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legendary
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It's actually disappointing that it only went up as much as it did on volume that's still so low. We'll see what happens in the coming days.
Well, Symbiont faith is not 100% ties to XCP, I heard xnova said that their startup consults about blockchain solutions, not specifically about Counterparty.

Not sure where you heard that. Link?

They are building on Counterparty technology and Symbiont using Counterparty while not using XCP is similar to saying BitPay is using the blockchain, but not using bitcoins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUZJ0QRjVUI#

It starts at 56:40.
He said private blockchains have merits, Symbiont take a pragmatic approach and is about helping clients to fullfil their needs. By default they use BTC/XCP but he admits that it might not always be the most appropriate solution for their clients, so they will adapt.

I think what he said and what Symbiont plan to do is smart, but that means their business model is not ties to the success of Counterparty.
legendary
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I think he was just using XCP as a synonym for Counterparty.  Has that been posted/published elsewhere?

I'm not clear on the Grid NFC token.  What is it from a user's perspective?
newbie
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It's actually disappointing that it only went up as much as it did on volume that's still so low. We'll see what happens in the coming days.
Well, Symbiont faith is not 100% ties to XCP, I heard xnova said that their startup consults about blockchain solutions, not specifically about Counterparty.

Do people honestly believe this? That a business based on Counterparty, which only exists because of Counterparty, involving all the developers from Counterparty, openly invests in the development of Counterparty with its own new developers, will not use XCP... the only smart contracts on the Bitcoin blockchain and indeed first working platform in the world?

Is that a joke
hero member
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Counterpartying
It's actually disappointing that it only went up as much as it did on volume that's still so low. We'll see what happens in the coming days.
Well, Symbiont faith is not 100% ties to XCP, I heard xnova said that their startup consults about blockchain solutions, not specifically about Counterparty.

Not sure where you heard that. Link?

They are building on Counterparty technology and Symbiont using Counterparty while not using XCP is similar to saying BitPay is using the blockchain, but not using bitcoins.
newbie
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@ghosthardware , the news article you posted on UBS is impressive! Wow. That could be a game-changer if they're experimenting with XCP? The article doesn't say that but it can certainly be interpreted like that.

As for thegrid.io, I know about it but can't see the relevance to XCP?

Anyway, thanks for the excellent posts! Much appreciated.

Thegrid accepts bitcoin already for membership. They hand out NFC asset tokens right now for founding members on their paid signups. See screenshot


https://i.imgur.com/G6miI3P.png

With XCP they can issue assets for any member on their platform in conjuction with taking a btc payment for instance (they currently have around 45,000 members)

http://www.crowdfundinsider.com/2014/10/52009-ex-googler-launches-pretail-campaign-a1-grid-web-design-platform-sleeker-alternative-wordpress-dragondrop-wix-ensures-output-elegance/
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-grid-game-changer-eric-haley

Bear in mind this is no official statement or confirmation. Purely a speculative heads up. Anyone could have issued that asset. Just piecing 2+2 together here.

It's actually disappointing that it only went up as much as it did on volume that's still so low. We'll see what happens in the coming days.
Well, Symbiot faith is not 100% ties to XCP, I heard xnova said that their startup consults about blockchain solutions, not specifically about Counterparty.

Right, but the success of symbiont (involving whatever combination of platforms in whatever configuration) grants the ability to leverage a 'greater' vision, one which you might expect the ones architecting said vision to involve their first construction (counterparty) in the final design - CounterParty might be now a brick to symbiont's block but in turn the symbiont block (built with counterparty amongst others) could be imagined as a larger block boosting counterparty to higher floors in the next build.
legendary
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It's actually disappointing that it only went up as much as it did on volume that's still so low. We'll see what happens in the coming days.
Well, Symbiont faith is not 100% ties to XCP, I heard xnova said that their startup consults about blockchain solutions, not specifically about Counterparty.
legendary
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@ghosthardware , the news article you posted on UBS is impressive! Wow. That could be a game-changer if they're experimenting with XCP? The article doesn't say that but it can certainly be interpreted like that.

