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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 208. (Read 1276789 times)

legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
Some of our community members have expressed concerns that Bitcoin Core may be modified to prevent Counterparty from working in future versions down the track.

Is this a genuine concern of just FUD?

That is FUD. There are many ways to store Counterparty data in the blockchain. It's not leaving any time soon, no worries. Everything is stored in the blockchain, and cannot be changed or manipulated without manipulating the blockchain itself.


That's right. It's pretty much impossible to prevent Counterparty from using Bitcoin, because of the many ways in which Counterparty can store data in the blockchain.

BTC has strong incentives to prevent/penalize "parasitic" data in its un-prunable blockchain.

OTOH, Cryptonite welcomes messages being passed through its fast and light mini-blockchain:

Micro-Transactions

Cryptonite has superior support for micro-transactions because we don't have to worry about keeping any so called "dust" in the blockchain forever. Since blockchain bloat is not a problem, blocks can be larger and we can encourage the use of custom transaction messages.

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Transaction Messages

Like micro-transactions, although possible, the Bitcoin community tends to discourage the storage of text messages in the blockchain because they must be stored forever. The early versions of the bitcoin-qt GUI included a feature for including a custom text message with your transaction but it has since been removed from the GUI in order to slow down blockchain bloat. Including a custom message with a transaction is a very common and useful feature that can play an important role in many merchant scenarios, so it's clearly important for any currency to support such a common and useful feature.

The scalable nature of the mini-blockchain scheme relieves us from the concern of blockchain bloat and we can have full support for transaction messages for the same reason we can support micro-transactions: all the transactions containing the messages can be forgotten by the network after some relatively short period of time. Cryptonite has native support for attaching custom messages to transactions, since we don't use script the message field is embedded into the structure of the transaction, meaning you cannot have a different message for each output, only one message per transaction.

Cryptonite is based on BTC, so modifying/extending XCP compatibility to use it isn't much of a stretch.
sr. member
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XCP is a good coin i have never ever see.I find out this coin at a Chinese forum and now i have fallen love in it.Hope XCP can get better and better.

XCP also has a Chinese forum, but it could use some more activity...
https://forums.counterparty.co/index.php/board,7.0.html
hero member
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Counterpartying
Happy to announce that BetXCP has an automatic BTC -> XCP Vendding machine, courtesy of the guys over at Vennd. Thanks Jeremy and Jonathan!

Vennding machine: http://betxcp.com/vennd

New BetXCP thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/betxcp-decentralized-sports-betting-vig-free-767510
hero member
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Counterpartying
The bitcoin community at large is behind when it comes to what Counterparty is and what it means to Bitcoin and crypto in general. I'm guessing that will correct itself shortly, just a matter of time.
legendary
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The only problem I see is when/if bitcoin tx fee becomes too high for small value tx.
Somewhat related, I just posted this at the forum https://forums.counterparty.co/index.php/topic,544.msg3269.html

This brings an interesting question for me as a relative newcomer but someone who is now highly interested. Which platform do you guys prefer for discussion outside of this thread? The forum or reddit? I would vote for reddit since it has a large user base, voting and threaded comments, and what many would consider to be a familiar interface.

From a high-level, I am really impressed with Counterparty but puzzled by the lack of awareness in the crypto-community. People are throwing tens of millions of dollars at pie-in-the-sky systems when this works now and was launched ultra-fairly. My feeling is that Counterparty hasn't captured the imagination of the Bitcoin 2.0 community and that Bitcoin early adopters are mostly disillusioned to pushing the limits of blockchain technology.

Or is it more that Counterparty isn't ready for prime time and the community is keeping it quiet until it has all the features needed to erupt and take over the world?

/rant

legendary
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Bitcoin is new, makes sense to hodl.
The only problem I see is when/if bitcoin tx fee becomes too high for small value tx.
sr. member
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Counterparty Chief Scientist and Co-Founder
We are seriously considering moving URO to Counterparty after out 6 month distribution phase.

