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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 358. (Read 1277015 times)

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EDIT: I will also that ask that you and Luke-Jr discuss the Coiledcoin 51% attack accusations separately from this thread, if that's okay.

No, I believe the Coiledcoin attack should be a part of this discussion. I would never have known about it if it hadn't been brought up, so I investigated what happened. What Luke-jr did to Coiledcoin was similar to a bully on the beach coming along and kicking apart a sand castle some kids were in the middle of building, saying it was in the way of people walking on the beach as justification. He used computing resources which did not belong to him, but were entrusted to his care, to sabotage another project.

This discussion has shown some serious problems with Bitcoin, a high degree of consolidation of centralized control, which needs to be addressed. Proof of work mining was the main turn-off as a gross waste of resources and energy when I first learned about Bitcoin. It would be good if Counterparty and Mastercoin could migrate away from Bitcoin, preferably to a PoS or proof of contribution blockchain.

Can somebody post some credible sources about the coiledcoin event? I currently mine via Eligius and would like to reconsider if this is being accurately portrayed.

More generally, I think pools should be a lot more aggressive about differentiating themselves politically, so small-time miners can 'vote' to support the kind of bitcoin we want. (Though I also understand Adam Back's point, that the miners aren't all that important in comparison to the 'political' clout of the people simply running a node, I still think there's some signal in supporting certain pools over others).
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It was great speaking to you halfcab123. All the best and let me know if there is anything I can help you with.

i second that, halfcab is a great guy:) not only that but this community has impressed me with the way it handled the recent situation, kudos!
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So if I understand correctly the pyrpcwallet does not require a bitcoin blockchain sync ? Can someone please link me to this Huh And I assume there's docs for it Huh
Here is the link to pyrcwallet.
https://forums.counterparty.co/index.php/topic,166.0.html
The instructions seem to be for Mac(brew). If anyone figures it out for Windows/Linux let me know.
EDIT: See instructions from Jahpowered bit (on the last page) for installing sqllite without brew.
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So if I understand correctly the pyrpcwallet does not require a bitcoin blockchain sync ? Can someone please link me to this Huh And I assume there's docs for it Huh
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It was great speaking to you halfcab123. All the best and let me know if there is anything I can help you with.
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why is not the ideal solution?
how long does counter party have to implement it? more so, the question,
when is luke JR getting rid of multisig?
how quickly qould it take development wise to change to something like that miltisig p2sh


1) The implementation complexity is greater than with OP_RETURN.
2) The fees are higher, too.
3) You are still creating outputs that are not immediately provably prunable.
4) It's generally hackish.

jgarzik, for one, would probably dislike the idea of using P2SH because of 3) and 4), I'd guess.

On the other hand, both P2SH and bare multi-sig give us a lot more space to work with than 80 bytes, so in the long run, unless the size of the OP_RETURN space gets increased dramatically, we also have a significant incentive to keep putting our data in fake ECDSA public keys.

There's no rush at all to move away bare multi-sig, which it has not been decided to retire anyway. It won't take long to start using other encoding methods, and I'm working on this (including pay-to-pubkeyhash) right now anyway.

PhantomPhreak,
are you in contact with the btc core devs so that there will no be any kind of negative surprise that Counterparty can not adapt to fast enough?

Yes. Of course, Bitcoin Core is entirely open source, and dramatic changes to the functionality of the software are always knowable in advance. (Unfortunately, we missed the merging of the 40-byte OP_RETURN into Bitcoin Core.) Code for getting around the disabling of bare multisig outputs will be out very soon, just in case, though.

good that I didnt sell any Smiley
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Why not just use the official windows binaries? That would be the fastest way to get boottleXCP up and running.  They are on github repo, I don't have the exact link at hand though

What happens when you use the windows binaries and then there's an update? Counterparty won't run unless it's up to date right and then you have to rely on someone to keep building binaries up to date with the latest commits or version updates

Can someone correct me ?

Under Windows, you can always manually update the counterpartyd daemon embedded in BoottleXCP by getting the latest counterpartyd master ZIP file from github and extracting it into the following location (overwriting existing files):

 %APPDATA%\Boottle000\0010FL\Python33\BoottleXCP\counterpartyd

 or

 C:\Documents and Settings\USERNAME\Application Data\Boottle000\0010FL\Python33\BoottleXCP\counterpartyd

Hopefully, BoottleXCP should soon have the built-in ability to update counterpartyd to the latest version in a click.
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Such an awesome surprise! So this means we can expect many more great things Smiley
Kudos, Jah!   Best news in a while.
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Is there any reason why

Code:
run.py counterpartyd server

Would throw a syntax error?
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JahPowerBit, developer of BootleXCP and pyrpcwallet, will join Counterparty full-time.

https://www.counterparty.co/fulltime-developer-counterparty/


to the mooon!
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Why not just use the official windows binaries? That would be the fastest way to get boottleXCP up and running.  They are on github repo, I don't have the exact link at hand though
http://www.reddit.com/r/xcp/comments/1zzhyg/
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Why not just use the official windows binaries? That would be the fastest way to get boottleXCP up and running.  They are on github repo, I don't have the exact link at hand though

What happens when you use the windows binaries and then there's an update? Counterparty won't run unless it's up to date right and then you have to rely on someone to keep building binaries up to date with the latest commits or version updates

Can someone correct me ?
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Why not just use the official windows binaries? That would be the fastest way to get boottleXCP up and running.  They are on github repo, I don't have the exact link at hand though
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You have windows right?  To be honest if people can trust me I'll do remote sessions and help people set this up. I used to do remote sessions for my business for 3 years+

That being said I am going to try and get started on my video tutorials covering Linux window and mac

I'm trying the build from source instructions one more time,  I'm on the APSW step now.  Thank you for the kind reply.  Do you mind if I PM you for help?

