WOW man amazing!
Thanks for all the great research.
Can people grab screen grabs. I cant at the moment
Here is a picture of him on his facebook
http://www.hs.facebook.com/gorkalitus?sk=photos
Topic: {ANNOUNCEMENT} WBX Exchange Frozen - page 18. (Read 45349 times)
I dig some digging around ...
ASIC Gazette advising of company deregistration: http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/pdflib.nsf/LookupByFileName/A081_11.pdf/$file/A081_11.pdf
Social Media:
Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gorkalitus
FB: https://www.hs.facebook.com/gorkalitus
Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/gorkalitus
Google: https://plus.google.com/118402445473214777477/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/gorkalitus
Wordpress: http://gorkalitus.wordpress.com/
His common nickname, gorkalitus, used to have a website (also listed on his LinkedIn profile), gorkalitus.com. It's no longer there, but here's an old snapshot: http://web.archive.org/web/20110203093148/http://www.gorkalitus.com/
It also still has an FB page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Gorkalitus/313640667659
He has a Yahoo Questions account (http://answers.yahoo.com/activity?show=V8DvbOgFaa), in which he has asked questions about his daughter being injured at day care and what to do about not being able to pay the mortgage on his house in Victoria!! (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AslIquUYUaC9sWZEU0pHK_nsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20110522042232AA5bkZu)
There is a photo here (https://www.hs.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=106283996057507&set=a.103987846287122.7771.100000277203901&type=3&theater) on FB of a website mock up with an address matching the previously registered company address.
He made a tweet (https://twitter.com/#!/gorkalitus/status/85342350313918464) about a fan page for a Kiwi Food online store. (It links here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kiwi-Shack/115106271912363#.TgiI0Tx5Abg.twitter). It appears to be run by Andre's wife (https://www.hs.facebook.com/marieannyork?sk=info) at an address: Eagleby, Eagleby, QLD 4207. Phone number: (07)38076011. His wife also appears to work at Makarni Colour Studio, 16 Main St Beenleigh, which is close by Eagleby and has the same phone number as listed the Kiwi Store (https://www.hs.facebook.com/MakarniColourStudio).
This research is getting addictive ...
ASIC Gazette advising of company deregistration: http://www.asic.gov.au/asic/pdflib.nsf/LookupByFileName/A081_11.pdf/$file/A081_11.pdf
Social Media:
Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/gorkalitus
FB: https://www.hs.facebook.com/gorkalitus
Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/gorkalitus
Google: https://plus.google.com/118402445473214777477/
YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/gorkalitus
Wordpress: http://gorkalitus.wordpress.com/
His common nickname, gorkalitus, used to have a website (also listed on his LinkedIn profile), gorkalitus.com. It's no longer there, but here's an old snapshot: http://web.archive.org/web/20110203093148/http://www.gorkalitus.com/
It also still has an FB page: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Gorkalitus/313640667659
He has a Yahoo Questions account (http://answers.yahoo.com/activity?show=V8DvbOgFaa), in which he has asked questions about his daughter being injured at day care and what to do about not being able to pay the mortgage on his house in Victoria!! (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AslIquUYUaC9sWZEU0pHK_nsy6IX;_ylv=3?qid=20110522042232AA5bkZu)
There is a photo here (https://www.hs.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=106283996057507&set=a.103987846287122.7771.100000277203901&type=3&theater) on FB of a website mock up with an address matching the previously registered company address.
He made a tweet (https://twitter.com/#!/gorkalitus/status/85342350313918464) about a fan page for a Kiwi Food online store. (It links here: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Kiwi-Shack/115106271912363#.TgiI0Tx5Abg.twitter). It appears to be run by Andre's wife (https://www.hs.facebook.com/marieannyork?sk=info) at an address: Eagleby, Eagleby, QLD 4207. Phone number: (07)38076011. His wife also appears to work at Makarni Colour Studio, 16 Main St Beenleigh, which is close by Eagleby and has the same phone number as listed the Kiwi Store (https://www.hs.facebook.com/MakarniColourStudio).