Some of our community members have expressed concerns that Bitcoin Core may be modified to prevent Counterparty from working in future versions down the track.

Is this a genuine concern of just FUD?


That is FUD. There are many ways to store Counterparty data in the blockchain. It's not leaving any time soon, no worries. Everything is stored in the blockchain, and cannot be changed or manipulated without manipulating the blockchain itself.


That's right. It's pretty much impossible to prevent Counterparty from using Bitcoin, because of the many ways in which Counterparty can store data in the blockchain.
member
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XCP is a good coin i have never ever see.I find out this coin at a Chinese forum and now i have fallen love in it.Hope XCP can get better and better.
sr. member
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We are seriously considering moving URO to Counterparty after out 6 month distribution phase.

Some of our community members have expressed concerns that Bitcoin Core may be modified to prevent Counterparty from working in future versions down the track.

Is this a genuine concern of just FUD?

Also, can anyone link me to a few academic papers reviewing the security of Counterparty against counterfeiting of tokens of faking transactions? 

That is FUD. There are many ways to store Counterparty data in the blockchain. It's not leaving any time soon, no worries. Everything is stored in the blockchain, and cannot be changed or manipulated without manipulating the blockchain itself.

Regarding the security, you can look at any academic papers that show the security of the Bitcoin blockchain. Also, the Counterparty source code has been reviewed by well respected Bitcoin security experts Sergio Lerner and Peter Todd.

sr. member
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Uro: 1 URO = 1 metric tonne of Urea N46 fertilizer
We are seriously considering moving URO to Counterparty after out 6 month distribution phase.

Some of our community members have expressed concerns that Bitcoin Core may be modified to prevent Counterparty from working in future versions down the track.

Is this a genuine concern of just FUD?

Also, can anyone link me to a few academic papers reviewing the security of Counterparty against counterfeiting of tokens of faking transactions? 
sr. member
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I think we need a way for users to make their broadcast feeds public and accessible, without creating their own page:

To quote user Weex from http://forums.counterparty.co:

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You're talking about a directory of broadcast feeds? That would be really cool. Each broadcasting entity could have a page listing all of their broadcast feeds, the individual broadcasts, their logo, a link to their website, etc. I actually think blockscan.com is the best candidate for adding this since they already have broadcast feeds.

Yes, there should be a way to have a complete and bet-able feed completely within Counterparty without relying on an external feed.  I am located in a jurisdiction where I think that running feeds would be construed as running a casino or some BS, and therefore I do not want to have to set up a website (which would be tied to my name in one form or another) in order to set up a feed.

I proposed a block hash lottery on github, where few would win a lot. I think this would take advantage of the true potential of XCP escrow.
hero member
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I think we need a way for users to make their broadcast feeds public and accessible, without creating their own page:

To quote user Weex from http://forums.counterparty.co:

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You're talking about a directory of broadcast feeds? That would be really cool. Each broadcasting entity could have a page listing all of their broadcast feeds, the individual broadcasts, their logo, a link to their website, etc. I actually think blockscan.com is the best candidate for adding this since they already have broadcast feeds.

Yes, there should be a way to have a complete and bet-able feed completely within Counterparty without relying on an external feed.  I am located in a jurisdiction where I think that running feeds would be construed as running a casino or some BS, and therefore I do not want to have to set up a website (which would be tied to my name in one form or another) in order to set up a feed.
sr. member
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Hello XCP community,

We are pleased to announce that we have uploaded a new version for the XBet.IO website.

The new version entails several significant improvements.

Expect a new major feature to be added in the next couple of days.

User feedback is what helps us improve. Your comments are welcome.

Regarding this:
I think we need a way for users to make their broadcast feeds public and accessible, without creating their own page:

We are working on that feature for a while now, expect an update soon.

So glad to hear someone is listening to my immature criticisms (inside joke).  Smiley
member
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Hello XCP community,

We are pleased to announce that we have uploaded a new version for the XBet.IO website.

