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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 390. (Read 1277011 times)

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I don't think the fee should be destroyed. It would be a much better idea to pay it to Bitcoin miners or XCP holders. No? Maybe I don't understand it well enough.

But yeah 5 xcp seems a bit much.

Destroying the fee is paying it to XCP holders.


Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto - June 21, 2010
"Lost coins only make everyone else’s coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."

PS: I'd say 1 XCP for new assets. I like round & prime numbers. I'm afraid to see a wave a spam issuances like COKE/CRACK/METH/DILDO/FRENCHGIRL coming from the same guy if you lower it too much...




I am of the same view as well. We need to reduce the fees to encourage businesses, however at the same time not lower it too much that there will be spam issuances and asset squatting. Which will stand in the way of legitimate businesses and users.
1 XCP seems about right (Nxt has an issuance fee of 1000 Nxt).

People go through the day speaking an average of maybe 2000 english words - at 1 XCP per asset it is far too little, even 5 is too little.
It should be the like of 50 or 100 IMO. And the line about being in the way of legitimate businesses is pure bogus - there is no legitimate business that cannot afford 100 xcp.

Bitcoin Tangible Trust, if you want to issue an asset for a fully-redeemable silver coin that costs you, say, $20 to buy and put into custody?  How does a 5 XCP asset issuance fee effect the end price that you need to charge a customer to buy this silver coin?  

EDIT:  OK, I just did the math.  5 XCP = $32 @ 0.01 BTC/XCP and $640 BTC/USD.  So, basically at 5 XCP issuance fee you would need to charge $52 for a silver coin that otherwise could be purchased from a coin dealer for $20.  So, yes, from my basic analysis, this seems like a blockage, at least for BTT's business model anyways.

EDIT: Porqupine, maybe you see / understand something that I am missing?  Can you please elaborate?  Interested to better understand your perspective, as you always have such good postings on this list.

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I don't think the fee should be destroyed. It would be a much better idea to pay it to Bitcoin miners or XCP holders. No? Maybe I don't understand it well enough.

But yeah 5 xcp seems a bit much.

Destroying the fee is paying it to XCP holders.


Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto - June 21, 2010
"Lost coins only make everyone else’s coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."

PS: I'd say 1 XCP for new assets. I like round & prime numbers. I'm afraid to see a wave a spam issuances like COKE/CRACK/METH/DILDO/FRENCHGIRL coming from the same guy if you lower it too much...


I am of the same view as well. We need to reduce the fees to encourage businesses, however at the same time not lower it too much that there will be spam issuances and asset squatting. Which will stand in the way of legitimate businesses and users.
1 XCP seems about right (Nxt has an issuance fee of 1000 Nxt).

People go through the day speaking an average of maybe 2000 english words - at 1 XCP per asset it is far too little, even 5 is too little.
It should be the like of 50 or 100 IMO. And the line about being in the way of legitimate businesses is pure bogus - there is no legitimate business that cannot afford 100 xcp.
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I don't think the fee should be destroyed. It would be a much better idea to pay it to Bitcoin miners or XCP holders. No? Maybe I don't understand it well enough.

But yeah 5 xcp seems a bit much.

Destroying the fee is paying it to XCP holders.


Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto - June 21, 2010
"Lost coins only make everyone else’s coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."

PS: I'd say 1 XCP for new assets. I like round & prime numbers. I'm afraid to see a wave a spam issuances like COKE/CRACK/METH/DILDO/FRENCHGIRL coming from the same guy if you lower it too much...


I am of the same view as well. We need to reduce the fees to encourage businesses, however at the same time not lower it too much that there will be spam issuances and asset squatting. Which will stand in the way of legitimate businesses and users.
1 XCP seems about right (Nxt has an issuance fee of 1000 Nxt).
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Now you can trade XCP for CNY: https://bter.com/trade/xcp_cny

To the moon! Smiley
Can someone explain to me the significance of this.
Can you directly deposit/withdraw CNY into BTER?
Atleast on the english version of the site, this does not appear to be available. So, the user would need to convert back to BTC to withdraw/deposit. Which in turn is the same as a BTC/XCP pair.
Perhaps someone in China can explain this better.
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I don't think the fee should be destroyed. It would be a much better idea to pay it to Bitcoin miners or XCP holders. No? Maybe I don't understand it well enough.

