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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 54. (Read 1276786 times)

legendary
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haven't read last pages of thread, but I saw chris derose bashing smart contracts telling everyone that they are overrated and overhyped. but wait. couple of weeks ago when we had a leak about that eth-type smart contracts coming to counterparty, and afaik chris told "smart contracts hitting mainnet soon". this look like he's inconsistent with his statements. can anyone clarify this for me? Thanks.

He was talking specifically about Turing complete smart contracts, and has since corrected himself: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/4clyxv/smart_contracts_blockchains_solution_for_the/d1jcx0l

Mind you, most people don't need smart contracts currently -- at least, they aren't actively clamoring for them. It's definitely a cool concept, but the real world applications of it, where these things actually help to route around some current economic inefficiency, other than what Bitcoin already does, haven't been presented very clearly. There may well be potential here, but a lot of the current talk, especially with Ethereum, seems to be hype.
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Happy mother of 5 children
i cannot speak on Chris' behalf but I think the article was taken out of context. his point is that smart contracts can do a few things very well - - - but for many purposes (that are hyped today) they will be slow, expensive and impractical.

IMO smart contracts will open up a lot of new use cases to the existing Counterparty asset system and DEX, e.g. options and futures.
member
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Happy mother of 5 children
Counterparty is THE asset platform. Almost 50,000 different assets have been issued on Counterparty. It's tested and it works. You can choose between several wallets and it's integrated with Bitcoin.
AFAIK Ethereum does not have a global asset system.
legendary
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Just a gentle reminding: Counterparty smart contract is not on mainnet yet. That's the key point. How can you say "counterparty is better than Etherium" at this moment?

Because it's more secure and more user friendly.
It's better in those aspects and once included the smart contracts it will be better globally

ed: Ethereum is bullshit now, but it will be awesome.
People invest in what it will be
legendary
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Just a gentle reminding: Counterparty smart contract is not on mainnet yet. That's the key point. How can you say "counterparty is better than Etherium" at this moment?
legendary
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Ok!!

Devs and Social Media Managers of XCP,

Now its your turn

Here you have the contact mails:
[email protected]
[email protected].
[email protected]   

The twitters:
@CoinTelegraph
@coindesk
@newsbtc   
@CryptoCoinsNews 

The message:
Counterparty is better than Ethereum: More Secure and More Userfriendly
We would like to explain you why!

Simple, clear and catchy



Then you give the interview and remember what?
repeat atleast 3 times the message
Counterparty is better than Ethereum: More Secure and More Userfriendly
sr. member
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Sorry did you said that...
Counterparty is better than Ethereum: More Secure and More Userfriendly?
 Cheesy   Tongue



 Media.          Their btctalk thread.                               The person to contact. Their mail and Twitter.

Cointelegraph     https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=781038.0       [email protected]  (I have direct contact with spanish franchise manager)
Coindesk             www.coindesk.com   @coindesk   [email protected].
Newsbtc                 www.newsbtc.com          @newsbtc        [email protected]   
Cryptocoinnews      https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com      @CryptoCoinsNews                       https://www.youtube.com/user/cryptocoinsnews
Paid press release https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/submit-a-bitcoin-press-release/  (we could put money together to pay it)


The message
Counterparty is better than Ethereum: More Secure and More Userfriendly
We would like to explain you why!








opss I almost forgot it

Counterparty is better than Ethereum: More Secure and More Userfriendly

Quote
repeat atleast 3 times the message an each post
    Cheesy

Counterparty is better than Ethereum: More Secure and More Userfriendly

Quote
the more you repeat, the better
   Wink
legendary
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There is foundation election soon. Maybe we must vote that candidate who have best marketing strategy ideas...

That sounds good but it sounds so far.

Ethereum hype is now.

Once the hype is finished it will be much more difficult.



The only thing that eth has is a bunch of filthy rich bagholders that are all organized togheter to make volume and keep a "stable" super inflated artificial price.

Not sure about the organized and stable price, but anyways, we need to attact those filthy rich bagholders.

I'm sure that if they discover that

Quote
Counterparty is better than Ethereum: More Secure and More Userfriendly

they will buy a lot of XCP!!!



Now to work:


 Media.          Their btctalk thread.                               The person to contact. Their mail and Twitter.

Cointelegraph     https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cointelegraph-media-group-advertise-for-bitcoin-781038       [email protected]
Coindesk
Newsbtc
Cryptocoinnews
AltcoinToday








And Remember:

repeat atleast 3 times the message an each interview

Quote
Counterparty is better than Ethereum: More Secure and More Userfriendly

the more you repeat, the better

you may sound silly, but they'll get the message clearly.
legendary
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Merit: 1047

Ethereum           $918M
Counterparty         $4M

It makes no sense.