The new version entails several significant improvements.

Expect a new major feature to be added in the next couple of days.

User feedback is what helps us improve. Your comments are welcome.

Regarding this:
I think we need a way for users to make their broadcast feeds public and accessible, without creating their own page:

We are working on that feature for a while now, expect an update soon.
newbie
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Hi there.

I am trying to use vennd and when i start it it fails. So I ran the configuartion tester and it says:

"

Code:
my_user@myserver:~$ groovy-2.3.6/bin/groovy vennd/ConfigurationTester.groovy
org.codehaus.groovy.control.MultipleCompilationErrorsException: startup failed:
/home/my_user/vennd/ConfigurationTester.groovy: 42: unable to resolve class CounterpartyAPI
 @ line 42, column 27.
           counterpartyAPI = new CounterpartyAPI()
                             ^

/home/my_user/vennd/ConfigurationTester.groovy: 43: unable to resolve class BitcoinAPI
 @ line 43, column 22.
           bitcoinAPI = new BitcoinAPI()
                        ^

/home/my_user/vennd/ConfigurationTester.groovy: 107: unable to resolve class BitcoinAPI
 @ line 107, column 27.
           def bitcoinTest = new BitcoinAPI()
                             ^

/home/my_user/vennd/ConfigurationTester.groovy: 126: unable to resolve class CounterpartyAPI
 @ line 126, column 32.
           def counterpartyTest = new CounterpartyAPI()
                                  ^

4 errors
"

I tried using 3 different versions of groovy but they all gave the same error.
I also checked the xcp and btc clients and connections, they all work fine as i have even issued a test asset with that wallet moments earlier.
I am using bitcoin and counterparty on testnet.

vennd is a key project for the counterparty ecosystem and so your help will be very appreciated.

anyone?
sr. member
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I think we need a way for users to make their broadcast feeds public and accessible, without creating their own page:

To quote user Weex from http://forums.counterparty.co:

Quote
You're talking about a directory of broadcast feeds? That would be really cool. Each broadcasting entity could have a page listing all of their broadcast feeds, the individual broadcasts, their logo, a link to their website, etc. I actually think blockscan.com is the best candidate for adding this since they already have broadcast feeds.
member
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Glad to see XCP achieved grate progress! My XCP form burning has been staying in my wallet more than 6 month. LOL!
newbie
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Hi there.

I am trying to use vennd and when i start it it fails. So I ran the configuartion tester and it says:

"

Code:
my_user@myserver:~$ groovy-2.3.6/bin/groovy vennd/ConfigurationTester.groovy
org.codehaus.groovy.control.MultipleCompilationErrorsException: startup failed:
/home/my_user/vennd/ConfigurationTester.groovy: 42: unable to resolve class CounterpartyAPI
 @ line 42, column 27.
           counterpartyAPI = new CounterpartyAPI()
                             ^

/home/my_user/vennd/ConfigurationTester.groovy: 43: unable to resolve class BitcoinAPI
 @ line 43, column 22.
           bitcoinAPI = new BitcoinAPI()
                        ^

/home/my_user/vennd/ConfigurationTester.groovy: 107: unable to resolve class BitcoinAPI
 @ line 107, column 27.
           def bitcoinTest = new BitcoinAPI()
                             ^

/home/my_user/vennd/ConfigurationTester.groovy: 126: unable to resolve class CounterpartyAPI
 @ line 126, column 32.
           def counterpartyTest = new CounterpartyAPI()
                                  ^

4 errors
"

I tried using 3 different versions of groovy but they all gave the same error.
I also checked the xcp and btc clients and connections, they all work fine as i have even issued a test asset with that wallet moments earlier.
I am using bitcoin and counterparty on testnet.

vennd is a key project for the counterparty ecosystem and so your help will be very appreciated.
sr. member
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Just a thought, anyone working on a prediction market about global events, stock prices, or anything like that?
hero member
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Any news from Bittrex ?
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