This research is getting addictive ...
well, even if we dont have his personal details, the bank has 
Does anyone still have his bank account details for his priavte account and received some money from it? If so - could you please post the details here?
Does anyone still have his bank account details for his priavte account and received some money from it? If so - could you please post the details here?
https://creditorwatch.com.au/express/asic/organisation/131700779
For $30, we might be able to get his birth date.
For $30, we might be able to get his birth date.
Contact info
Call: +617 3102-9666
Gold Coast
Hmmm. The phone number is a Brisbane number, not Gold Coast.Call: +617 3102-9666
Gold Coast
Search for "High Net Worth Property" comes up with
http://www.business.com.au/high-net-worth-property-pty-ltd-/
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High Net Worth Property Pty. . Ltd.
20 Fauna Ave, Badger Creek VIC 3777
20 Fauna Ave, Badger Creek VIC 3777
Obviously not updated since the move north, but it could be a start for investigations.
EDIT: Dooglus beat me to it.
For $18, you can get a copy of the last change of registered address form submitted to ASIC. It's from 2009 though, so probably still have the Victorian address, rather than the Gold Coast one.
For $18, you can get a copy of the last change of registered address form submitted to ASIC. It's from 2009 though, so probably still have the Victorian address, rather than the Gold Coast one.
The address was never updated. I looked up the registration when it was still in strike-off status before ASIC deregistered the company. And of course "Gold Coast" is not an address.
The lack of proper contact details and the lack of GST registration is what made me suspicious of the company late last year. They should have had a licence for the activities which Andre claimed the company was engaged in prior to opening WBX. They should also have been turning over more than $70,000 pa for those financial years and therefore registered for GST.
There is absolutely no good reason for Andre not to have provided the name of either an accountant or a lawyer to WBX users by now and there's no guarantee that he' that is still in Queensland or even Australia.
I'd be interested to learn who the other director/s of High Net Worth Property were - I believe this information can be obtained from ASIC for a fee. I don't believe the story as told by Andre. He was aware of the strike-off action and did nothing to stop the company being de-registered which suggests that there were problems long before he claims to have been screwed around by the banks.
I doubt Fair Trading Qld can do a whole lot to recover money with the scant contact details available, but if enough people lodge complaints they may do an investigation or at least advise what other options for redress are available. I'm also not sure how people will go with serving a summons without an address. There don't appear to be any public records for Andre as a sole trader, and although the big guys like the ATO use the last address registered with ASIC when serving legal notices, only the deregistered company seems to have been listed with ASIC and it's Andre the individual people are looking at taking legal action against now - at law, they're separate entities so service could be a problem.
The Qld Fair Trading complaint form is a simple one, so it's probably the best starting point. I'd definitely put the historical information about the company being de-registered by ASIC in the complaint.
Of course, before you can take action against someone, you first have to locate them. Good luck with that.
At the moment, Andre isn't listed on ASIC's banned or disqualified persons register, which leaves him free to register another company. There are certainly a number of things people can do to fuck up his shit if he doesn't start being responsive soon. It might also be worth doing a search of the National Personal Insolvency Index to see whether Andre has recently filed for bankruptcy/had bankruptcy action taken against him.
+1
It's bullshit when people jump on a bitcoin site operator whenever they are getting pushed around by the banks.
The exchange operator gets scammed, and people blame the victim? You have to wonder if the people complaining are the same ones who used the phished bank accounts.
I mean, if I was part of the established banking system, I would use phished bank accounts myself just so that I could reverse the charges later and screw over the exchange, then I would get on here and bad mouth the exchange operator.
The issue at the heart of the matter is the same as its been from the beginning: How do you reconcile non reversible BTC payments with reversible fiat bullshit controlled by TPTB??
SOLUTION: If you start such an exchange, run your bank accounts as dry as possible. Withdraw extra funds and trade a portion of it to gold (pecunix accounts?). Have as many possible accounts under different names and corporations as you can. Don't let the banks know that the different accounts are all yours.
Bottom line is, if you're going to succeed as an exchange that trades with bank deposit money, you're either going to have to completely sell out to their rules, or go to great lengths to fool them.
