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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 55. (Read 1276786 times)

legendary
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he who has the gold makes the rules
if xcp runs on top of btc, then wouldn't overload and pollute the btc blockchain if it became successful?  or is it like ftc, that only locks in one chksum of the sidechain every 10 minutes, reducing the effect on bitcoin?

Luke-jr may not like it, but if they're paying their transaction fees...

with just transferring BTC in the BTC network, the tx fees become burdensome fast.  this is the problem that occurred when the price went up to $1200.  All of a sudden it became "cheaper" to use Visa/Mastercard.

imagine having to pay a large group of people with BTC, the costs would be very very high.

now imagine that all of those people have some meta-token using XCP.  the XCP system knows who they are and only requires 1 BTC transaction to do a pay all payment to the entire group

http://counterparty.io/docs/pay_distribution/

this saves a lot of tx fees and unnecessary BTC transactions.

so yes perhaps XCP does "pollute" in some case, but in other cases it allows for efficiencies that help BTC network squeeze more TX into 1 block that it otherwise could never achieve.

another use case, which has not been developed is the payment of recurring subscription services.

in this case a user address would send a "subscribe" type message to another address, or a smart contract, which would mark his address with a subscription token which presumably would be used to give access to some online service or content.  the contract would then deduct some amount of XCP (or SJCX or BCY ) at set block intervals specified in the contract.  The contract would also know to delete the seubscription token if the subscriber address ever defaulted on payment (did not have enough funds to make the scheduled payment).

in this case, it would allow the bitcoin network to support possibly millions of subscription transactions over long periods of time, without needing to do a btc transaction each month.  that allows BTC to scale to handle more transactional capacity without having to do large increases in blocksize which some people are again.
legendary
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if xcp runs on top of btc, then wouldn't overload and pollute the btc blockchain if it became successful?  or is it like ftc, that only locks in one chksum of the sidechain every 10 minutes, reducing the effect on bitcoin?

Luke-jr may not like it, but if they're paying their transaction fees...
member
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liberty
if xcp runs on top of btc, then wouldn't overload and pollute the btc blockchain if it became successful?  or is it like ftc, that only locks in one chksum of the sidechain every 10 minutes, reducing the effect on bitcoin?
member
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member
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hello, guys, where i can see list of currencies accepted by counterwallet?
full member
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As yourself said there is a demand, doesnt that increase its value? Besides the noble unspeaked reasons we have for bitcoin?

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Since every transaction in counterparty involves sending some assets from one address to another address using the bitcoin network, a tx fee is needed for the miner to add it to a block, success of counterparty will incur much more bitcoin transactions. And the users of the counterparty network will need to purchase bitcoin and put it to their addresses.

Many peoples criticize that Counterparty have really expensive transfers. IF Counterparty transfer amount grow so much that Bitcoin really need Counterparty for stay alive, are miners possible change their own rules and start take first cheaper Counterparty transactions same time with more expensive BTC transfers?
newbie
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As yourself said there is a demand, doesnt that increase its value? Besides the noble unspeaked reasons we have for bitcoin?
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Since every transaction in counterparty involves sending some assets from one address to another address using the bitcoin network, a tx fee is needed for the miner to add it to a block, success of counterparty will incur much more bitcoin transactions. And the users of the counterparty network will need to purchase bitcoin and put it to their addresses.
legendary
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BTC to XCP is like TCP/IP to HTTP

1)
HTTP was built on top of the TCP/IP protocol
Counterparty was built on top of bitcoin network/protocol

2)
http uses TCP/IP as the transport layer to transfer information
counterparty uses the bitcoin network as transport layer to transfer information.

Actually the value in counterparty are a kind of information. The value in any blockchain is a kind of information that include UXTOs, tx hash, digital signatures.

3)
HTTP does not necessarily need to be on TCP/IP. And theoretically, it can be built on top of UDP

Counterparty does not necessarily need to be on bitcoin network.
It can switch to whatever other blockchain, e.g Litecoin / Dash / Doge / Bytecoin through proof of burn. That is, you burn your XCP, and you will receive proportional amt of xcp in the new network
Any financial assets on counterparty can be transferred to another blockchain as well

4)
TCP/IP's value is only in its functionality to transfer data, nothing else
HTTP's value depends on the amount of web appllications that will ever be built to faciliate real world businesses

Bitcoin's value can only represent the hash power/ security of the network, nothing else
XCP's value depends on the amount of financial assets that will live on it and the amount of escrow that is needed for financial transaction on counterparty network and else

5)
http positively affect the usage/value of TCP/IP. More apps that make http calls, more usage of TCP/IP

counterparty positively affect the usage of bitcoin network and BTC value. More smart contracts on counterparty, more transactions on bitcoin network, more demand of bitcoin

6)
it is not feasible to build web apps directly on tcp/ip the transport layer, you have to build them on HTTP

it is not feasible to build smart contract, financial settlement directly on bitcoin network, you have to build in on counterparty
 
complex system are always in the hierarchical structure. In that sense, ethereum, rootstock both won't work

finally, bitcoin is the transport layer and counterparty is the application layer for a decentralized financial system
Bitcoin's value can only represent the hash power/ security of the network, nothing else

more transactions on bitcoin network, more demand of bitcoin

As yourself said there is a demand, doesnt that increase its value? Besides the noble unspeaked reasons we have for bitcoin?
newbie
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BTC to XCP is like TCP/IP to HTTP

1)
HTTP was built on top of the TCP/IP protocol
Counterparty was built on top of bitcoin network/protocol

2)
http uses TCP/IP as the transport layer to transfer information
counterparty uses the bitcoin network as transport layer to transfer information.

