project have delivered much more so far than most other projects which reduces the risk. Lets look at this based on the facts at hand:

Your argument seems to be around the 400k coins at 120k sats to raise ~500BTC. You keep referring to the stupid (moronic) action from the dev to do this as he will never get it. You also say that the dev is manipulating the price as well as that he is doing this project only to get access to actionable trading information.

I have attached a screenshot right at the bottom which you keep overlooking which is very clearly posted on the OP, indicating that the number of coins and price was a community decision and not that of the dev. Based on the poll, the community voted for 400k @ 120k sats. Personally I voted for 100k @ 75k as that is more realistic imo. However, as shown by the poll outcome the option of 400k @ 120k sats won by far. I accept the outcome and therefore support the community in this regard. As a matter of principle I would be upset if the dev gets a mandate from the community and then do something different. This evidence clearly renders any of your claims, accusations and references to the number of coins and price thereof, the devs involvement in the choice and anything else related to it as baseless and unsubstantiated. Just the mere fact that you base your whole argument on the number of coins and price without reference to the poll and the mandate by the community makes your whole case fall flat. Unless you can prove that the dev acted on his own with the placement with its current specs your argument does not hold water.

The dev mentioned that he bought coins on the market. He did not say that he is manipulating the price. It can also be one of the other 30 voters that are buying selling coins that would like to see the placement succeed or even just a price increase based on normal trading. Unless you can provide confidential trading records from Bittrex that indicates ALL trades at the current levels are from the devs account, your accusations are just speculation.

I expect you to provide evidence that the poll did not happen, the confidential trading records as well as evidence that the dev is doing this only to get access to actionable trading information because without it, your accusations are baseless, lies, fud and typical of that of a troll that is trying to wreck a project that shows promise and the way you state your case just plan rude and inappropriate. You are so confident with your accusations that you keep returning and posting them again and again which seems to indicate that you have the evidence at hand. You have already caused damage in that you probably scared away investors for the current placement. I will be reporting my own post to the moderators and that I have requested this evidence from you. If you can provide the evidence then I will apologise and follow your warnings. If you cannot provide the evidence, I would request the moderators to take action against you as a fudder, lier, troll and saboteur if they agree with me. If you cannot provide evidence to support your claim them stay away from this thread.

I am so far satisfied with the way that the dev team has handled things with MTR and ToshiDesk and it seems much more professional and refreshing than most other offerings in the alt-coin market.

Screenshot from OP for your reference and convenience:

legendary
Activity: 1162
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Riddle me this Batman that I'm a bit confused here and on the verge of a hysterics attack: How is it possible that this idiot would hope to sell a single unit of this crap at 120k sat when there's a grand total of 2.482BTC on the bid, ALL of it ranging from a top of 60k (HALF the pretended price) to a bottom of 10 satoshis? Ain't life just a hoot? Wow...

Now, watch for a magic "investor" appearing with a handful of BTC paying those 120k on pre-order... in case the offer sells off...

Now, when people REALLY want to be scammed, shouldn't they just be?

You make quite a point Riddler, quite a point...
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000



MTR Administration has officially launched the sale of 4% (400k) MTR!!!!!!

400K MTR ICO ENDS IN:



The below BTC address was created exclusively for this escrow.
It is the only address you will be asked to send funds to for the MasterTrader Coin distribution.


MTR ESCROW WALLET ADDRESS

1PbBX15MECYNpdpR6q6fjZb3yJFak6Yqwa

Please double, and triple check that you are sending your BTC to the right address!

Just to make sure - check the wallet address listed in the OP please, before you send your funds!


SET PRICE PER MTR: 0.00120000 BTC

                                                               
HOW TO PARTICIPATE IN 400K MTR SALE:
Send (any amount of) BTC to 1PbBX15MECYNpdpR6q6fjZb3yJFak6Yqwa
Send me a PM with the necessary information (see below example)



                                                               


Example PM that you would send MasterTrader777:

Quote from: Example
I have sent (amount) BTC to purchase MTR in this transaction: https://blockchain.info/tx/ce0d138cca0f03faf602f97a179c2ea75d87ca90069f3da37c28bcdae3dc2a49

My Email Address is: [email protected]
My MTR Address is: yourmtraddressgoeshere
My Social Media Contact is (Not Required): @You or Facebook.com/You


If you struggle with trading and wish to better your trading fundamentals, do yourself a favor and sign up for ToshiDesk today!

www.ToshiDesk.com/beta

Please add us on Twitter and Facebook: @ToshiDesk @MTRDevelopers
FB: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009286773560
FB: https://www.facebook.com/MasterTraderCoin

Cheers,

MasterTrader777

www.ToshiDesk.com/beta
www.MasterTraderCoin.com
[email protected]
legendary
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Snip...