As for thegrid.io, I know about it but can't see the relevance to XCP?

Anyway, thanks for the excellent posts! Much appreciated.
newbie
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 if you're a speculative investor who likes to keep a finger on market pulses this could have some connection..

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"We're also working on private blockchains and 'known' networks, as we think that might be a better application of the technology for some institutions. The idea with smart securities is that the battery comes included: to create contracts that can act on the blockchain autonomously, from issuance and corporate actions to decentralized secondary trading, clearing, settlement and transfer."
Smith says the early target is illiquid securities and funding activities — including both traditional venture-capital and crowdfunded private-equity transactions, as well as other applications like merchant banking, intercompany funding, and syndicated loans. The firm is already integrated into multiple tier-one banks' development programs and blockchain pilots. Many are focused on smaller use cases that don't already have processing intermediation in place, relying instead on spreadsheets and fax, and at least a few should be implemented by year's end.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/20836/ubs-bank-experimenting-smart-bonds-using-bitcoin-blockchain/

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Smart-bonds are one of the first publicly confirmed technologies the Swiss banking giant is said to be exploring since the launch of The innovation Lab in April to explore how blockchain technologies could improve the banking sector. The creation of the lab came after the publishing of an extensive report about the benefits of the blockchain by the international bank.

When the report was published, UBS Group CIO Oliver Bussmann told the Wall Street Journal, “I believe – and this is my personal view – that blockchain technology will not only change the way we do payments, but it will change the whole trading and settlement topic.”

Or this..?

https://i.imgur.com/osClu9V.png
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2io7pi/new_artificial_intelligence_thegridio_by_exgoogle/cl4m2fg?context=3
https://thegrid.io/team/
http://blockscan.com/assetInfo/THEGRIDTEST
newbie
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https://i.imgur.com/RPHRlK8.png

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It’s pretty clear, with the XCP price near all time lows the last few months, that anyone who believes in the Counterparty technology should have been taking advantage of the sale. With a $1.25m seed round from very prominent investors, and a Series A coming in Q3 (estimated), Symbiont has plenty of funding and backing to pursue a variety of Counterparty based projects. The XCP all time high spike was caused by the Medici news, which was far less significant than the recent news regarding Symbiont, and the relationship they have with Counterparty. Granted, that ATH spike was definitely attributed to some FOMO from the simultaneous BTC bubble, we see at least some upward movement from here. We don’t have a target, don’t care to make one, aren’t investment advisers and don’t give investment advice.

By the way, can someone please make a decent charting website for XCP?

Disclaimer: We are long XCP. While everyone was out chasing unicorn dust in alts, we have been accumulating XCP.


For further analysis: http://[Suspicious link removed]/cYyGrU


hero member
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It's actually disappointing that it only went up as much as it did on volume that's still so low. We'll see what happens in the coming days.
legendary
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Any identifiable cause for the price spike? Is it a public info or a still private one?

Well, an ex NYSE CEO did invest (publicly) in Symbiont...
legendary
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Any identifiable cause for the price spike? Is it a public info or a still private one?
legendary
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What is stopping me from modifying the Counterparty installation on my system to provide all of the same functionality without burning XCP?

The network effect. It would be a one person party that's implementing updates from the real dev team. Wink

I'm still not clear on this.  Let's say I'm a company that wants to create an interface for smart contracts.  Why can't I modify the counterpartyd instance running on my server to execute smart contracts without burning XCP?

As already answered: Network effect.

The question is akin to asking why you can't modify the bitcoind instance running on your server to process transactions without debiting BTC, whilst you CAN do it, you will need to convince the super majority of users to agree that that's a good idea.

XCP acts as a anti-spam token, and an economic reward, if you tried to create your fork you would really just end up switching it to an XCP alternative token to fulflll those functions. Your newly created tokens properties (distribution, adoption, upside potential of continuing to hold or hoard) would have to match or usurp the previous

I can see how you would want to take advantage of the network effect with tokens since you might want to move them to a different instance of Counterwallet or to another Counterparty wallet, but would the same be true of smart contracts?  Wouldn't all of my smart contracts execute on my server's instance of counterpartyd?