The exchange operator gets scammed, and people blame the victim? You have to wonder if the people complaining are the same ones who used the phished bank accounts.
I mean, if I was part of the established banking system, I would use phished bank accounts myself just so that I could reverse the charges later and screw over the exchange, then I would get on here and bad mouth the exchange operator.
The issue at the heart of the matter is the same as its been from the beginning: How do you reconcile non reversible BTC payments with reversible fiat bullshit controlled by TPTB??
SOLUTION: If you start such an exchange, run your bank accounts as dry as possible. Withdraw extra funds and trade a portion of it to gold (pecunix accounts?). Have as many possible accounts under different names and corporations as you can. Don't let the banks know that the different accounts are all yours.
Bottom line is, if you're going to succeed as an exchange that trades with bank deposit money, you're either going to have to completely sell out to their rules, or go to great lengths to fool them.
Your post is not particularly useful.
I do not use stolen bank accounts. My funds were not actually being used for trading and were caught between a deposit/withdrawal cycle - nothing to do with non-reversible BTC payments. I am prepared to take the issue further with the Australian authorities because I'm not keen to lose $3k and as it was all clearly AUD denominated it's a simple complaint to spell out WBX was holding my AUD and failed to release it. My transactions record that in a very straight forward manner.
It's bullshit when people jump on a bitcoin site operator whenever they are getting pushed around by the banks.
The exchange operator gets scammed, and people blame the victim? You have to wonder if the people complaining are the same ones who used the phished bank accounts.
I mean, if I was part of the established banking system, I would use phished bank accounts myself just so that I could reverse the charges later and screw over the exchange, then I would get on here and bad mouth the exchange operator.
The issue at the heart of the matter is the same as its been from the beginning: How do you reconcile non reversible BTC payments with reversible fiat bullshit controlled by TPTB??
SOLUTION: If you start such an exchange, run your bank accounts as dry as possible. Withdraw extra funds and trade a portion of it to gold (pecunix accounts?). Have as many possible accounts under different names and corporations as you can. Don't let the banks know that the different accounts are all yours.
Bottom line is, if you're going to succeed as an exchange that trades with bank deposit money, you're either going to have to completely sell out to their rules, or go to great lengths to fool them.
The exchange operator gets scammed, and people blame the victim? You have to wonder if the people complaining are the same ones who used the phished bank accounts.
I mean, if I was part of the established banking system, I would use phished bank accounts myself just so that I could reverse the charges later and screw over the exchange, then I would get on here and bad mouth the exchange operator.
The issue at the heart of the matter is the same as its been from the beginning: How do you reconcile non reversible BTC payments with reversible fiat bullshit controlled by TPTB??
SOLUTION: If you start such an exchange, run your bank accounts as dry as possible. Withdraw extra funds and trade a portion of it to gold (pecunix accounts?). Have as many possible accounts under different names and corporations as you can. Don't let the banks know that the different accounts are all yours.
Bottom line is, if you're going to succeed as an exchange that trades with bank deposit money, you're either going to have to completely sell out to their rules, or go to great lengths to fool them.
NO.
Andre, the "site operator" in light of the scams could have this situation resolved. Instead he has taken and refused to return the hard earned funds of all of his remaining clients. Its been months with little/no contact and what could essentially be misinformation.
It's bullshit when people jump on a bitcoin site operator whenever they are getting pushed around by the banks.
"Getting pushed around by the banks" might explain a lost payment or two or the temporary inability to process payments. It doesn't explain losing client funds.Quote
The exchange operator gets scammed, and people blame the victim?
Nobody blaming the operator for getting scammed, as far as I know. They're blaming the operator for losing client funds. The operator's primary responsibility is to secure client funds so that they don't get scammed. When it comes to client funds, an exchange operator is the security guard. You certainly do blame the guard if the thing he's guarding is stolen.Quote
You have to wonder if the people complaining are the same ones who used the phished bank accounts.
