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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 362. (Read 1276826 times)

legendary
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he who has the gold makes the rules
I thought you guys might want to check out Chancecoin, a coin for decentralized dice betting. It's a fork of the Counterparty protocol.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anncha-chancecoin-supernet-core-coin-for-betting-in-a-decentralized-casino-528023


isn't there already betting functionality with counterparty that no one is using?
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It From Bit
Is Luke-Jr the only person thinking what he thinks or are others BTC core dev agree with him?
I think the reason people in this thread are so wound up is because there is a perception (from Jgarzik's comments in part, but of course from the OP_Return from 80 to  40 change as a whole), that Luke Jr's opinion/attitude is very much indicative of the position of the the other core developers as well. (Especially since none of them have come forward to provide sound technical reasoning for the change).
OK.

What would happen if there is a consensus in the BTC community that one guy shouldn't be a core developper anymore. Does a procedure exist?

If there isn't such a procedure there ought to be.  It's pretty clear from Luke's entire posting history that he is a constant source of friction, and takes obvious delight in it.

I'm inclining to agree with Adam that the biggest problem with bitcoin is the core devs, and that the best course of action for Counterparty is to expect nothing from them, except perhaps deliberate obstructiveness, and move to considering Litecoin, or some other faster blockchain without the baggage of these guys.  I don't see much constructive development from them over the last year in comparison to what the Counterparty devs have acheived in a few weeks anyway.  They seem a lot more like traffic cops than devs on any open source project I've come across.

The bottom line is that without innovation Bitcoin is going to be left behind.  It's a shame to throw away all that hashing power and first mover advantage, but from the silence of any of the other 'Big 15', and the attitude of Luke and Jeff in this thread it seems pointess to keep begging for a tiny peice of their territory to work with because they have made it very clear that they just don't care about what Counterparty is attempting.
sr. member
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Counterparty Chief Scientist and Co-Founder
Luke: Is this connected in any way to what you were talking about earlier today on #bitcoin-dev? You wanted a patch to bitcoind that stored the blockchain to disk in an obfuscated form, so that automated scans of a hard drive didn't pick up "illegal" strings. Is the whole thing against non-whitelisted data because you're worried about getting busted by the FBI because someone stuffed TOR links into OP_RETURN?

Not to steal the question, but you can put TOR links in 40 bytes as easily as in 80. And 80 bytes is still much too small to store any image data.
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Chancecoin developer
I thought you guys might want to check out Chancecoin, a coin for decentralized dice betting. It's a fork of the Counterparty protocol.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anncha-chancecoin-supernet-core-coin-for-betting-in-a-decentralized-casino-528023
legendary
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could someone write up what the big deal is exactly?  having a hard time reading through 50 pages of stuff.

is Luke Jr trying to deprecate multisig transactions now?
No, I'm trying to help Counterparty behave like a good Bitcoin citizen.
Ignore the trolls' misrepresentations of me.
legendary
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he who has the gold makes the rules
could someone write up what the big deal is exactly?  having a hard time reading through 50 pages of stuff.

is Luke Jr trying to deprecate multisig transactions now?
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Only one thing to say: DON'T FEED THE TROLL.  Even the other BTC devs are embarrassed.

If someone from the BTC DEV team is embarrassed, and I sure hope someone is, than I'd pledge for him to participate and help put things in order, embrace this project, support the dev, explain the issues, try to to find a solution in a friendly way, explain to the kid how important this project is to the space and support the spirit of bitcoin and its well being from this unwarranted attack on decentralized principles in the name of "the new self appointed bitcoin owenership".
legendary
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Is Luke-Jr the only person thinking what he thinks or are others BTC core dev agree with him?
I think the reason people in this thread are so wound up is because there is a perception (from Jgarzik's comments in part, but of course from the OP_Return from 80 to  40 change as a whole), that Luke Jr's opinion/attitude is very much indicative of the position of the the other core developers as well. (Especially since none of them have come forward to provide sound technical reasoning for the change).
OK.

