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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 355. (Read 1276826 times)

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Hey I need some advice from the experts regarding the XCP pricing...

Is a good time to buy now, or will price drop any further? Wait some more weeks and hope price goes down?
Ive read a new wallet is coming soon. But I suppose thats already priced in. Nevertheless that looks like good news. Is there any further improvements in short term coming?



To put it bluntly, the price may in fact plummet immediately following mainnet on Counterwallet, after that my educated guess is a gradual uptrend with some upward spike occurring at some point. Once my video comes out sometime at the end of this week that may also spike the price Wink
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Hey I need some advice from the experts regarding the XCP pricing...

Is a good time to buy now, or will price drop any further? Wait some more weeks and hope price goes down?
Ive read a new wallet is coming soon. But I suppose thats already priced in. Nevertheless that looks like good news. Is there any further improvements in short term coming?

legendary
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Hi,

it was high time for an updated build of BoottleXCP so there you go Smiley

 https://github.com/JahPowerBit/BoottleXCP_binaries/releases/tag/0011_beta

Now supports the new 0.5 XCP fee for asset issuance as well as other bugfixes
(see git commits for detailed list - hopefully I will soon have enough time to start
maintaining a more user-friendly changelog).

Embedded counterpartyd is version 6.8.

Build instructions have also been updated, though they still need a little more work:
 https://github.com/JahPowerBit/BoottleXCP_binaries/blob/master/windows_build_instructions.txt
 

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black swan hunter

 He used computing resources which did not belong to him, but were entrusted to his care, to sabotage another project.

If that's true, I'll be moving my miners off Eligius and recommend same to every other miner I know. Care to back quoted claim with some data?

From https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=56675.40 :

CoiledCoin now closed. Have a nice day.

And his planned attack on Devoin, from https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.678004 :

I don't particularly have any incentive to respond to the scammers that I foiled, given the significant cost (in time) to do so. Nor do I have any financial loss or care particularly if people want to stop mining on Eligius because they were in on the scam (or any other reason). I will clarify that Eligius miners were not adversely impacted by this, and that the CLC mining involved only adding data that I hashed myself to my own transactions; and I was careful to ensure that nobody lost any confirmed CLC. If any Eligius miner wishes to inquire further, I will take the time to answer specific to-the-point questions which are signmessage'd with an active (ie, has mined in the past week) Eligius payout address that has earned at least 2000 TBC (5.36870912 BTC) over all time.

Eligius is a Bitcoin mining pool and I am, as always, committed to doing my best to contribute to and protect the Bitcoin ecosystem. Pyramid schemes built upon forks of the Bitcoin software ultimately discredit and harm Bitcoin's reputation. I hope CoiledCoin will be the last of such scams now that it is clear there are people (not just myself) willing to stand up to them. Namecoin alone demonstrates a legitimate, innovative use of Bitcoin technology, and while I don't personally agree with their ideals/goals, I see it as a good thing for Bitcoin and worth cooperating with.

cablepair, regarding Devcoin, I don't see any reason to treat it as different from any other scamcoin. I will at least discuss it with you on IRC before doing anything other than mining it with the almost-unmodified (zero txn fee, zero post-maturity delay) Devcoin client.

P.S. While the opposition seem to be very venemous and vocal, I have gotten a lot more positive support from a head-count perspective.

Luke-jr is by far the most malignant personality I have come across in the Bitcoin ecosystem. The fact that other high ranking developers tolerate and even condone this behavior has caused me to question the integrity of the Bitcoin project itself. I don't want these kind of people anywhere near any investment of mine. I will continue to use BTC as a gateway to other crypto assets, but will not be storing significant value in it. I would rather see Mastercoin and Counterparty migrate to other blockchains.
legendary
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Counterparty will feature two pages in the book called Cryptocurrency "The Alt-ernative" the Beginner's Reference

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483187.new#new


Please donate to the below Bitcoin wallet address in order to help fund this project:

1Axhey1zwGowApExUZdFLpQFibP5tcS7vV

It will have 2 pages similar to this:





If you spot any spelling or grammar errors, these are easily sorted.  I do have a full time job as well as trying to get this project completed too.
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hi !

before excuse my english... i m french !

during XCP ipo, i proof of burn 4 times btc in XCP on the same address but never above 1 btc in tot.

today, i import my XCP on boottle xcp great but just the first transaction of four appaear in boottle xcp... Cry

how can i credit the others transactions ?

