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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 85. (Read 1276789 times)

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Consider that the Overstock news prompted a huge rush, while the current Symbiont developments are far more impressive and as far as I can tell, had barely any effect. I believe eventually it will be possible to pinpoint the exact time everything 'clicks' and perspectives change.

Yeah, pretty ridiculous. An online retailer gets in and there is a 4x jump. Some of the biggest people on wall street get in, nobody cares. There will be a massive jump at some point, but it could be a while. Maybe at the next funding round for Symbiont, maybe smart contracts, maybe when Symbiont opens its doors for business. What a crazy world we live in.

This feels like Franz Kafka "The Castle"...

And looks like XCP will be able to finish smart contracts on mainnet soon, the first milestone of Ethereum is almost released.
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Whats up with the counterparty wallet at  counterwallet.io?
I get a error.

failoverAPI: Call failed (failed over across all servers). Method: get_normalized_balances; Last error: JSON-RPC Error:
Type: Server error

Code: -32000

Message: Bad status code returned: '503'. result body: '{"message": "Server error", "code": -32000, "data": "Counterparty database is behind backend."}'.
hero member
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Counterpartying
Consider that the Overstock news prompted a huge rush, while the current Symbiont developments are far more impressive and as far as I can tell, had barely any effect. I believe eventually it will be possible to pinpoint the exact time everything 'clicks' and perspectives change.

Yeah, pretty ridiculous. An online retailer gets in and there is a 4x jump. Some of the biggest people on wall street get in, nobody cares. There will be a massive jump at some point, but it could be a while. Maybe at the next funding round for Symbiont, maybe smart contracts, maybe when Symbiont opens its doors for business. What a crazy world we live in.
hero member
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★ IT's Party Time! ★
sr. member
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For sure. Blockchain/Smart contracting is hot right now. Just take a look at some of the big financial institutions working, or considering working on blockchain/smart contract pilots:

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CBW Bank
ANZ
Westpac
Commonwealth Bank of Australia
BNY MELLON
LHV Bank
Barclays
UBS
Goldman Sachs
ABN Amro
ING
RoboBank
SWIFT
Santander
Standard chartered
DBS
USAA
BBVA
KPMG
InfoSys Finacle
CitiBank
DTCC
Deutsche Borse
Markit
EuroCCP
CME

Also NASDAQ, NYSE, etc. There's so many more.

I think the only thing holding Counterparty back is the lack of a truly significant overlap between the financial sector and solid programming knowledge. Those that understand both the economic implications of Counterparty, and have an adequate grasp of Python and Bitcoin technology to know how it works... have a huge advantage right now. If Counterparty is given a chance to demonstrate its potential in this sector, then the benefits will be plainly evident to anyone. At this point the programming knowledge won't be necessary to be convinced.

The idea of 'magic code voodoo' and getting your opinions from cryptocurrency news sites and message boards massively sways price up and down. In fact, many statisticians have argued that volatility is caused by the media and not economics. Consider that the Overstock news prompted a huge rush, while the current Symbiont developments are far more impressive and as far as I can tell, had barely any effect. I believe eventually it will be possible to pinpoint the exact time everything 'clicks' and perspectives change.

Bitcoin has all the markings of a potential black swan event: (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_swan_theory)

  • Anti-fragility
  • Decentralization
  • Infinite growth potential
  • High-profile
  • All occurrences in the system so far are justified in hindsight as being fully explained

Slowly people realize that the Bitcoin blockchain is the only real option, and that Counterparty offers the most advanced way to use its features. I hope people will be inspired to contribute to the open source code of Counterparty and Counterwallet, because this technology has the potential to reach millions of individuals without access to banks or the financial system.

I would like to also draw attention to a project which will be compatible with Counterparty:

BitSIM aims to make Bitcoin and Counterparty accessible from any mobile phone (even non-smart phones!). http://www.bitsim.co/

If you're somehow not convinced, consider that even Bill Gates invested $100,000 in Bitcoin mobile technology:

https://bitsoko.co.ke/

https://leveloneproject.org/about-us/announcements/
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There's a few blockchain startups amongst at Level39 London showcasing to UBS bank CIO recently, one company building a little ecosystem based around ripple is called tidal payments - https://dimes.io/ &  http://gateway.tools/ are two products they were working on alongside a smart wallet/exchange

not strictly related but Since gatewayd's deprecation (https://ripple.com/dev-blog/gatewayd-no-longer-available/) latter gateway tools might be useful for Symbiont's ripple -> counterparty bridges (if they are even still a thing anymore?)

