Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 108. (Read 1276789 times)
March 10, 2015, 04:44:02 PM
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March 10, 2015, 03:47:35 PM
Hey, do you guys have an idea how I can send around my XCP which I sent to my Trezor wallet?
I have tons of XCP which are currently *locked*.
I have tons of XCP which are currently *locked*.
Can't you get your private keys out of that Trezor thing?
March 10, 2015, 03:28:29 PM
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March 10, 2015, 01:24:29 PM
But why doesn't your PoC here contain C code: https://ciyam.org/at/at_auction.html
Details, and please, ELI5 if you can't point to code which adequately highlights your LLVM automated transaction concept. LLVM contracts are sorely lacking in details and implementation.
Details, and please, ELI5 if you can't point to code which adequately highlights your LLVM automated transaction concept. LLVM contracts are sorely lacking in details and implementation.
Our use cases are currently written in AT assembly code.
LLVM is what we can deliver but not what we have now (can Ethereum deliver LLVM - answer is no).
How can AT be done with LLVM is simply because it is a virtual CPU (not a VM).
Ethereum has a VM which cannot work with LLVM at all (their strategic mistake I pointed out more than a year ago).
March 10, 2015, 12:31:07 PM
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our approach will allow C/C++ to be implemented as the smart contract language
Interesting specification: https://ciyam.org/at/
But why doesn't your PoC here contain C code: https://ciyam.org/at/at_auction.html
Details, and please, ELI5 if you can't point to code which adequately highlights your LLVM automated transaction concept. LLVM contracts are sorely lacking in details and implementation.
March 10, 2015, 12:17:35 PM
In case you missed it, here's the latest news from the Counterparty team:
Announcing Symbiont – Building the Next-Generation Platform for Financial Markets http://counterparty.io/news/announcing-symbiont/
Announcing Symbiont – Building the Next-Generation Platform for Financial Markets http://counterparty.io/news/announcing-symbiont/
Excellent news, the obligatory reddit post http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yk6o7/counterparty_is_splitting_with_overstock_to_join/
Please also see the formal press release here: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/founders-of-bitcoin-20-project-counterparty-team-up-with-mathmoney-fx-to-make-markets-smarter-300047977.html
Additional press will be forthcoming.
Excellent team. Looks quite promising, actually.
March 10, 2015, 11:44:38 AM
In case you missed it, here's the latest news from the Counterparty team:
Announcing Symbiont – Building the Next-Generation Platform for Financial Markets http://counterparty.io/news/announcing-symbiont/
Announcing Symbiont – Building the Next-Generation Platform for Financial Markets http://counterparty.io/news/announcing-symbiont/
Excellent news, the obligatory reddit post http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yk6o7/counterparty_is_splitting_with_overstock_to_join/
Please also see the formal press release here: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/founders-of-bitcoin-20-project-counterparty-team-up-with-mathmoney-fx-to-make-markets-smarter-300047977.html
Additional press will be forthcoming.
Nice, looks great so far, can't wait to read more specific details.
March 10, 2015, 11:33:28 AM
In case you missed it, here's the latest news from the Counterparty team:
Announcing Symbiont – Building the Next-Generation Platform for Financial Markets http://counterparty.io/news/announcing-symbiont/
Announcing Symbiont – Building the Next-Generation Platform for Financial Markets http://counterparty.io/news/announcing-symbiont/
Excellent news, the obligatory reddit post http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yk6o7/counterparty_is_splitting_with_overstock_to_join/
Please also see the formal press release here: http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/founders-of-bitcoin-20-project-counterparty-team-up-with-mathmoney-fx-to-make-markets-smarter-300047977.html
Additional press will be forthcoming.
March 10, 2015, 11:06:04 AM
Soon.
where is the source?
Thanks!
March 10, 2015, 10:39:32 AM
In case you missed it, here's the latest news from the Counterparty team:
Announcing Symbiont – Building the Next-Generation Platform for Financial Markets http://counterparty.io/news/announcing-symbiont/
Announcing Symbiont – Building the Next-Generation Platform for Financial Markets http://counterparty.io/news/announcing-symbiont/
Excellent news, the obligatory reddit post http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2yk6o7/counterparty_is_splitting_with_overstock_to_join/
March 10, 2015, 09:46:21 AM
In case you missed it, here's the latest news from the Counterparty team:
Announcing Symbiont – Building the Next-Generation Platform for Financial Markets http://counterparty.io/news/announcing-symbiont/
Announcing Symbiont – Building the Next-Generation Platform for Financial Markets http://counterparty.io/news/announcing-symbiont/
Wow!