Thks for your help.

JMTOOCOOL

have you checked your address with the http://blockscan.com ?


Yes, on blockscan.com, my 4 transactions appear on my btc address. The XCP sum of four transactions are correctly.

And you still get total balance in bottle xcp?

my total balance in bottle xcp is just about my first transaction, not the third others

Use the command line tool and not the Bootle XCP. Can you see the 4 transactions. (were the total of all 4 transactions < 1 BTC).

If you got the Windows build of boottle, You can skip installing the Daemon from scratch by just holding down SHIFT while clicking on the icon.  Then you can type counterpartyd -h to see the available commands

Yes i can see my 4 transactions with command line.

Since today, i ve got 2 /4 transactions on boottle xcp ! Smiley so now i think i'm waiting for complete value.

THANKS EVERYBOBY FOR YOUR HELP !  Wink
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Counterparty Chief Scientist and Co-Founder
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[–]mike_hearn 2 points 13 minutes ago
Well, be fair - lots of projects have promised the moon in this regard (e.g. Mastercoin) and then not delivered. Counterparty has actual code and specs, which is great, but when I poked around yesterday the only GUI I found is perhaps better described as a command line in a window. I question whether this can be described as a "functioning distributed exchange".

shocking really, I expected better.

A command line in a window, behave yourself.

To be fair he continued by saying:

".................So though I haven't weighed in on the Counterparty thread, people who take a relatively unknown project and claim Bitcoin will die without their amazing hack that works in a totally different way to how I am expecting it to work, start out with slightly negative credibility in my view. Certainly I'm willing (happy!) to be proven wrong though!

I highly suggest that one of the devs respond to him directly via PM or at the thread and show him otherwise. we need these key guys to see the entire pic.

+1

I'm PMing him.
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Phantom actually stated to the reporter:

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Yes, the emergence of cryptocurrencies and payment networks that are
built on top of existing blockchains, and on other protocols for
distributed-consensus, is a major trend in information technology. The
benefits both for the 'metacoins' and the underlying networks is huge:
Counterparty can leave the trusted-timestamping, proof-of-publication,
peer discovery, and anti-DOS measures entirely in a transport layer;
Bitcoin can be very conservative with the kinds of functionality that it
directly supports, while still rapidly acquiring the new features that
it needs to stay relevant and useful.

It's in Bitcoin's best interest that its developers do what they can to
encourage the building of interesting and useful technologies on top of
Bitcoin. However, the blockchain is robust structure, and passivity on
their part is unlikely ever to become a real problem as a direct result
of such innovation.

How you get the former from the latter is beyond me, but then again I am not a reporter.


So.., How about that Boycot the Wall Street Journal Theme that was running on Reddit?
sr. member
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Counterparty Developer
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[–]mike_hearn 2 points 13 minutes ago
Well, be fair - lots of projects have promised the moon in this regard (e.g. Mastercoin) and then not delivered. Counterparty has actual code and specs, which is great, but when I poked around yesterday the only GUI I found is perhaps better described as a command line in a window. I question whether this can be described as a "functioning distributed exchange".

shocking really, I expected better.

A command line in a window, behave yourself.

To be fair he continued by saying:

".................So though I haven't weighed in on the Counterparty thread, people who take a relatively unknown project and claim Bitcoin will die without their amazing hack that works in a totally different way to how I am expecting it to work, start out with slightly negative credibility in my view. Certainly I'm willing (happy!) to be proven wrong though!

I highly suggest that one of the devs respond to him directly via PM or at the thread and show him otherwise. we need these key guys to see the entire pic.

+1

We're in the process of doing so. The keep Bitcoin relevant quote by Phantom was very much taken out of context. Here's what the reporter wrote:

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Is it really the core developers’ job to make it possible for others to build extra services on top of the block chain? It had better, if it wants to stay relevant, says ‘PhantomPhreak’, a core developer for Counterparty.