Also http://www.coinsilium.com/ https://bnktothefuture.com/ are opportunities for raising additional capital if required. Factom took in 1 million $ in a couple of days with bnktothefuture. Coinsillium plans to open up on AIM


Those are some downright insane statements of confidence!!! Something is surely brewing...
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Indeed, the plan seems to be resonating significantly with those close to the applications of the technology.
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For sure. Blockchain/Smart contracting is hot right now. Just take a look at some of the big financial institutions working, or considering working on blockchain/smart contract pilots:

Quote
CBW Bank
ANZ
Westpac
Commonwealth Bank of Australia
BNY MELLON
LHV Bank
Barclays
UBS
Goldman Sachs
ABN Amro
ING
RoboBank
SWIFT
Santander
Standard chartered
DBS
USAA
BBVA
KPMG
InfoSys Finacle
CitiBank
DTCC
Deutsche Borse
Markit
EuroCCP
CME

http://m.efinancialnews.com/story/2015-07-20/big-players-join-blockchain-gang-cme-deutsche-borse-markit-euroccp

^ the last 5, huge groups (DTCC alone handles the clearing of nearly $2 QUADrillion per annum!) just announced their interest in blockchain tech today

A single one of those entities incubating CounterParty Blockchain technology (even for something as simple as provenance) could really let it's true potential shine, whilst reaping enormous benefits for the applicator first to market


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Further financial backing announced for Symbiont.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/13221075/1/atlantic-merchant-capital-makes-investment-in-fintech-startup-symbiont.html

I thought smart contracts and Ethereum scripting compatibility were separate features that could exist independently of each other.  No?

Technically yes, but you need a language to script said contracts in. Serpent is a fine match and compatibility makes total sense (for both projects, actually)
legendary
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I thought smart contracts and Ethereum scripting compatibility were separate features that could exist independently of each other.  No?
hero member
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Counterpartying
^^ nice links, thanks.

Launch is when Ethereum launches and starts accepting pull requests again.

Is that a joke?

No?

They don't want to fork it so that if/when ethereum fails all the Daap devs can migrate to Counterparty without rewriting anything. Ethereum is not accepting pull requests from Counterparty until after launch.

At least that's my understanding of it.
If the pull request will fork the etherium if they don't accept it, then I think they will not accept it after launch cause they certainly don't want to hard fork just after launching. In the other hand, if they don't care about hard forking in the initial stage, then they may do some breaking changes after smart contract being enabled in counterparty mainnet. in that case, does counterparty do a hard fork too? Therefore, I don't think there's a chance to be fully compatible with etherium after their launch if we cannot do it now.

I asked Chris about this. Apparently there is a compatibility issue with Python 2 and 3 and some other stuff. Holding pattern until they see what Ethereum releases and then they conform to whatever the release is. Is my new understanding.
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I have a background in software and I've spent an obscene amounts of time researching alts over the past year or so.  At this point I have a very good understanding of the scene, the software, and its application/implementation.  XCP has been my #1 investment pick for a long time, but there are others.  Please PM me if you'd like to discuss favorite picks (if we discuss them here we'll look like a bunch of pumpers).

I'm only posting this in this thread because I figure anyone picking XCP most likely has other excellent picks as well.

Will PM you  Wink
legendary
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I have a background in software and I've spent an obscene amounts of time researching alts over the past year or so.  At this point I have a very good understanding of the scene, the software, and its application/implementation.  XCP has been my #1 investment pick for a long time, but there are others.  Please PM me if you'd like to discuss favorite picks (if we discuss them here we'll look like a bunch of pumpers).

I'm only posting this in this thread because I figure anyone picking XCP most likely has other excellent picks as well.
legendary
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^^ nice links, thanks.

Launch is when Ethereum launches and starts accepting pull requests again.

Is that a joke?

No?

They don't want to fork it so that if/when ethereum fails all the Daap devs can migrate to Counterparty without rewriting anything. Ethereum is not accepting pull requests from Counterparty until after launch.