What are the differences?

Better marketing
More exchanges


Time to focus on having more exposure!!!

Media and Chinese exchanges
The only thing that eth has is a bunch of filthy rich bagholders that are all organized togheter to make volume and keep a "stable" super inflated artificial price.
full member
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If Ethereum is not 200 times better than XCP is time to do something.  Angry


First is the crypto community.

We need to make a list of the btc media. The person to contact. Their mail and Twitter. Their btctalk thread.

Once we have that list, we send them all the same message.


Quote
Counterparty is better than Ethereum: More Secure and More Userfriendly
We would like to explain you why!


This is called Guerrilla Marketing. We dont have their budget, but can also hit the fucking media


Remember:

repeat atleast 3 times the message an each interview

the more you repeat, the better

you may sound silly, but they'll get the message clearly.


+1

There is foundation election soon. Maybe we must vote that candidate who have best marketing strategy ideas...
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1025
If Ethereum is not 200 times better than XCP is time to do something.  Angry


First is the crypto community.

We need to make a list of the btc media. The person to contact. Their mail and Twitter. Their btctalk thread.

Once we have that list, we send them all the same message.


Quote
Counterparty is better than Ethereum: More Secure and More Userfriendly
We would like to explain you why!


This is called Guerrilla Marketing. We dont have their budget, but can also hit the fucking media


Remember:

repeat atleast 3 times the message an each interview

the more you repeat, the better

you may sound silly, but they'll get the message clearly.
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 250

Ethereum           $918M
Counterparty         $4M

It makes no sense.

What are the differences?

Better marketing
More exchanges


Time to focus on having more exposure!!!

Media and Chinese exchanges
legendary
Activity: 2338
Merit: 1047
Or you could focus on fixing the darn locking bug, at this rate darkclam will get out of xcp without ever locking it.
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1025
Well, Counterparty is more secure than Ethereum and that's a pretty simple message.

Counterparty is more secure and user friendly than Ethereum  



Is that statement true?

If its true I would use that

Security is very important for everyone, and if its more user friendly suggest it will be adopted by more people.


ed:

Complete message:

Counterparty is better than Ethereum: More Secure and More Userfriendly



ed2: Hit the media and repeat atleast 3 times the message an each interview

the more you repeat, the better

you may sound silly, but they'll get the message clearly.
hero member
Activity: 647
Merit: 510
Counterpartying
Well, Counterparty is more secure than Ethereum and that's a pretty simple message.
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1025
XCP needs to get into the mainstream media

the message: We are better than Ethereum


start from btcmedia to mainstream media

Sounds pretty childish to take that approach. The technology arguments would be a lot more effective.

speaking tech arguments to non-tech people doesnt sound smarter...

you need to adapt your arguments to your audience.

Simple audience, simple message

the message: We are better than Ethereum
legendary
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he who has the gold makes the rules
if xcp runs on top of btc, then wouldn't overload and pollute the btc blockchain if it became successful?  or is it like ftc, that only locks in one chksum of the sidechain every 10 minutes, reducing the effect on bitcoin?

Luke-jr may not like it, but if they're paying their transaction fees...

with just transferring BTC in the BTC network, the tx fees become burdensome fast.  this is the problem that occurred when the price went up to $1200.  All of a sudden it became "cheaper" to use Visa/Mastercard.

imagine having to pay a large group of people with BTC, the costs would be very very high.

now imagine that all of those people have some meta-token using XCP.  the XCP system knows who they are and only requires 1 BTC transaction to do a pay all payment to the entire group

http://counterparty.io/docs/pay_distribution/

this saves a lot of tx fees and unnecessary BTC transactions.

so yes perhaps XCP does "pollute" in some case, but in other cases it allows for efficiencies that help BTC network squeeze more TX into 1 block that it otherwise could never achieve.

another use case, which has not been developed is the payment of recurring subscription services.

in this case a user address would send a "subscribe" type message to another address, or a smart contract, which would mark his address with a subscription token which presumably would be used to give access to some online service or content.  the contract would then deduct some amount of XCP (or SJCX or BCY ) at set block intervals specified in the contract.  The contract would also know to delete the seubscription token if the subscriber address ever defaulted on payment (did not have enough funds to make the scheduled payment).

in this case, it would allow the bitcoin network to support possibly millions of subscription transactions over long periods of time, without needing to do a btc transaction each month.  that allows BTC to scale to handle more transactional capacity without having to do large increases in blocksize which some people are again.