Here's what Phantom actually stated to the reporter:

Quote
Yes, the emergence of cryptocurrencies and payment networks that are
built on top of existing blockchains, and on other protocols for
distributed-consensus, is a major trend in information technology. The
benefits both for the 'metacoins' and the underlying networks is huge:
Counterparty can leave the trusted-timestamping, proof-of-publication,
peer discovery, and anti-DOS measures entirely in a transport layer;
Bitcoin can be very conservative with the kinds of functionality that it
directly supports, while still rapidly acquiring the new features that
it needs to stay relevant and useful.

It's in Bitcoin's best interest that its developers do what they can to
encourage the building of interesting and useful technologies on top of
Bitcoin. However, the blockchain is robust structure, and passivity on
their part is unlikely ever to become a real problem as a direct result
of such innovation.
legendary
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 He used computing resources which did not belong to him, but were entrusted to his care, to sabotage another project.

If that's true, I'll be moving my miners off Eligius and recommend same to every other miner I know. Care to back quoted claim with some data?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.678006
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[–]mike_hearn 2 points 13 minutes ago
Well, be fair - lots of projects have promised the moon in this regard (e.g. Mastercoin) and then not delivered. Counterparty has actual code and specs, which is great, but when I poked around yesterday the only GUI I found is perhaps better described as a command line in a window. I question whether this can be described as a "functioning distributed exchange".

shocking really, I expected better.

A command line in a window, behave yourself.

To be fair he continued by saying:

".................So though I haven't weighed in on the Counterparty thread, people who take a relatively unknown project and claim Bitcoin will die without their amazing hack that works in a totally different way to how I am expecting it to work, start out with slightly negative credibility in my view. Certainly I'm willing (happy!) to be proven wrong though!

I highly suggest that one of the devs respond to him directly via PM or at the thread and show him otherwise. we need these key guys to see the entire pic.
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There is something I don't understand about the mechanics of the current problem with OP_RETURN. I am planning to issue an asset on top of XCP and want to make sure I get this straight, so I'll appreciate a clarification.

Currently, XCP already works with the current Bitcoin implementation. It's able to process feeds, allows decentralized trading, asset issuance and dividend payment, and so on.
With the next version, this OP_RETURN feature is being added, but with less storage space than anticipated, throwing a wrench in XCP development plans.

So my question is:
Will XCP still function as it does now (asset trading, dividend distribution, etc)?
What are the features that are incompatible with this new change?

Thanks in advance.



XCP will function just as it does now, and no features are incompatible with the reduction of OP_RETURN outputs to 40 bytes. Remember, Counterparty has not been using OP_RETURN, but rather bare multi-sig, and so it will just continue using the latter. If bare multi-sig ever stops being an option, there are other methods of putting data in the blockchain.
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There is something I don't understand about the mechanics of the current problem with OP_RETURN. I am planning to issue an asset on top of XCP and want to make sure I get this straight, so I'll appreciate a clarification.

Currently, XCP already works with the current Bitcoin implementation. It's able to process feeds, allows decentralized trading, asset issuance and dividend payment, and so on.
With the next version, this OP_RETURN feature is being added, but with less storage space than anticipated, throwing a wrench in XCP development plans.

So my question is:
Will XCP still function as it does now (asset trading, dividend distribution, etc)?
What are the features that are incompatible with this new change?

Thanks in advance.

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Quote
[–]mike_hearn 2 points 13 minutes ago
Well, be fair - lots of projects have promised the moon in this regard (e.g. Mastercoin) and then not delivered. Counterparty has actual code and specs, which is great, but when I poked around yesterday the only GUI I found is perhaps better described as a command line in a window. I question whether this can be described as a "functioning distributed exchange".

shocking really, I expected better.

A command line in a window, behave yourself.
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It's essential for the coins value that it can function as a medium of exchange - all the advantages related to cryptocurrency are precisely in terms of the benefits it offers in that regard.
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One of the primary arguments against POS - that one doesn't need to spend/invest in order to earn money through fees - is also an argument against saving to earn interest.

Certainly there will be people who hoard in order to earn fees, but no entrepreneur will be satisfied with such low returns. They will spend/invest their money to develop useful products and services for the prospect of significantly greater returns than through collecting tolls. And other users will want to buy those products or services, since the product or service is worth more to them than the little income they earn from the POS transaction fees.

There will always be hoarders, as I say, but the hoarders provide ballast and stability to the currency. Most savers will use the currency because it only has value when it is spent to create or consume real-world products and services.