What would happen if there is a consensus in the BTC community that one guy shouldn't be a core developper anymore. Does a procedure exist?
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Only one thing to say: DON'T FEED THE TROLL.  Even the other BTC devs are embarrassed.
legendary
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Is Luke-Jr the only person thinking what he thinks or are others BTC core dev agree with him?
legendary
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You guys sure love to lie, eh?
newbie
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and to directly attack altcoins purely out of spite

A bright side for you - I think the admitted 51% attack dooms his long-term participation. Stuff like that (either the 51% itself or the misuse of resources entrusted him) will probably be explicitly criminalized within the decade, and while if he's US or many places there can't be a retroactive law, having that crime in the past will make serious businesspeople reluctant to work with him.
legendary
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I am confused about multisig and its future.
Is bitcoin really going to make the (currently limited) 3 signer multisig non-standard?
Wouldnt that effectively make multisig unusable?
Bare multisig is already unusable. Filtering out abuses would be possible without filtering all bare multisig anyway.
P2SH multisig (which actually has potential use) will continue to work in any case.
OK, good!

Also, if I have a transaction with two inputs, each from a 2 of 3 multisig acct, would it be a standard transaction:
a) if both inputs have the same signers (maybe same addr maybe different addr)
b) if both inputs use different signers

I never understood what exactly the limits were

Thanks
legendary
Activity: 2576
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I am confused about multisig and its future.
Is bitcoin really going to make the (currently limited) 3 signer multisig non-standard?
Wouldnt that effectively make multisig unusable?
Bare multisig is already unusable. Filtering out abuses would be possible without filtering all bare multisig anyway.
P2SH multisig (which actually has potential use) will continue to work in any case.
legendary
Activity: 1176
Merit: 1134
I am confused about multisig and its future.
Is bitcoin really going to make the (currently limited) 3 signer multisig non-standard?
Wouldnt that effectively make multisig unusable?
member
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just be here to show my support
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Quote from the Mastercoin forums:

Any comments from developers about Mastercoin and OP_RETURN changes? Can you fix mastercoin code working perfectly without that and how long it takes?

Neither with 80 nor 40 byte OP_RETURN was useful to store MSC data because of it's limited length. The Bitcoin core devs were furthermore discussing to drop multisig transactions in their current form as standard transaction type. The MSC devs are acting proactive and are working on a new encoding scheme right now. I see it very positive, because this will yield something even more sophisticated.
newbie
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FWIW, if there are any developers interested in keeping Counterparty going once multisig abuse filters are in place, there is no reason the recommended plan cannot work with a fork of Counterparty instead of the original developers.

This is quite horrifying. Correct me if I'm wrong, Luke. But it sounds like you'd be quite happy to see the death of Counterparty at this point. Are the lines of communication now closed between yourself and the Counterparty developers? Is there even a part of you that sees value in what we're trying to achieve here?
A Counterparty dev has closed lines of communication.

Even if Counterparty dies, the Freimarket folks will be providing a replacement (if not an upgrade).
I also hold no Counterparty assets myself.
So no, I see no value to Counterparty specifically, just the functionality - which is already being worked on independently.
It's the Counterparty users who will lose out, unfortunately, unless someone steps up to move it forward.
fool
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Luke Jr. is getting so much offense here (justified or not)... How would you react?
Everyone think about how you communicate things!
 
sr. member
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Counterparty Chief Scientist and Co-Founder
FWIW, if there are any developers interested in keeping Counterparty going once multisig abuse filters are in place, there is no reason the recommended plan cannot work with a fork of Counterparty instead of the original developers.

This is quite horrifying. Correct me if I'm wrong, Luke. But it sounds like you'd be quite happy to see the death of Counterparty at this point. Are the lines of communication now closed between yourself and the Counterparty developers? Is there even a part of you that sees value in what we're trying to achieve here?
A Counterparty dev has closed lines of communication.

Even if Counterparty dies, the Freimarket folks will be providing a replacement (if not an upgrade).
I also hold no Counterparty assets myself.
So no, I see no value to Counterparty specifically, just the functionality - which is already being worked on independently.
It's the Counterparty users who will lose out, unfortunately, unless someone steps up to move it forward.

None of the Counterparty devs has 'closed lines of communication' to you, and talking about Counterparty 'dying' is ridiculous.
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