Actually the value in counterparty are a kind of information. The value in any blockchain is a kind of information that include UXTOs, tx hash, digital signatures.

3)
HTTP does not necessarily need to be on TCP/IP. And theoretically, it can be built on top of UDP

Counterparty does not necessarily need to be on bitcoin network.
It can switch to whatever other blockchain, e.g Litecoin / Dash / Doge / Bytecoin through proof of burn. That is, you burn your XCP, and you will receive proportional amt of xcp in the new network
Any financial assets on counterparty can be transferred to another blockchain as well

4)
TCP/IP's value is only in its functionality to transfer data, nothing else
TCP/IP consumes band width which is a major resource in the global communication network
HTTP's value depends on the amount of web appllications that will ever be built to faciliate real world businesses

Bitcoin's value can only represent the utility of a global cryptographic ledger, nothing else
XCP transactions consume bitcoin which represent the resource of a global secure ledger. Bitcoin's value is from hashing power, electricity, band width and etc
XCP's value depends on the amount of financial assets that will live on it and the amount of escrow that is needed for financial transaction on counterparty network and else

5)
http positively affect the usage/value of TCP/IP. More apps that make http calls, more usage of TCP/IP

counterparty positively affect the usage of bitcoin network and BTC value. More smart contracts on counterparty, more transactions on bitcoin network, more demand of bitcoin

6)
it is not feasible to build web apps directly on tcp/ip the transport layer, you have to build them on HTTP

it is not feasible to build smart contract, financial settlement directly on bitcoin network, you have to build in on counterparty
 
complex system are always in the hierarchical structure. In that sense, ethereum, rootstock both won't work

finally, bitcoin is the transport layer and counterparty is the application layer for a decentralized financial system
legendary
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I really liked xcp when it got out and as i mentioned many times i think this is awesome, id also suggest to look into the CIYAM AT, in my opinion it could be even better than eth.

Any idea if there is anyone trying to fix the locking problem?
legendary
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he who has the gold makes the rules
i'm looking for some people to mod the counterparty reddit that i own.

need to have experience with setting up a reddit, make it cool, etc.

PM me
hero member
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Counterpartying
Robby just mentioned in Slack that it would be a few months until Ethereum is on mainnet.

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regarding Ethereum on mainnet, a few or “some months” seems the most probable to initial testing. We will state more once we confidently know more and feel we can do so in good faith.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rgxwcdx42bssacl/Screenshot%202016-03-21%2015.37.14.png?dl=0


what does he mean by "ethereum on mainnet", does he mean that counterparty will have same smart contracts like ethereum within couple of months? thanks.

Yes. No problem.
sr. member
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Robby just mentioned in Slack that it would be a few months until Ethereum is on mainnet.

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regarding Ethereum on mainnet, a few or “some months” seems the most probable to initial testing. We will state more once we confidently know more and feel we can do so in good faith.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rgxwcdx42bssacl/Screenshot%202016-03-21%2015.37.14.png?dl=0


I really hope these guys pull it off, I always felt like Counterparty was an underappreciated project.
hero member
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Counterpartying
Robby just mentioned in Slack that it would be a few months until Ethereum is on mainnet.

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regarding Ethereum on mainnet, a few or “some months” seems the most probable to initial testing. We will state more once we confidently know more and feel we can do so in good faith.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rgxwcdx42bssacl/Screenshot%202016-03-21%2015.37.14.png?dl=0
sr. member
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newbie
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Just going to repost this again for some visibility

I think it's important for to get some visibility in the main altcoin discussion section, rather than be confined to this subsection, which many do not visit. We don't really get much new exposure. Other altcoins such as Monero, Ethereum and MAID are very visible there with prominent community discussion threads, inviting opportunities for new members unacquainted with the tech to peruse and  promoting intelligent discourse.

 Perhaps someone could start a Blockchain 2.0/Smart contracting thread examining and discussing the various platforms available for tokenizing and representing assets on chain, and then introduce the angle of smart securities.?

 I would certainly contribute to explain all about how counterparty fits into the ecosystem, how it compares to other offerings, strengths & weaknesses and what exactly it brings to the table. I'm newbie member so I think it's better coming from someone established but will probably make it soon if no-one else does

nobody made a thread so I took the initiative to try and give it a shot.