I agree.  The return on most PoS coins is quite low - 1% yearly for Peercoin, IIRC?  You'd have to be an idiot to not do better than that by cashing out your Peercoins for fiat and investing them in real-world financial instruments (barring the chance for value appreciation of Peercoins relative for fiat).  The real case for PoS is that it allows stochastic mining that will never spiral out of control in terms of real-world costs.

In the end, all coins find their way to exchanges where they can be purchased outright with fiat or other cryptos.  The people who originally obtained them (whether by mining or by IPO/pre-buy/burn/whatever) are entitled to some profit IMO.  The free market is really the only way to "fairly" distribute coins, and they all end up there eventually.  Mining and IPO are simply ways to distribute the coins initially, and both methods have their flaws.  But if the coin has value, that value will be determined in the free market.
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One of the primary arguments against POS - that one doesn't need to spend/invest in order to earn money through fees - is also an argument against saving to earn interest.

Certainly there will be people who hoard in order to earn fees, but no entrepreneur will be satisfied with such low returns. They will spend/invest their money to develop useful products and services for the prospect of significantly greater returns than through collecting tolls. And other users will want to buy those products or services, since the product or service is worth more to them than the little income they earn from the POS transaction fees.

There will always be hoarders, as I say, but the hoarders provide ballast and stability to the currency. Most savers will use the currency because it only has value when it is spent to create or consume real-world products and services.
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Some of the comments on reddit..

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[–]bassjoe 1 point 48 minutes ago
The blockchain belongs to the whole network, not just those that want to use it to store their proprietary information which is useless to the majority of the network's users.

[–]physalisx -1 points 1 hour ago*
As far as I'm concerned, counterparty can suck it. There is no reason why they should be allowed to abuse the blockchain by filling it with their data. The blockchain is not a general purpose storage space, period. They'll have to find another way. Wanting to build decentralized services is great. But there's no justification for putting it all on Bitcoin's shoulders.


[–]scotty321 1 point 1 hour ago
This is why we can't have nice things.

[–]super3
The blockchain is a data structure. Why do people get to state what it may or many not be used for?
[–]nullc 3 points 19 minutes ago
Your home is a steel and timber structure, why do people get to state what it may or may not be used for? I for one am looking forward to putting my radioactive waste in your living room. Don't like it? Too bad: I paid fees to your neighbor, fair and square. Smiley
[–]slimmtl 8 points 2 hours ago
My miners arent your free cloud storage.

the question of network neutrality is quite elemental. But I can also understand the critique of abuse (not in the case of counterparty) but in general.

to see it on a broader scale, the problem of oligopolized mining and their political power seems already to be relevant. Just imagine the same situation we have with the pools, between a regulator and a mining pool. This situation has the potential to be a major drawback for mass adoption, because no regulator will support a situation where he can basically be extorted. I personally was quite shocked although I knew of the power of the miners that they would have the potential to abuse this power in an almost unlimited way. to put this system in a wider perspective a constitution is missing, I highly doubt that in that spot a kind of self-enforcing equilibrium will occur. 
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 He used computing resources which did not belong to him, but were entrusted to his care, to sabotage another project.

If that's true, I'll be moving my miners off Eligius and recommend same to every other miner I know. Care to back quoted claim with some data?
hero member
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Some of the comments on reddit..

Quote
[–]bassjoe 1 point 48 minutes ago
The blockchain belongs to the whole network, not just those that want to use it to store their proprietary information which is useless to the majority of the network's users.

[–]physalisx -1 points 1 hour ago*
As far as I'm concerned, counterparty can suck it. There is no reason why they should be allowed to abuse the blockchain by filling it with their data. The blockchain is not a general purpose storage space, period. They'll have to find another way. Wanting to build decentralized services is great. But there's no justification for putting it all on Bitcoin's shoulders.


[–]scotty321 1 point 1 hour ago
This is why we can't have nice things.

[–]super3
The blockchain is a data structure. Why do people get to state what it may or many not be used for?
[–]nullc 3 points 19 minutes ago
Your home is a steel and timber structure, why do people get to state what it may or may not be used for? I for one am looking forward to putting my radioactive waste in your living room. Don't like it? Too bad: I paid fees to your neighbor, fair and square. Smiley
[–]slimmtl 8 points 2 hours ago
My miners arent your free cloud storage.
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