Not at all. Anyone who needs helps feel free to let me know.
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You have windows right?  To be honest if people can trust me I'll do remote sessions and help people set this up. I used to do remote sessions for my business for 3 years+

That being said I am going to try and get started on my video tutorials covering Linux window and mac

I'm trying the build from source instructions one more time,  I'm on the APSW step now.  Thank you for the kind reply.  Do you mind if I PM you for help?
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I'm disappointed at the ease of use after this long.  I burned with the web wallet but I'm still struggling to actually move my XCP anywhere or do anything with it.  That's definitely holding the value of this down...real people can't do anything except speculate while it's sitting in an exchange.


on the other hand it Equally Might be holding the price up as its not so easy to move the coins into exchanges- , counter wallet is out soonish, not long too wait and find out

Sorry but that is a completely ridiculous argument.  That means that you're hoping that locking people's money up who aren't tech savvy enough to sell it is a good idea for the overall health of the coin.  It's frankly absurd that in 3 months a decent GUI can't be produced; or even Windows based instructions for Boottle.

The last thing you can say is that development is slow here. It's a world first, practically 7 weeks old or maybe 6 since the burn was over with unsurpassed achievements and progress.

do you want the community to also buy some XCPs for you? or a wallet will be enough?  
facepalm.

You have windows right?  To be honest if people can trust me I'll do remote sessions and help people set this up. I used to do remote sessions for my business for 3 years+

That being said I am going to try and get started on my video tutorials covering Linux window and mac
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why is not the ideal solution?
how long does counter party have to implement it? more so, the question,
when is luke JR getting rid of multisig?
how quickly qould it take development wise to change to something like that miltisig p2sh


1) The implementation complexity is greater than with OP_RETURN.
2) The fees are higher, too.
3) You are still creating outputs that are not immediately provably prunable.
4) It's generally hackish.

jgarzik, for one, would probably dislike the idea of using P2SH because of 3) and 4), I'd guess.

On the other hand, both P2SH and bare multi-sig give us a lot more space to work with than 80 bytes, so in the long run, unless the size of the OP_RETURN space gets increased dramatically, we also have a significant incentive to keep putting our data in fake ECDSA public keys.

There's no rush at all to move away bare multi-sig, which it has not been decided to retire anyway. It won't take long to start using other encoding methods, and I'm working on this (including pay-to-pubkeyhash) right now anyway.

PhantomPhreak,
are you in contact with the btc core devs so that there will no be any kind of negative surprise that Counterparty can not adapt to fast enough?

Yes. Of course, Bitcoin Core is entirely open source, and dramatic changes to the functionality of the software are always knowable in advance. (Unfortunately, we missed the merging of the 40-byte OP_RETURN into Bitcoin Core.) Code for getting around the disabling of bare multisig outputs will be out very soon, just in case, though.
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I'm disappointed at the ease of use after this long.  I burned with the web wallet but I'm still struggling to actually move my XCP anywhere or do anything with it.  That's definitely holding the value of this down...real people can't do anything except speculate while it's sitting in an exchange.


on the other hand it Equally Might be holding the price up as its not so easy to move the coins into exchanges- , counter wallet is out soonish, not long too wait and find out

Sorry but that is a completely ridiculous argument.  That means that you're hoping that locking people's money up who aren't tech savvy enough to sell it is a good idea for the overall health of the coin.  It's frankly absurd that in 3 months a decent GUI can't be produced; or even Windows based instructions for Boottle.

The last thing you can say is that development is slow here. It's a world first, practically 7 weeks old or maybe 6 since the burn was over with unsurpassed achievements and progress.

do you want the community to also buy some XCPs for you? or a wallet will be enough?  
facepalm.
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I'm disappointed at the ease of use after this long.  I burned with the web wallet but I'm still struggling to actually move my XCP anywhere or do anything with it.  That's definitely holding the value of this down...real people can't do anything except speculate while it's sitting in an exchange.


on the other hand it Equally Might be holding the price up as its not so easy to move the coins into exchanges- , counter wallet is out soonish, not long too wait and find out

Sorry but that is a completely ridiculous argument.  That means that you're hoping that locking people's money up who aren't tech savvy enough to sell it is a good idea for the overall health of the coin.  It's frankly absurd that in 3 months a decent GUI can't be produced; or even Windows based instructions for Boottle.

The last thing you can say is that development is slow here. It's a world first, practically 7 weeks old or maybe 6 since the burn was over with unsurpassed achievements and progress.

do you want the community to also buy some XCPs for you? or will a wallet be enough?  
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