So smart contracts are indeed on track!?! Funny it was being questioned yesterday on Reddit.
And the financial platform.. so so so cool! I'm excited to hear more!
Just a question... will XCP be used in such contracts? What will the impact be on XCP price?
March 10, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
In case you missed it, here's the latest news from the Counterparty team:
Announcing Symbiont – Building the Next-Generation Platform for Financial Markets http://counterparty.io/news/announcing-symbiont/
Announcing Symbiont – Building the Next-Generation Platform for Financial Markets http://counterparty.io/news/announcing-symbiont/
March 10, 2015, 07:37:04 AM
Soon.
March 10, 2015, 04:42:50 AM
Claim Your Name @XCP
Lots of assets with girl names, surnames and some boy names have been registered lately. See here http://www.blockscan.com/asset
If your name still isn't claimed, why not register it before someone else does it?
At the moment an asset may not have much value, but who knows about the future? It costs just 0.5 XCP / $0.60 to register a name, and it remains your forever or until you sell it.
Lots of assets with girl names, surnames and some boy names have been registered lately. See here http://www.blockscan.com/asset
If your name still isn't claimed, why not register it before someone else does it?
At the moment an asset may not have much value, but who knows about the future? It costs just 0.5 XCP / $0.60 to register a name, and it remains your forever or until you sell it.
March 09, 2015, 11:12:48 AM
March 09, 2015, 07:49:26 AM
Our compatibility with Ethereum smart contracts is at the virtual machine level, so it doesn't matter what language (Serpent, Solidity, LLL, etc.), you write the contracts in---they'll run on both Counterparty and Ethereum the same. Between the Counterparty and the Ethereum communities, we'll figure out what languages we want to write contracts in and develop those.
Seriously writing HLLs for an entire new VM is something that takes years (so it is not surprising at all to me that Serpent is failing) so I very much doubt you can just create a new HLL and keep going (but please feel free to prove me wrong).
I have actually worked on such a project (around the time that Java was being designed and built) - so maybe you might want to consider looking at what we have done with AT (our approach will allow C/C++ to be implemented as the smart contract language in only a couple of months - we just need to find one LLVM expert and we already have the funds to pay that person).
Understand that I actually was privy to the Ethereum white paper before it was publicly available and had stated my concerns back then that the design was *wrong* (but hey I'm only a guy with more than 25 years software engineering experience - not a "wonder boy" with my own online magazine).
March 09, 2015, 07:45:03 AM
How's status on smart contracts?
Rumors on Reddit that Ethereum scraps Serpent. CounterParty fares any better?
http://www.reddit.com/r/counterparty_xcp/comments/2y0apx/contract_news/
Rumors on Reddit that Ethereum scraps Serpent. CounterParty fares any better?
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Serpent has lost funding. Some projects have been written in Serpent, but according to Vitalik:
I personally will not have time to continue Serpent development at anything more than the current glacial pace [...]
Unless someone from the Counterparty community wanted to maintain Serpent, it's dead.
It should be possible to fork cpp-ethereum and make Solidity compatible with Counterparty, but the severe limitations in Solidity make me question Ethereum's programmable contract concept.
On the one hand the core concept itself is quite vulnerable to language ecosystem takeovers, because these are miniscule, poorly maintained designer languages based on experimental compilers and VMs. OTOH is the concept of Turing complete code really that much better than a semi-restricted DSL, or even hard coding features into the protocol? If your idea of Turing complete is Python, well Serpent is downright bad. It lacks basic programming features and is in general the opposite of confidence inspiring. Solidity is not much better. They still don't have arrays. I'm not sure it's even worth copying, because it would be trivial for a better approach to crush whatever sliver of a network effect Ethereum has with something better written or written with a better architecture.
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Crafting beautiful UX is infinitely more valuable than offering a Turing Complete™ platform.
Isn't it more viable for anyone with an interesting "contract" idea to just visit https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterpartyd and create a damn pull request? What is so hard or bad about that? It works plenty well for Bitcoin. Who are the industry leaders who don't think that's good enough?
I personally will not have time to continue Serpent development at anything more than the current glacial pace [...]
Unless someone from the Counterparty community wanted to maintain Serpent, it's dead.
It should be possible to fork cpp-ethereum and make Solidity compatible with Counterparty, but the severe limitations in Solidity make me question Ethereum's programmable contract concept.