But yeah 5 xcp seems a bit much.

Destroying the fee is paying it to XCP holders.


Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto - June 21, 2010
"Lost coins only make everyone else’s coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."

PS: I'd say 1 XCP for new assets. I like round & prime numbers. I'm afraid to see a wave a spam issuances like COKE/CRACK/METH/DILDO/FRENCHGIRL coming from the same guy if you lower it too much...

Fear stifles our thinking and actions. It creates indecisiveness that results in stagnation. I have known talented people who procrastinate indefinitely rather than risk failure. Lost opportunities cause erosion of confidence, and the downward spiral begins. Charles Stanley

Let's keep it at 0.5 and agree to monitor the risk of SPAM issuances going forward. This platform is iterating quickly. Let's not let our fears hold others back from building and increasing our XCP value. Also, Phantom did say we will have Proof of Stake voting in the near future so I am optimistic SPAM won't stop serious companies from launching successful assets.

Let there be more Bountyful Counterparty Assets!
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Proposal to temporarily lower hard-coded asset issuance fee to 0.5 XCP: cross-post from Counterparty forums

The team at BitcoinTangibleTrust would find this immensely of benefit to helping get new customers onto our Digital Gold Coin Offerings powered by XCP!

We have a special promotion for Counterparty members we'd like to launch this week and a 0.5 XCP fee would lower our marketing costs immensely.

Thank you PhantomPhreak and the Counterparty Dev Team!
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I don't think the fee should be destroyed. It would be a much better idea to pay it to Bitcoin miners or XCP holders. No? Maybe I don't understand it well enough.

Destroying the fee is paying it to XCP holders.

destroying the fee is good for XCP holders! totaly agree!
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I don't think the fee should be destroyed. It would be a much better idea to pay it to Bitcoin miners or XCP holders. No? Maybe I don't understand it well enough.

But yeah 5 xcp seems a bit much.

Destroying the fee is paying it to XCP holders.


Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto - June 21, 2010
"Lost coins only make everyone else’s coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."

PS: I'd say 1 XCP for new assets. I like round & prime numbers. I'm afraid to see a wave a spam issuances like COKE/CRACK/METH/DILDO/FRENCHGIRL coming from the same guy if you lower it too much...

FRENCHGIRL ? We have plenty on this thread already, no need to issue more. Or the fee should be 10000 XCP for people with real mental disorder that would really consider it.
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Proposal to temporarily lower hard-coded asset issuance fee to 0.5 XCP: cross-post from Counterparty forums

Do you mean that it will temporarily be lowered to 0.5 XCP and be raised back up, or that it may again be lowered later?

It may be changed again later, and it will be switched to being determined by proof-of-stake voting.

As of 99% of what you do PP, it makes sense.
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I don't think the fee should be destroyed. It would be a much better idea to pay it to Bitcoin miners or XCP holders. No? Maybe I don't understand it well enough.

But yeah 5 xcp seems a bit much.

Destroying the fee is paying it to XCP holders.


Quote from: Satoshi Nakamoto - June 21, 2010
"Lost coins only make everyone else’s coins worth slightly more. Think of it as a donation to everyone."

PS: I'd say 1 XCP for new assets. I like round & prime numbers. I'm afraid to see a wave a spam issuances like COKE/CRACK/METH/DILDO/FRENCHGIRL coming from the same guy if you lower it too much...
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I don't think the fee should be destroyed. It would be a much better idea to pay it to Bitcoin miners or XCP holders. No? Maybe I don't understand it well enough.

But yeah 5 xcp seems a bit much.

Destroying the fee is paying it to XCP holders.

Yes deflation
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I don't think the fee should be destroyed. It would be a much better idea to pay it to Bitcoin miners or XCP holders. No? Maybe I don't understand it well enough.

But yeah 5 xcp seems a bit much.

Destroying the fee is paying it to XCP holders.
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I don't think the fee should be destroyed. It would be a much better idea to pay it to Bitcoin miners or XCP holders. No? Maybe I don't understand it well enough.