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"We're aiming for a generic platform that is agnostic to underlying distributed technology, so not only Bitcoin but Ripple, Ethereum, Hyperledger, and a proprietary stack built around Counterparty are all in play," he says. "We're also working on private blockchains and 'known' networks, as we think that might be a better application of the technology for some institutions. The idea with smart securities is that the battery comes included: to create contracts that can act on the blockchain autonomously, from issuance and corporate actions to decentralized secondary trading, clearing, settlement and transfer."
Smith says the early target is illiquid securities and funding activities — including both traditional venture-capital and crowdfunded private-equity transactions, as well as other applications like merchant banking, intercompany funding, and syndicated loans. The firm is already integrated into multiple tier-one banks' development programs and blockchain pilots. Many are focused on smaller use cases that don't already have processing intermediation in place, relying instead on spreadsheets and fax, and at least a few should be implemented by year's end.
Symbiont aren't alone, with many others in the space crossing over to blockchain work now, but Smith argues there are "maybe three or fewer firms" in the industry that have both the financial understanding and technical expertise to do it right.
"Most people entering now are trying to execute on things like how to 'tokenize' a security, on that plane of the learning curve, which we were doing two years ago," he says. "Though that's an interesting process, to us, the real value proposition in convincing an institution to rip out systems, and change protocols, must go well beyond that."

I can't find this article online.  Can you point me to it?
newbie
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What is stopping me from modifying the Counterparty installation on my system to provide all of the same functionality without burning XCP?

The network effect. It would be a one person party that's implementing updates from the real dev team. Wink

I'm still not clear on this.  Let's say I'm a company that wants to create an interface for smart contracts.  Why can't I modify the counterpartyd instance running on my server to execute smart contracts without burning XCP?

As already answered: Network effect.

The question is akin to asking why you can't modify the bitcoind instance running on your server to process transactions without debiting BTC, whilst you CAN do it, you will need to convince the super majority of users to agree that that's a good idea.

XCP acts as a anti-spam token, and an economic reward, if you tried to create your fork you would really just end up switching it to an XCP alternative token to fulflll those functions. Your newly created tokens properties (distribution, adoption, upside potential of continuing to hold or hoard) would have to match or usurp the previous

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/symbiont-smart-securities-funding-announcement-strategy-300096175.html

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Symbiont 'Smart Securities™' technology secures backing by an all-star lineup of financial leaders
 
NEW YORK, June 9, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- Symbiont, a pioneer in the creation of Smart Securities on the blockchain, has secured $1.25M of seed funding from influential financial market leaders. Early investors include Duncan Niederauer, former CEO of the NYSE Euronext; Matt Andresen, founder of the Island ECN and trading head at Citadel; Getco, LLC founders Dan Tierney and Stephen Schuler through Wicklow Capital; Scott Carmilani, Chairman and CEO of Allied World Assurance Company; and Celeridem FinTech Fund. A 'Series A' round of institutional investment is expected to close in Q3 2015.

The new company is seeking to eliminate many of the inefficiencies and opaqueness that have developed on Wall Street by utilizing the speed and security of cryptographic distributed ledgers known as blockchains to enable faster markets that are more efficient, and exhibit lower costs with increased liquidity, transparency, and security.

The development of Smart Securities promises to transform the way that issuance, trading and settlement takes place in the capital markets. By making programmable versions of traditional securities available on a distributed ledger, the platform will allow institutional and retail users to issue, trade and process a range of instruments more efficiently in a single, global, decentralized and distributed peer-to-peer financial network.

"Symbiont is bridging the gap between Wall Street and the emerging blockchain ecosystem. It's an exciting, timely and much-needed development for the long-term health of the markets," said Niederauer, Managing Member of 555 Capital and a member of the Symbiont Board of Directors, for whom this is the first investment in the bitcoin ecosystem.

