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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 353. (Read 1277015 times)

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One of the primary arguments against POS - that one doesn't need to spend/invest in order to earn money through fees - is also an argument against saving to earn interest.

Certainly there will be people who hoard in order to earn fees, but no entrepreneur will be satisfied with such low returns. They will spend/invest their money to develop useful products and services for the prospect of significantly greater returns than through collecting tolls. And other users will want to buy those products or services, since the product or service is worth more to them than the little income they earn from the POS transaction fees.

There will always be hoarders, as I say, but the hoarders provide ballast and stability to the currency. Most savers will use the currency because it only has value when it is spent to create or consume real-world products and services.  


Hey, luizchen, I notice that you copied my entire post from yesterday word-for-word, and represented my words as if they are yours.  Huh What are you doing?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5894437

One of the primary arguments against POS - that one doesn't need to spend/invest in order to earn money through fees - is also an argument against saving to earn interest.

Certainly there will be people who hoard in order to earn fees, but no entrepreneur will be satisfied with such low returns. They will spend/invest their money to develop useful products and services for the prospect of significantly greater returns than through collecting tolls. And other users will want to buy those products or services, since the product or service is worth more to them than the little income they earn from the POS transaction fees.

There will always be hoarders, as I say, but the hoarders provide ballast and stability to the currency. Most savers will use the currency because it only has value when it is spent to create or consume real-world products and services.
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Yes.Please pay more attention to the amazing project,not the price. I believe it will give us a surprise soon.
legendary
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i am coming!
i suggest xcp team use MXCP for Unit NOW。especially the net Wallet。like Mantissa pricing,this is Scientific research
and then it seem like more Bargaining chip for Issuance of asset
and more people like buy it because it seem so cheap like dogecoin
if 1.3 usd can buy 0.1XCP and 100MXCP ,i think you will choose 100mXCP because 100 look so comfortably then 0.1

Foresight

XCP will have a bright future.  2,648,496 is such a small quantity.   i think we should use mXCP as default unit from now on.

As a possible newbie coin-buyer, judging strictly from the chart action, is this coin dead?
Why do you think so? Based on the price or volume?
Counterparty is different from the other altcoins. It provides new functions to BTC and it's value needs to evaluated on its function rather than its short term price or volume. The price now is still pure noise.
sr. member
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yes , People like to buy cheap things
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I read the last couple of pages here and I really have to say: Be FRIENDLY to each other. The obvious was pointed out before: Bitcoin and Counterparty benefit from each other and are not competitors. So with the mutual benefit in mind please be constructive and differentiated. If someone is personally attacked it is less easy for him to move without the LOSS OF FACE. This is not the place to lift up your EGO by blaming others personally!  Grin
newbie
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i am coming!
i suggest xcp team use MXCP for Unit NOW。especially the net Wallet。like Mantissa pricing,this is Scientific research
and then it seem like more Bargaining chip for Issuance of asset
and more people like buy it because it seem so cheap like dogecoin
if 1.3 usd can buy 0.1XCP and 100MXCP ,i think you will choose 100mXCP because 100 look so comfortably then 0.1

Foresight

XCP will have a bright future.  2,648,496 is such a small quantity.   i think we should use mXCP as default unit from now on.

As a possible newbie coin-buyer, judging strictly from the chart action, is this coin dead?

Yes it is, go post somewhere else, thanks.
full member
Activity: 224
Merit: 100
i am coming!
i suggest xcp team use MXCP for Unit NOW。especially the net Wallet。like Mantissa pricing,this is Scientific research
and then it seem like more Bargaining chip for Issuance of asset
and more people like buy it because it seem so cheap like dogecoin
if 1.3 usd can buy 0.1XCP and 100MXCP ,i think you will choose 100mXCP because 100 look so comfortably then 0.1

Foresight

XCP will have a bright future.  2,648,496 is such a small quantity.   i think we should use mXCP as default unit from now on.

As a possible newbie coin-buyer, judging strictly from the chart action, is this coin dead?
full member
Activity: 198
Merit: 100
i am coming!
i suggest xcp team use MXCP for Unit NOW。especially the net Wallet。like Mantissa pricing,this is Scientific research
and then it seem like more Bargaining chip for Issuance of asset
and more people like buy it because it seem so cheap like dogecoin
if 1.3 usd can buy 0.1XCP and 100MXCP ,i think you will choose 100mXCP because 100 look so comfortably then 0.1

Foresight

XCP will have a bright future.  2,648,496 is such a small quantity.   i think we should use mXCP as default unit from now on.
member
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Counterparty
i am coming!
i suggest xcp team use MXCP for Unit NOW。especially the net Wallet。like Mantissa pricing,this is Scientific research
and then it seem like more Bargaining chip for Issuance of asset