On the one hand the core concept itself is quite vulnerable to language ecosystem takeovers, because these are miniscule, poorly maintained designer languages based on experimental compilers and VMs. OTOH is the concept of Turing complete code really that much better than a semi-restricted DSL, or even hard coding features into the protocol? If your idea of Turing complete is Python, well Serpent is downright bad. It lacks basic programming features and is in general the opposite of confidence inspiring. Solidity is not much better. They still don't have arrays. I'm not sure it's even worth copying, because it would be trivial for a better approach to crush whatever sliver of a network effect Ethereum has with something better written or written with a better architecture.
[...]
Crafting beautiful UX is infinitely more valuable than offering a Turing Complete™ platform.
Isn't it more viable for anyone with an interesting "contract" idea to just visit https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterpartyd and create a damn pull request? What is so hard or bad about that? It works plenty well for Bitcoin. Who are the industry leaders who don't think that's good enough?
http://www.reddit.com/r/counterparty_xcp/comments/2y0apx/contract_news/
Our compatibility with Ethereum smart contracts is at the virtual machine level, so it doesn't matter what language (Serpent, Solidity, LLL, etc.), you write the contracts in---they'll run on both Counterparty and Ethereum the same. Between the Counterparty and the Ethereum communities, we'll figure out what languages we want to write contracts in and develop those.
March 09, 2015, 02:28:02 AM
How's status on smart contracts?
Rumors on Reddit that Ethereum scraps Serpent. CounterParty fares any better?
http://www.reddit.com/r/counterparty_xcp/comments/2y0apx/contract_news/
Rumors on Reddit that Ethereum scraps Serpent. CounterParty fares any better?
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Serpent has lost funding. Some projects have been written in Serpent, but according to Vitalik:
I personally will not have time to continue Serpent development at anything more than the current glacial pace [...]
Unless someone from the Counterparty community wanted to maintain Serpent, it's dead.
It should be possible to fork cpp-ethereum and make Solidity compatible with Counterparty, but the severe limitations in Solidity make me question Ethereum's programmable contract concept.
On the one hand the core concept itself is quite vulnerable to language ecosystem takeovers, because these are miniscule, poorly maintained designer languages based on experimental compilers and VMs. OTOH is the concept of Turing complete code really that much better than a semi-restricted DSL, or even hard coding features into the protocol? If your idea of Turing complete is Python, well Serpent is downright bad. It lacks basic programming features and is in general the opposite of confidence inspiring. Solidity is not much better. They still don't have arrays. I'm not sure it's even worth copying, because it would be trivial for a better approach to crush whatever sliver of a network effect Ethereum has with something better written or written with a better architecture.
[...]
Crafting beautiful UX is infinitely more valuable than offering a Turing Complete™ platform.
Isn't it more viable for anyone with an interesting "contract" idea to just visit https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterpartyd and create a damn pull request? What is so hard or bad about that? It works plenty well for Bitcoin. Who are the industry leaders who don't think that's good enough?
I personally will not have time to continue Serpent development at anything more than the current glacial pace [...]
Unless someone from the Counterparty community wanted to maintain Serpent, it's dead.
It should be possible to fork cpp-ethereum and make Solidity compatible with Counterparty, but the severe limitations in Solidity make me question Ethereum's programmable contract concept.
On the one hand the core concept itself is quite vulnerable to language ecosystem takeovers, because these are miniscule, poorly maintained designer languages based on experimental compilers and VMs. OTOH is the concept of Turing complete code really that much better than a semi-restricted DSL, or even hard coding features into the protocol? If your idea of Turing complete is Python, well Serpent is downright bad. It lacks basic programming features and is in general the opposite of confidence inspiring. Solidity is not much better. They still don't have arrays. I'm not sure it's even worth copying, because it would be trivial for a better approach to crush whatever sliver of a network effect Ethereum has with something better written or written with a better architecture.
[...]
Crafting beautiful UX is infinitely more valuable than offering a Turing Complete™ platform.
Isn't it more viable for anyone with an interesting "contract" idea to just visit https://github.com/CounterpartyXCP/counterpartyd and create a damn pull request? What is so hard or bad about that? It works plenty well for Bitcoin. Who are the industry leaders who don't think that's good enough?
http://www.reddit.com/r/counterparty_xcp/comments/2y0apx/contract_news/
March 08, 2015, 04:51:39 AM
Looks like counterwallet cannot send btc to a multisig address. It's saying "This field must be a valid Bitcoin address.". Anyone knows if the issue has been reported ?
March 07, 2015, 09:52:27 AM
It would be really useful If we could set miner fee manually.
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