If you decide in the end you want to go the Pi route to save energy, have a look a the link below and let me know if you need any assistance. Which makes me think that the chain has grown a lot and Ill post a new bootstrap.dat file later today.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11261172
legendary
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Price still steady after FUD? lol I like it.

Which is wonderful since the price is artificially held but, at the very  least the idiots won't be able to pretend the inevitable debacle was caused by what they chose, like you, to call FUD. Poetic indeed.
hero member
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sr. member
Activity: 312
Merit: 250
I love this coin and the idea behind it-- thanks Dev's for being so up front and staying on top of MTR
legendary
Activity: 1092
Merit: 1000
When does the next batch go for sale?

Hello Allforone,

You can check the countdown timer on www.ToshiTalk.com

I will get a countdown timer uploaded to the thread in just a bit.

Cheers,

MasterTrader777
Quote from: mastertrader777

SNIP ---
I still have resources available to me that I can use to keep the project going without skipping a beat.
 
SNIP --- 
I have put thousands of dollars of my own money into this project, and will continue to do so...as it is my duty to carry ToshiDesk to the top.

SNIP ---
but you can't, and wont stop us. It's that simple. For every bs story you have 1 hour to write up,

I have an update that displays pride, hard work, dedication, perseverance, dignity, and respect that my community deserves from me.

Cheers,

MasterTrader777
 

BRAVO

You can always count on that!

It is consolidation, control, convenience, security, cost, energy reasons.

Plus I want to see if having a "Hive" of 10 Miners keeps a more steady Mining percentage and even out some of the staking spikes up and down.

It can't be that tough.
I have a server running 24/7 that I can access remotely and check on things
OR shouldn't I also be able to open up a local hive at the same time?

Haven't asked that yet either (Can I have the same wallet running on two machines?)

What are the risks of doing so?

You can certainly have a wallet open on more than one PC but I dont think that you can mine to the same wallet simultaneously. What you want to setup with multiple instances is possible, but I don't think you will get any value out of the effort. Just have one wallet and stake with that.

Yeah you aren't going to mine any extra coins using multiple wallets and/or instances. Fill me in on why you're trying to run things that way…and maybe I can better understand what you are trying to achieve. If its more coins, you are better off resetting network weight on certain batches of coins inside one wallet every week.
legendary
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It is consolidation, control, convenience, security, cost, energy reasons.

Plus I want to see if having a "Hive" of 10 Miners keeps a more steady Mining percentage and even out some of the staking spikes up and down.

It can't be that tough.
I have a server running 24/7 that I can access remotely and check on things
OR shouldn't I also be able to open up a local hive at the same time?

Haven't asked that yet either (Can I have the same wallet running on two machines?)

What are the risks of doing so?

You can certainly have a wallet open on more than one PC but I dont think that you can mine to the same wallet simultaneously. What you want to setup with multiple instances is possible, but I don't think you will get any value out of the effort. Just have one wallet and stake with that.
legendary
Activity: 1162
Merit: 1000
Quote from: mastertrader777

SNIP ---
I still have resources available to me that I can use to keep the project going without skipping a beat.
 
SNIP ---  
I have put thousands of dollars of my own money into this project, and will continue to do so...as it is my duty to carry ToshiDesk to the top.

SNIP ---
but you can't, and wont stop us. It's that simple. For every bs story you have 1 hour to write up,

I have an update that displays pride, hard work, dedication, perseverance, dignity, and respect that my community deserves from me.

Cheers,

MasterTrader777
 

BRAVO

Funny indeed that a bunch of derelicts the likes of which has never been seen together since "The Dirty Dozen", would pretend to endorse crap under the guise of "dignity". The only one missing is the supreme commander, Bobsurplus, who is probably missing only temporarily. Wow, wow, wow... and I thought I had seen it all already.
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Activity: 145
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Quote from: mastertrader777

SNIP ---
I still have resources available to me that I can use to keep the project going without skipping a beat.
 
SNIP ---  
I have put thousands of dollars of my own money into this project, and will continue to do so...as it is my duty to carry ToshiDesk to the top.

SNIP ---
but you can't, and wont stop us. It's that simple. For every bs story you have 1 hour to write up,

I have an update that displays pride, hard work, dedication, perseverance, dignity, and respect that my community deserves from me.

Cheers,

MasterTrader777
 

BRAVO
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It is consolidation, control, convenience, security, cost, energy reasons.