I can't imagine why any rational person would wonder that. When a person makes an argument, I wonder whether the argument is sensible or not. To answer that, I reason out the logic behind it. It really doesn't matter whether the argument is made by a good person or a bad person when you're considering the validity of the argument. Usually such vague accusations with no evidence are used to distract people from a logical argument.Quote
I mean, if I was part of the established banking system, I would use phished bank accounts myself just so that I could reverse the charges later and screw over the exchange, then I would get on here and bad mouth the exchange operator.
Okay, so you're a bad person.Quote
The issue at the heart of the matter is the same as its been from the beginning: How do you reconcile non reversible BTC payments with reversible fiat bullshit controlled by TPTB??
Simple. You pay an exchange a high fee to take that risk for you and you rely on them to have sufficient reserves to protect client funds. That's their job.Quote
SOLUTION: If you start such an exchange, run your bank accounts as dry as possible. Withdraw extra funds and trade a portion of it to gold (pecunix accounts?). Have as many possible accounts under different names and corporations as you can. Don't let the banks know that the different accounts are all yours.
I think that's a very bad strategy for reasons I've detailed elsewhere. Implementing strategies that hinder reporting or obscure connections are good ways to get yourself in trouble very quickly. But you are definitely right that you have to have "hot" and "cold" means of storing cash just as you do coins, so that interruptions in your operational accounts don't affect client funds you hold. It helps to be totally up front with the banks, actually.Quote
Bottom line is, if you're going to succeed as an exchange that trades with bank deposit money, you're either going to have to completely sell out to their rules, or go to great lengths to fool them.
The former is the much more sensible strategy. In any event, the reason you get paid such high fees is because it's hard to protect client funds -- but that's your primary responsibility.
It's bullshit when people jump on a bitcoin site operator whenever they are getting pushed around by the banks.
The exchange operator gets scammed, and people blame the victim? You have to wonder if the people complaining are the same ones who used the phished bank accounts.
I mean, if I was part of the established banking system, I would use phished bank accounts myself just so that I could reverse the charges later and screw over the exchange, then I would get on here and bad mouth the exchange operator.
The issue at the heart of the matter is the same as its been from the beginning: How do you reconcile non reversible BTC payments with reversible fiat bullshit controlled by TPTB??
SOLUTION: If you start such an exchange, run your bank accounts as dry as possible. Withdraw extra funds and trade a portion of it to gold (pecunix accounts?). Have as many possible accounts under different names and corporations as you can. Don't let the banks know that the different accounts are all yours.
Bottom line is, if you're going to succeed as an exchange that trades with bank deposit money, you're either going to have to completely sell out to their rules, or go to great lengths to fool them.
The exchange operator gets scammed, and people blame the victim? You have to wonder if the people complaining are the same ones who used the phished bank accounts.
I mean, if I was part of the established banking system, I would use phished bank accounts myself just so that I could reverse the charges later and screw over the exchange, then I would get on here and bad mouth the exchange operator.
The issue at the heart of the matter is the same as its been from the beginning: How do you reconcile non reversible BTC payments with reversible fiat bullshit controlled by TPTB??
SOLUTION: If you start such an exchange, run your bank accounts as dry as possible. Withdraw extra funds and trade a portion of it to gold (pecunix accounts?). Have as many possible accounts under different names and corporations as you can. Don't let the banks know that the different accounts are all yours.
Bottom line is, if you're going to succeed as an exchange that trades with bank deposit money, you're either going to have to completely sell out to their rules, or go to great lengths to fool them.
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Probably best not to crucify the exchange operator. From the looks of things the site fell victim to scammers that transfered money from phished Australian bank accounts and used that money to buy bitcoins.
Why the fuck not he's the one that started playing ponzi style games with customer deposits trying to cover up his own incompetence?
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Obviously account verification should have been introduced much earlier but that is not infallible as accounts could still be verified with stolen identities.
Still making that the owners responsibility, which atm he seems to be trying to shirk out of.
Probably best not to crucify the exchange operator. From the looks of things the site fell victim to scammers that transfered money from phished Australian bank accounts and used that money to buy bitcoins.
Obviously account verification should have been introduced much earlier but that is not infallible as accounts could still be verified with stolen identities.