Foresight
newbie
Activity: 38
Merit: 0
i am coming!
i suggest xcp team use MXCP for Unit NOW。especially the net Wallet。like Mantissa pricing,this is Scientific research
and then it seem like more Bargaining chip for Issuance of asset
and more people like buy it because it seem so cheap like dogecoin
if 2 usd can buy 0.1XCP and 100MXCP ,i think you will choose 100mXCP because 100 look so comfortably than 0.1
sr. member
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Open question:
What are the chances that entrepreneurs and investors (like those at the CoinSummit right now) will put pressure on the Bitcoin core developers to cooperate with innovative technologies like Counterparty and Mastercoin? The investors that I have in mind are aware of the potential of Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies to do things that current financial and commercial products and systems cannot do, and they see this space as a vast, untapped reservoir. Will they be able to sway the core developers to be more cooperative in order to develop the many supplemental products and services that can run on top of Bitcoin? What's your guess? 
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Will someone with the required technical prowess and free time, please answer this question?
http://www.reddit.com/r/cryptodev/comments/21c1dm/developers_battle_over_bitcoin_block_chain/

Because you can't reverse a hash to get the data, you have to store the data somewhere else and check that it matches with the hash. There are a lot of obvious disadvantages to doing this.
Meanwhile no one has convincingly argued for the disadvantages of OP_Return 80, the data load is marginal, and spammers have access to OP_Return 40, or multisig for their purposes anyways.

edit: and the entire 'blockchain bloat' thing is just a bunch of crap. Someone sends their BTC to a centralized exchange, the exchange moves it around 3 or 4 times on receipt, another 3 or 4 times on withdrawal, this is actually consuming more transaction space in a block... So Counterparty offers a solution that is secure (unlike a centralized exchange) and it's blockchain bloat because it's not an 'official implementation supported by Bitcoin'.
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Counterpartying
Will someone with the required technical prowess and free time, please answer this question?
http://www.reddit.com/r/cryptodev/comments/21c1dm/developers_battle_over_bitcoin_block_chain/
legendary
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what do you guys think of the new IRS guidance on crypto ?

If I buy a poo from overstock with bitcoin, overstock might be required to report the transaction, and I have to report my cap gain for that transaction.

But if XCP/MSC decentralized marketplaces are available, nobody is forced to report anything, then cryptomoney users are off the hook.

How?
legendary
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The problem with a pure implementation of Proof of Stake - all technical difficulties aside, is it's always going to be a monopoly in favor of those that already have stakes - which is untenable for a currency which needs to gain an audience and circulation.

The problem with a pure implementation of Proof of Work is it's always going to be a monopoly in favor of those who have lots of hardware, which is untenable for a currency which needs to gain an audience and circulation.

Under both systems, investors (directly or in hardware/mining costs) / early adopters will have all the coins.  Once the currency gains usefulness, the demand will grow and these folks will sell their coins on the free market to anybody who wants one, at the right price.  

The "wider adoption" process works the same way eventually, it's just the initial distribution that's different.  One of them is a gigantic waste of electricity and hardware resources, and the other tends to make the developers rich.  Counterparty is the ONLY crypto-currency that has eschewed BOTH of these methods with a truly fair distribution.

Quite to the contrary Sad
Counterparty has the worst of both worlds as it strips the devs off their funds needed to further development and lacks the long term distribution process of POW. Majority of funds are still concentrated in the hands of earliest adopters eg burners. All it provides over the other two is a subtle ethic advantage at first glance. If you reconcile what could be achieved for society if devs would have the initial backing of funds to speed up development and some sort of egalitarian distribution process like Countrycoins or POW provide it becomes ethically questionable to go down that road.
legendary
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Bitcoin is new, makes sense to hodl.
what do you guys think of the new IRS guidance on crypto ?

If I buy a poo from overstock with bitcoin, overstock might be required to report the transaction, and I have to report my cap gain for that transaction.

But if XCP/MSC decentralized marketplaces are available, nobody is forced to report anything, then cryptomoney users are off the hook.
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If Bitcoin forks in two - you would have two chains that are each 200% easier to attack.
legendary
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The problem with a pure implementation of Proof of Stake - all technical difficulties aside, is it's always going to be a monopoly in favor of those that already have stakes - which is untenable for a currency which needs to gain an audience and circulation.

I agree but I think that is a problem with a solution. As scammy as Auroracoin is it has the right idea. Could you imagine a government using proof-of-stake crypto to implement a basic income scheme? Every month registered citizens automatically receive a certain amount of crypto income which they can automatically save by generating blocks or spend. That would solve the unequal stake distribution that Peercoin and its clones suffer from.

There would certainly be identity fraud, but the government deals with pension/Social Security fraud every day and is best equipped to handle it. Whether or not a major country would actually try this initiative is another question. But I think there will be at least one country with a weak currency that tries it out.

The other issue, which jgarzik mentioned earlier, that "in PoS there is nothing at stake" is also a technical problem that I think Ethereum will be trying to solve.

I think that is actually factually wrong. What is at stake with POW? If Bitcoin forks in two then I have suddenly 2x the Bitcoins and no loss (provided the two chains stay equally popular in summation). With POS it would be the same or wouldnt it?
legendary
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The problem with a pure implementation of Proof of Stake - all technical difficulties aside, is it's always going to be a monopoly in favor of those that already have stakes - which is untenable for a currency which needs to gain an audience and circulation.

Solution: Pre allocated stakes á la: Country coins Wink
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