Plus I want to see if having a "Hive" of 10 Miners keeps a more steady Mining percentage and even out some of the staking spikes up and down.

It can't be that tough.
I have a server running 24/7 that I can access remotely and check on things
OR shouldn't I also be able to open up a local hive at the same time?

Haven't asked that yet either (Can I have the same wallet running on two machines?)

What are the risks of doing so?


Alright - Back on a track of reason.

I need help making several MTR Wallets on the same PC.

Pretty much I want to have about 7 of them in an external SSD drive. (Yes I have accumulated enough coins to make it worth it.)

I want them all to work and to stake.

I don't really want the main PC to have the MTR Wallet actually installed directly in my AppData folder on C:


So ... isn't there a way to make a batch file in windows to set them all up?
datadir

Make them "listen" ...

I sure could use some help.

I have several server PC's that run 24/7 ... (Except they are Win7 Pro)

I just want to make a "wallet staking cluster" - and NOT have to have my main PC or Video server running 24/7 - (Summer weather etc.)


Isn't it just a CMD batch file in Windows?
Or does it involve special commands in the MTR wallet?

I have some skill in very specific areas of windows but have to learn everything from scratch on new areas ... so I figured to ask for help before I start the effort.

Thanks in Advance !




What you are attempting is a bit on the complex side. It depends on what your objective is if it is worth the effort. Is it for security reasons? Is it for energy saving reasons? If it is for engergy, I would recommend setting up a Raspberry Pi and run your wallet there 24/7 at 5W of electricity.

If you want to run different wallets on one PC, then you have to create separate directories on your PC "somewhere" of your liking. You then create desktop icons for each instance eg MTR1, MTR2 etc. in the path you specify the mastertrader.exe and add -datadir=pathtoyourdatadir. You can then fire up each instance and it will co-exist. I would recommend putting a bootstrap.dat into each directory where your wallet.dat files are. There is a bootstrap.dat that I made at around 50k+ in the thread but I can update that to current 110k.
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I'm about to empty out my piggy bank for some mtr. I see 120k worth it in my opinion.
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Alright - Back on a track of reason.

I need help making several MTR Wallets on the same PC.

Pretty much I want to have about 7 of them in an external SSD drive. (Yes I have accumulated enough coins to make it worth it.)

I want them all to work and to stake.

I don't really want the main PC to have the MTR Wallet actually installed directly in my AppData folder on C:


So ... isn't there a way to make a batch file in windows to set them all up?
datadir

Make them "listen" ...

I sure could use some help.

I have several server PC's that run 24/7 ... (Except they are Win7 Pro)

I just want to make a "wallet staking cluster" - and NOT have to have my main PC or Video server running 24/7 - (Summer weather etc.)


Isn't it just a CMD batch file in Windows?
Or does it involve special commands in the MTR wallet?

I have some skill in very specific areas of windows but have to learn everything from scratch on new areas ... so I figured to ask for help before I start the effort.

Thanks in Advance !





I would just get a raspberry pi, you can run multiple wallets on them at once.
legendary
Activity: 1638
Merit: 1013
Alright - Back on a track of reason.

I need help making several MTR Wallets on the same PC.

Pretty much I want to have about 7 of them in an external SSD drive. (Yes I have accumulated enough coins to make it worth it.)

I want them all to work and to stake.

I don't really want the main PC to have the MTR Wallet actually installed directly in my AppData folder on C:


So ... isn't there a way to make a batch file in windows to set them all up?
datadir

Make them "listen" ...

I sure could use some help.

I have several server PC's that run 24/7 ... (Except they are Win7 Pro)

I just want to make a "wallet staking cluster" - and NOT have to have my main PC or Video server running 24/7 - (Summer weather etc.)


Isn't it just a CMD batch file in Windows?
Or does it involve special commands in the MTR wallet?

I have some skill in very specific areas of windows but have to learn everything from scratch on new areas ... so I figured to ask for help before I start the effort.

Thanks in Advance !




What you are attempting is a bit on the complex side. It depends on what your objective is if it is worth the effort. Is it for security reasons? Is it for energy saving reasons? If it is for engergy, I would recommend setting up a Raspberry Pi and run your wallet there 24/7 at 5W of electricity.

If you want to run different wallets on one PC, then you have to create separate directories on your PC "somewhere" of your liking. You then create desktop icons for each instance eg MTR1, MTR2 etc. in the path you specify the mastertrader.exe and add -datadir=pathtoyourdatadir. You can then fire up each instance and it will co-exist. I would recommend putting a bootstrap.dat into each directory where your wallet.dat files are. There is a bootstrap.dat that I made at around 50k+ in the thread but I can update that to current 110k.
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