"This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to leverage this previously unimaginable technology for the greater good of investors, financial institutions, and global financial markets," said Mark Smith, co-founder and CEO of Symbiont. "The blockchain not only has the potential to democratize markets but to drive down the cost of doing business across all sectors."

Interest in the use of blockchain technology is growing rapidly with the realization of its importance in the creation of trusted networks to more rapidly and cost-efficiently trade and process financial transactions.

Symbiont was formed as a combination of MathMoney (fx) and Counterparty, creator of the Counterwallet deterministic web wallet, which was founded in 2013. Smith is joined at Symbiont by co-founders Robbie Dermody (President); Evan Wagner (MD, Operations); and Adam Krellenstein (CTO).

The issuance of the first Smart Securities is expected later in 2015.

About Symbiont
Symbiont is bridging the gap between the emerging blockchain ecosystem and Wall Street. They are developing a platform that allows financial market participants to create programmable versions of traditional securities that take the form of SMART SECURITIESTM: self-executing digital contracts that are stored in a distributed ledger called a "blockchain". The platform will allow users to issue, manage, locate, and trade smart securities™ efficiently in a single, global, peer-to-peer financial network.

SOURCE Symbiont


Great news on the seed funding. It's reassuring to see devs working diligently in the background moving forwards on true 2.0 tech despite some of the recent perceived setbacks. CounterParty team never rests on their laurels or tries to take the easy route.

The magnitude of the potential of this technology is hard to grasp for a layman. On a zoomed out view once you see where the trends are inevitably going pieces start falling into place. I'm Excited to follow the progress of the formal A funding round and also very pleased to see the first issuance should also happen this year

For those that don't know Symbiosis (from Greek σύν "together" and βίωσις "living") is close and often long-term interaction between two or more different biological species. The aptly named Symbiont seems to strategically place itself as a bridge between emerging novel 2.0 superstars. CounterParty is one of the chief foundation/building blocks where it makes total sense to use as smart contract vehicle, asset registration system for private debt, kickstarter fundraising and more.

CounterParty adopters are in the minority of altcoin market particpants following a mature project which pushes the envelope whilst many dinosaur coins are still cloning litecoin source, coming up with a story about how their coin will be the next bitcoin with a marketing campaign and calling it a day. IMO that was the teenager phase. CounterParty is clearly in adulthood and targeting big-boy markets. It means we might well be in it for the long haul but as this is new ground with previously unattainable market share the potential rewards are far greater. Smart contracting and p2p marketplaces could revolutionize finance as we know today and counterparty is right now one of the premier candiates to take advantage of it's prime position. On a long term view a market cap of $2.5 million dollars for this ecosystem is peanuts.  It reminds me of bitcoin at dollar parity, and I can't help comparing it to a deflated air-ship- there is so much room to grow it's not even funny.  A recent article sums up the direction well.

ShapeShift.io has released the first-ever cryptocurrency exchange app for iPhone. Buy or sell Counterparty XCP instantly and on-the-go with the ShapeShift App.

Download the app: http://apple.co/1FU6Njm

Learn about the app in this Forbes article: /1dtZqVX]http://[Suspicious link removed]/1dtZqVX

NOTE: ShapeShift will be adding their Android app soon. Stay tuned!

https://i.imgur.com/MxVBuMjl.png

Thank you. Made a purchase today using it! Works extremely smoothly. Even stored the XCP directly on the phone like BTC before moving to counterwallet -
which you can't do with some of the other coins as there is no iOS wallet yet
Was waiting for something like this
legendary
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What is stopping me from modifying the Counterparty installation on my system to provide all of the same functionality without burning XCP?

The network effect. It would be a one person party that's implementing updates from the real dev team. Wink

I'm still not clear on this.  Let's say I'm a company that wants to create an interface for smart contracts.  Why can't I modify the counterpartyd instance running on my server to execute smart contracts without burning XCP?
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ShapeShift.io has released the first-ever cryptocurrency exchange app for iPhone. Buy or sell Counterparty XCP instantly and on-the-go with the ShapeShift App.