But yeah 5 xcp seems a bit much.
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Proposal to temporarily lower hard-coded asset issuance fee to 0.5 XCP: cross-post from Counterparty forums

Do you mean that it will temporarily be lowered to 0.5 XCP and be raised back up, or that it may again be lowered later?

It may be changed again later, and it will be switched to being determined by proof-of-stake voting.
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Proposal to temporarily lower hard-coded asset issuance fee to 0.5 XCP: cross-post from Counterparty forums

Do you mean that it will temporarily be lowered to 0.5 XCP and be raised back up, or that it may again be lowered later?
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Counterparty Chief Scientist and Co-Founder
Proposal to temporarily lower hard-coded asset issuance fee to 0.5 XCP: cross-post from Counterparty forums
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I think that making an intro video interviewing people is going to be a bit boring and you are going to be losing peoples interest.
Most people have an attention span of 20-30 seconds.

The best method of marketing right now is making it dead-simple. Bright colors, simple graphics, etc.

Just like the animated what is bitcoin video; it needs to be short, concise and entertaining.
Time for interviews and real use-cases can come later. In my opinion it would be foolish to lay the "counterparty is the way of the future, now listen to these guys tell you why" deal on the unwashed masses just yet.

Start simple, friendly animated and colorful graphics, pleasant background music, some voice-over with bullet/point form of the features and potential uses of the protocol.

Answer these questions; What, Who, Where, When, Why:
  • What: a method of creating complex transactions and financial derivatives among other things as well as storing and sending wealth.
  • Who: Originally made by a team of developers, CP is open-source and developed by the community.
  • Where: Counterparty can be run from any computer connected to the internet. No need for banks, brokers and exchanges.
  • When: Counterparty is two months old, still in its infancy, with a very bright future ahead.
  • Why: The current de-facto method of transfering and storing wealth online (bitcoin) is great, but is limited in scope. Where bitcoin aims to replace corrupt and malicious financial systems, counterparty aims to replace many corrupt pillars of the financial world entirely in a safe and secure manner.

In fact, if you can directly emulate the animated what is bitcoin video it would be most successful.

+1

Should be like, Sell me this pen.
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I think that making an intro video interviewing people is going to be a bit boring and you are going to be losing peoples interest.
Most people have an attention span of 20-30 seconds.

The best method of marketing right now is making it dead-simple. Bright colors, simple graphics, etc.

Just like the animated what is bitcoin video; it needs to be short, concise and entertaining.
Time for interviews and real use-cases can come later. In my opinion it would be foolish to lay the "counterparty is the way of the future, now listen to these guys tell you why" deal on the unwashed masses just yet.

Start simple, friendly animated and colorful graphics, pleasant background music, some voice-over with bullet/point form of the features and potential uses of the protocol.

Answer these questions; What, Who, Where, When, Why:
  • What: a method of creating complex transactions and financial derivatives among other things as well as storing and sending wealth.
  • Who: Originally made by a team of developers, CP is open-source and developed by the community.
  • Where: Counterparty can be run from any computer connected to the internet. No need for banks, brokers and exchanges.
  • When: Counterparty is two months old, still in its infancy, with a very bright future ahead.
  • Why: The current de-facto method of transfering and storing wealth online (bitcoin) is great, but is limited in scope. Where bitcoin aims to replace corrupt and malicious financial systems, counterparty aims to replace many corrupt pillars of the financial world entirely in a safe and secure manner.

In fact, if you can directly emulate the animated what is bitcoin video it would be most successful.

Ok so after watching the bitcoin video several times I've come to the conclusion that, in its extreme detail it is outside the scope of my abilities, I can definitely do a real film but the animated short that I would out together would look like but be notably shorter and much better than this How Bitcoin Works Under the Hood: http://youtu.be/Lx9zgZCMqXE

I can do something like that, that is shorter and higher quality ... I think certainly based on the incredible feedback you guys have given I would like to make 3 or 4 different videos based on your suggested approaches.

Edit: is xnova or someone of technical knowledge in direct relation to counterparty willing to do a Skype or phone consultation before I begin storyboarding ?
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