At least that's my understanding of it.
If the pull request will fork the etherium if they don't accept it, then I think they will not accept it after launch cause they certainly don't want to hard fork just after launching. In the other hand, if they don't care about hard forking in the initial stage, then they may do some breaking changes after smart contract being enabled in counterparty mainnet. in that case, does counterparty do a hard fork too? Therefore, I don't think there's a chance to be fully compatible with etherium after their launch if we cannot do it now.
sr. member
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Counterparty: The rails of a new transparent planetary financial system.

And it's about time!

"Banks Forgot Who Was Supposed to Own Dell Shares"

Source: http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-07-14/banks-forgot-who-was-supposed-to-own-dell-shares
hero member
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Counterpartying
^^ nice links, thanks.

Launch is when Ethereum launches and starts accepting pull requests again.

Is that a joke?

No?

They don't want to fork it so that if/when ethereum fails all the Daap devs can migrate to Counterparty without rewriting anything. Ethereum is not accepting pull requests from Counterparty until after launch.

At least that's my understanding of it.
legendary
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Well, my deposit got stuck:


Seems like this deposit got orphaned on our end due to some blockchain issues... I'm working on fixing it but it might take a bit. Never had this happen to a XCP deposit before.

Thanks,
Richie
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^^ nice links, thanks.

Launch is when Ethereum launches and starts accepting pull requests again.

Is that a joke?

and another competitor..

http://www.startupbootcamp.org/blog/2015/july/fintech-sbcstartupoftheweek-otonomos.html
http://www.otonomos.com/

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Introducing a New Vehicle for Human Ingenuity:
The Blockchain Chartered Company™
Otonomos is engineering the world's first blockchain-chartered company, in which you hold your shares in the same way as owning bitcoins in a digital wallet."

No matter how dispersed your share ownership, our blockchain-native technology automatically updates your cap table and helps you govern your company using self-enforceable, smart contracts.


One thing I've noticed with this multitude of blockchain startups spouting off buzzwords is they promise the world; everything is possible with their solution, yet at the current time the product is barely fleshed out beyond a concept stage. It's either a splash page contact form to request more info or a dead road to nowhere. Almost no working code.  This particular example above charges a minimum of $800 for company incorporation (with a load of overpriced extras possible to add to cart). You can't do much else beyond that at this point despite how exciting the marketing blurb sounds. It's really reminiscent of the dotcom boom.

Speaking of smart-contracts, anyone know the ETA on counterparty's mainnet launch? I thought it was initially due in spring but there's barely been any discussion on it aside from a press release last year.  I understand testing takes time but Colored coins and co have no smart contracting. I fear counterparty could lose ground on a huge asset it has with advanced smart contracting on the bitcoin blockchain.

Otonomos is a weak idea/execution.
newbie
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Building on this fantastic recent article www.coindesk.com/blockchains-and-the-future-of-audit/

yet another heavyweight officially steps into the blockchain arena..

http://www.coindesk.com/deloitte-blockchain-auditing-consulting/

http://rubixbydeloitte.com/

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Professional services firm Deloitte has revealed it is trialling blockchain technology to automate client auditing and crowdsource its consulting efforts, among other applications.

With the announcement, Deloitte – one of the world's 'Big Four' audit firms – becomes the latest mainstream financial entity to voice its interest in the technology, following announcements by banking giants such as Citi, UBS and USAA.

..... "Piscini indicated that these clients are currently exploring different protocols built on top of bitcoin, including Blockstream, Counterparty and Factom. A key question that persists for many is whether to partner with these firms or build a private blockchain."


Closely related article - www.coindesk.com/standard-chartered-exec-touts-blockchain-tech-for-trade-finance/

This space is about to explode. Counterparty will have a full featured (thanks to smart contracts) and open platform. From that perspective it is great to have the infrastructure of the Counterparty Protocol, the Counterparty Foundation, Symbiont and any other company that wants to use and support Counterparty as a backend.

The ability of Counterparty to migrate to the blockchain du jour is a powerful asset too.

The likes of Blockstream (side-chains), Factom and Ethereum are too generic. Counterparty has always been and will continue to target financial services.

Counterparty: The rails of a new transparent planetary financial system.
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