It would be great if anyone wants to contribute anything. Talk about the reasons you invested, how counterparty fits into current crypto landscape, it's strenghts, it's weakness.. thoughts on short/medium/long term future price action or anything! the main thing is the thread is more visible.

>>>The thread is here
: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xcp-counterparty-discussion-speculation-1396194





Also not to forget: http://bravenewcoin.com/news/mobile-counterparty-wallet-delivers-first-personalized-coin-issuance-to-the-masses/
member
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After the fix, the price seems to be creeping up.

Maybe now that ETH, DASH, FCT, XMR, EXP ETC have all have their turns, XCP can enjoy a nice rise too.

Seems it's already occurring.... just went up by 32%



If you agree and care about this, I would encourage you to contact BTC38 at  [email protected] (email or skype) to request CounterParty's inclusion.

BTC38 was weird why they don't list when peoples vote also with their money.

Yuanbaohui.com have been interested add Counterparty and I hope they will take it and we can get finally first Chinese exchange.

Bitfinex have also look more seriously Counterparty and we maybe must start campaign it for them. So please send emails and tell them about Counterparty and what it actually is. Any other exchanges even aren't interest talk about things. When you get that auto reply message from some exchange don't stop to communicate, tell them more, explain more and make they understand.

Sell them volume and fees not only from Counterparty, but also from Storjcoin X and Bitcrystals what are really great projects. Explain them this projects also in messages what you are sending. Now when volumes have grow already if we get XCP to some exchange and get more volume it will come more easy to go next one.


Btw are in Counterparty community anyone who speak and write Chinese?

Also if someone can help make this application form full with english (also with chinese if someone can) so it is sure right. There have been discussion with them, but we can also sending this to normal support who forward it then to right guys.  http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=97179928603380862332


+1 I have again contacted with BTC38 on QQ and the message is that XCP "is under review for adding, depend on interest" So I encourage this community to lobby for the inclusion of this coin to more exchanges- the more voices who ask to trade this on alternate platforms than polo, the better,  also both Yuanbaohui and bitfinex are good ideas too and perhaps might respond in more reasonable time.
newbie
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Any update on the transfer of technology to main net.

Heard that the dev is supposed to be interviewed tomorrow and future plans would be discussed, can anybody pls confirm this news...
legendary
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I'm stuck and need some help!
Burnt a BTC from a blockchain.info wallet and now want to move the xcp to counterwallet. I tried importing (sweeping) the burning address into counterwallet but it says 'invalid private key or use unencrypted key'.
I am pretty sure I have the 'normal' unencrypted privkey from blockchain.info. Strange thing is that I also checked the privkey at bitadress.org under wallet details and this also errors out, saying invalid privatekey.
It even gets a bit weirder. If I import the privkey in the old blockchain.info wallet it says already there, if I import it in the new beta-wallet (v3) it gives another public key (basically I have 2 ublic keys with the same private key in the v3 wallet)! Makes me think it is a blockchain.info problem but cant find any info about it.

I have done this a few times in the past already (from blockchain to counterwallet) and for some reason it errors now. Anyone have any idea what is wrong or what I am doing wrong?

Blockchain.info is know for their numerous bugs so I would not be surprised when this is another of their bugs. They are pretty bad with fixing bugs too.

When your bc wallet claims the address is already there then you can still get the privkey from blockchain.info? If so, as far as I remind, bc.info gives out the privkey in various formats. Maybe you really copied something differently coded.

You are right, had in in base58. Seems to be working now, thanks!
Still strange that I got 2 different public addresses with the same key in blockchain.info

No, that's normal behaviour. Though I made the same error once, wondering why I got a different address instead. Only then found that it is differently coded and when you don't decode it the other way then you get another address. Cheesy
newbie
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I'm stuck and need some help!
Burnt a BTC from a blockchain.info wallet and now want to move the xcp to counterwallet. I tried importing (sweeping) the burning address into counterwallet but it says 'invalid private key or use unencrypted key'.
I am pretty sure I have the 'normal' unencrypted privkey from blockchain.info. Strange thing is that I also checked the privkey at bitadress.org under wallet details and this also errors out, saying invalid privatekey.
It even gets a bit weirder. If I import the privkey in the old blockchain.info wallet it says already there, if I import it in the new beta-wallet (v3) it gives another public key (basically I have 2 ublic keys with the same private key in the v3 wallet)! Makes me think it is a blockchain.info problem but cant find any info about it.

I have done this a few times in the past already (from blockchain to counterwallet) and for some reason it errors now. Anyone have any idea what is wrong or what I am doing wrong?

Blockchain.info is know for their numerous bugs so I would not be surprised when this is another of their bugs. They are pretty bad with fixing bugs too.

When your bc wallet claims the address is already there then you can still get the privkey from blockchain.info? If so, as far as I remind, bc.info gives out the privkey in various formats. Maybe you really copied something differently coded.

You are right, had in in base58. Seems to be working now, thanks!
Still strange that I got 2 different public addresses with the same key in blockchain.info
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