Couldn't one create a "send to many" transaction in his wallet? I think every wallet offers that possibility now. Does have counterparty advantages there? I think the resulting btc transaction should have the same size like it was done on the bitcoin network only, right?

Regarding fees... the blocksize restriction will make fees only worse when price is rising. You surely can say that the fee structure will not be sat down since too many people feel we need higher fees to pay the miners. In fact we would need less miners because the too high reward led to the current situation of too many miners competing.

i thought the send to many has limitations as to how many address you can squeeze in (25?).

so if I have an XCP coin that say 500,000 people own some piece of, and i want to pay a dividend.  in XCP i can use the "pay all" code and just send one transaction to the network, not to all 500,000 addresses.

explain to me now how your method has the same economics as this method?  

my way using XCP has 1 tx, your way would result in 500,000 transactions...  am i missing something here?

thus, if what you say comes true "blocksize restriction will make fees only worse when price is rising"; then I am correct in saying that there is a significant advantage to using smart contract and the already built-in smart contracts (i.e., pay all) within counterparty.

furthermore, this does not exist yet, but once the EVM is running, it would I think be cheaper and possible to create transactions via smart contract that execute the distribution of some tokens based on external files in another block chain.

so therefor one could allocate value without needing to do tons of transactions. 

a very good example of this would be paying miners. 

right now miners get paid in all sorts of different coins, but the main one still being bitcoin.

this obviously has transaction costs associated with for the mining pool, which I assume get passed on to miners, or miners must wait some time until their payout is big enough - in which case they have counterparty risk.

if the miner were given an option to accept some sort of meta-token that represents something of value USDCoin, BTCProxyCoin, SJCX, XCP, whatever... at large scale payouts could happen with less bloat.  As the contract would reference some locator info meta data to another blockchain (say on SJCX) and the XCP software would interface with that blockchain to retrieve that information to calculate payments.

but i'm getting way ahead of the state of the art of this industry...

sr. member
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XCP needs to get into the mainstream media

the message: We are better than Ethereum


start from btcmedia to mainstream media

Sounds pretty childish to take that approach. The technology arguments would be a lot more effective.
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1025
XCP needs to get into the mainstream media

the message: We are better than Ethereum


start from btcmedia to mainstream media
legendary
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Merit: 1083
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if xcp runs on top of btc, then wouldn't overload and pollute the btc blockchain if it became successful?  or is it like ftc, that only locks in one chksum of the sidechain every 10 minutes, reducing the effect on bitcoin?

Luke-jr may not like it, but if they're paying their transaction fees...

with just transferring BTC in the BTC network, the tx fees become burdensome fast.  this is the problem that occurred when the price went up to $1200.  All of a sudden it became "cheaper" to use Visa/Mastercard.

imagine having to pay a large group of people with BTC, the costs would be very very high.

now imagine that all of those people have some meta-token using XCP.  the XCP system knows who they are and only requires 1 BTC transaction to do a pay all payment to the entire group

http://counterparty.io/docs/pay_distribution/

this saves a lot of tx fees and unnecessary BTC transactions.

so yes perhaps XCP does "pollute" in some case, but in other cases it allows for efficiencies that help BTC network squeeze more TX into 1 block that it otherwise could never achieve.

another use case, which has not been developed is the payment of recurring subscription services.

in this case a user address would send a "subscribe" type message to another address, or a smart contract, which would mark his address with a subscription token which presumably would be used to give access to some online service or content.  the contract would then deduct some amount of XCP (or SJCX or BCY ) at set block intervals specified in the contract.  The contract would also know to delete the seubscription token if the subscriber address ever defaulted on payment (did not have enough funds to make the scheduled payment).

in this case, it would allow the bitcoin network to support possibly millions of subscription transactions over long periods of time, without needing to do a btc transaction each month.  that allows BTC to scale to handle more transactional capacity without having to do large increases in blocksize which some people are again.

Couldn't one create a "send to many" transaction in his wallet? I think every wallet offers that possibility now. Does have counterparty advantages there? I think the resulting btc transaction should have the same size like it was done on the bitcoin network only, right?

Regarding fees... the blocksize restriction will make fees only worse when price is rising. You surely can say that the fee structure will not be sat down since too many people feel we need higher fees to pay the miners. In fact we would need less miners because the too high reward led to the current situation of too many miners competing.
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