Download the app: http://apple.co/1FU6Njm

Learn about the app in this Forbes article: http://onforb.es/1dtZqVX

NOTE: ShapeShift will be adding their Android app soon. Stay tuned!

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so can we get a clear statement if xcp is used as fuel in the newly created ecosystem? it would be most helpful by one of the members of the core development.

despite that great development Smiley
legendary
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http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/symbiont-smart-securities-funding-announcement-strategy-300096175.html

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Symbiont 'Smart Securities™' technology secures backing by an all-star lineup of financial leaders
 
NEW YORK, June 9, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- Symbiont, a pioneer in the creation of Smart Securities on the blockchain, has secured $1.25M of seed funding from influential financial market leaders. Early investors include Duncan Niederauer, former CEO of the NYSE Euronext; Matt Andresen, founder of the Island ECN and trading head at Citadel; Getco, LLC founders Dan Tierney and Stephen Schuler through Wicklow Capital; Scott Carmilani, Chairman and CEO of Allied World Assurance Company; and Celeridem FinTech Fund. A 'Series A' round of institutional investment is expected to close in Q3 2015.

The new company is seeking to eliminate many of the inefficiencies and opaqueness that have developed on Wall Street by utilizing the speed and security of cryptographic distributed ledgers known as blockchains to enable faster markets that are more efficient, and exhibit lower costs with increased liquidity, transparency, and security.

The development of Smart Securities promises to transform the way that issuance, trading and settlement takes place in the capital markets. By making programmable versions of traditional securities available on a distributed ledger, the platform will allow institutional and retail users to issue, trade and process a range of instruments more efficiently in a single, global, decentralized and distributed peer-to-peer financial network.

"Symbiont is bridging the gap between Wall Street and the emerging blockchain ecosystem. It's an exciting, timely and much-needed development for the long-term health of the markets," said Niederauer, Managing Member of 555 Capital and a member of the Symbiont Board of Directors, for whom this is the first investment in the bitcoin ecosystem.

"This is a once-in-a-generation opportunity to leverage this previously unimaginable technology for the greater good of investors, financial institutions, and global financial markets," said Mark Smith, co-founder and CEO of Symbiont. "The blockchain not only has the potential to democratize markets but to drive down the cost of doing business across all sectors."

Interest in the use of blockchain technology is growing rapidly with the realization of its importance in the creation of trusted networks to more rapidly and cost-efficiently trade and process financial transactions.

Symbiont was formed as a combination of MathMoney (fx) and Counterparty, creator of the Counterwallet deterministic web wallet, which was founded in 2013. Smith is joined at Symbiont by co-founders Robbie Dermody (President); Evan Wagner (MD, Operations); and Adam Krellenstein (CTO).

The issuance of the first Smart Securities is expected later in 2015.

About Symbiont
Symbiont is bridging the gap between the emerging blockchain ecosystem and Wall Street. They are developing a platform that allows financial market participants to create programmable versions of traditional securities that take the form of SMART SECURITIESTM: self-executing digital contracts that are stored in a distributed ledger called a "blockchain". The platform will allow users to issue, manage, locate, and trade smart securities™ efficiently in a single, global, peer-to-peer financial network.

SOURCE Symbiont

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https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38zbap/overstock_announces_cryptosecurity_exchange_and/crzfz38

Medici CTO:

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I think it is a really great sign for Bitcoin that there are multiple choices for this. We obviously have worked closely with Counterparty in the past and have looked closely at number of solutions.
The short answer is we didn't need some of the more complex features for this launch.
Private debt is a relatively simple use case. We are also working on some really complex use cases that will leverage different technologies. Going to be a fun.

So it's just that they decided for the simplest no frills solution for the bond but when they tackle with more difficult financial instruments it's very likely they will consider CP?

Yeah. It seems they are working on more complex stuff already and that they are considering "different technologies" for it. There are only a couple players in the space and Counterparty is one of them. I guess it was more of a question round peg, round hole, rather than anything else.
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