While I sympathize with people who have lost money you probably should have seen this coming. He had to change banks accounts several times because of these problems and Mtgox faced the same issues with their technocash account when they stupidly allowed direct bank transfers.
Obviously account verification should have been introduced much earlier but that is not infallible as accounts could still be verified with stolen identities.
While I sympathize with people who have lost money you probably should have seen this coming. He had to change banks accounts several times because of these problems and Mtgox faced the same issues with their technocash account when they stupidly allowed direct bank transfers.
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ABN details
Entity name: HIGH NET WORTH PROPERTY PTY. LTD.
ABN status: Active from 30 Jun 2008
Entity type: Australian Private Company
Goods & Services Tax (GST): Not currently registered for GST
Main business location: VIC 3777
Entity name: HIGH NET WORTH PROPERTY PTY. LTD.
ABN status: Active from 30 Jun 2008
Entity type: Australian Private Company
Goods & Services Tax (GST): Not currently registered for GST
Main business location: VIC 3777
EDIT: Dooglus beat me to it.
For $18, you can get a copy of the last change of registered address form submitted to ASIC. It's from 2009 though, so probably still have the Victorian address, rather than the Gold Coast one.
For $18, you can get a copy of the last change of registered address form submitted to ASIC. It's from 2009 though, so probably still have the Victorian address, rather than the Gold Coast one.
The Australian Securities & Investments Commission's Index of corporate and business names (http://www.search.asic.gov.au/cgi-bin/gns030c?juris=9&hdtext=ACN&srchsrc=1&acn=131700779) says:
... and a bunch of other stuff.
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Registration Date 18/06/2008
Date Deregistered 04/12/2011
Date Deregistered 04/12/2011
... and a bunch of other stuff.
For those filing various cases. I think it'd help if we all posted the info we have for quick reference. From the website:
Contact info
Call: +617 3102-9666
Name: Andre Jensen
High Net Worth Property Pty Ltd
Trading As: World Bitcoin Exchange
ACN: 61 131 700 779
Gold Coast
Queensland
Australia
4208
Unsure:
Personal contact details
Email address
Personal Address
Lawyer contact details
Also, does anyone have the dates that the company was de-registered?
Contact info
Call: +617 3102-9666
Name: Andre Jensen
High Net Worth Property Pty Ltd
Trading As: World Bitcoin Exchange
ACN: 61 131 700 779
Gold Coast
Queensland
Australia
4208
Unsure:
Personal contact details
Email address
Personal Address
Lawyer contact details
Also, does anyone have the dates that the company was de-registered?
Hey everyone, just got whitelisted so I could post my situation. (thanks forum mods)
On the 24th February I deposited $180 cash into the WBX commonwealth account. At the time it did not occur to me to check WBX for any problems. I couldn't believe it when I read the site news the next day and never did I think it would drag on this long.
Andre, what is the point in having a business phone number if you're never going to answer the phone or return calls? Your customer service certainly has room for improvement. It has been too long since you last frequented this thread and posted anything.
We need proof as your legitimacy is questionable for me right now. I want your lawyers contact details asap to confirm this is not some cock and bull story. If i don't see these details by the weekend I will be contacting qld fair trading.
On the 24th February I deposited $180 cash into the WBX commonwealth account. At the time it did not occur to me to check WBX for any problems. I couldn't believe it when I read the site news the next day and never did I think it would drag on this long.
Andre, what is the point in having a business phone number if you're never going to answer the phone or return calls? Your customer service certainly has room for improvement. It has been too long since you last frequented this thread and posted anything.
We need proof as your legitimacy is questionable for me right now. I want your lawyers contact details asap to confirm this is not some cock and bull story. If i don't see these details by the weekend I will be contacting qld fair trading.
I would also like to see some scans (with private info blured out if you want) of some of the the letters from banks and such.
Would you really trust an uploaded image, because I sure as hell wouldn't - it's way too easy to fake documents.
Does anyone actually have a physical address for Andre? Is he even answering phone calls or emails from anyone any more? Has anyone actually lodged a complaint with Qld Fair Trading?
I would also like to see some scans (with private info blured out if you want) of some of the the letters from banks and such.
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