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Topic: [ANN][XCP] Counterparty - Pioneering Peer-to-Peer Finance - Official Thread - page 96. (Read 1276789 times)

newbie
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How feasible would it be for the Bitcoin devs to duplicate Counterparty's functionality without the XCP coin?

It's not possible.

What would make it impossible?  I was just digging around and found this post from over a year ago with the opposite answer to the same question:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5467658

That person is wrong. I'll let someone who's more technical take the question from here if they have any interest. I'd not worry about it though, if that's what you're doing, worrying about an investment you made in XCP.

Can you tell me in conceptual terms why it can't be done?  Why can counterpartyd do something that bitcoind can't do?  That doesn't make sense to me.

How big of a concern is it that Bitcoin could build Counterparty-esque functionality directly into their protocol?
It's not possible. Bitcoin can't escrow value, which means that you can't build (decentralized) smart contracts directly onto it. That's the value of XCP. It can actually act as a value escrow.

The reason it won't be built into the BTC protocol is because it's a huge risk. It would get away from BTC's main function as an engine for settling BTC transactions. As you see with colored coins, you can do some asset registration if you're creative. But you will never be able to escrow value on Bitcoin.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
Another thing that's been bugging me.  What is the incentive to run a Counterparty node?  If there is no strong incentive, how can we hope to have a strong network?  It would be like a secure database (Bitcoin) with an otherwise vulnerable application stack (Counterparty).
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
How feasible would it be for the Bitcoin devs to duplicate Counterparty's functionality without the XCP coin?

It's not possible.

What would make it impossible?  I was just digging around and found this post from over a year ago with the opposite answer to the same question:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5467658

That person is wrong. I'll let someone who's more technical take the question from here if they have any interest. I'd not worry about it though, if that's what you're doing, worrying about an investment you made in XCP.

Can you tell me in conceptual terms why it can't be done?  Why can counterpartyd do something that bitcoind can't do?  That doesn't make sense to me.
hero member
Activity: 647
Merit: 510
Counterpartying
How feasible would it be for the Bitcoin devs to duplicate Counterparty's functionality without the XCP coin?

It's not possible.

What would make it impossible?  I was just digging around and found this post from over a year ago with the opposite answer to the same question:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5467658

That person is wrong. I'll let someone who's more technical take the question from here if they have any interest. I'd not worry about it though, if that's what you're doing, worrying about an investment you made in XCP.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
How feasible would it be for the Bitcoin devs to duplicate Counterparty's functionality without the XCP coin?

It's not possible.

What would make it impossible?  I was just digging around and found this post from over a year ago with the opposite answer to the same question:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5467658
hero member
Activity: 647
Merit: 510
Counterpartying
How feasible would it be for the Bitcoin devs to duplicate Counterparty's functionality without the XCP coin?

It's not possible.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
How feasible would it be for the Bitcoin devs to duplicate Counterparty's functionality without the XCP coin?
full member
Activity: 121
Merit: 100
Counterparty General Manager
New community update is live at http://counterparty.io/news/counterparty-update-may-15/ (We're transferring support to CounterpartyTalk.org, so please read this one)
sr. member
Activity: 297
Merit: 264
Hello Everyone ! Here is a little bounty for 0.5 BTC

Hello Everyone

I have a little bounty. A little hack into an existing wallet

I would like you to take breadwallet ios source code.  https://github.com/voisine/breadwallet

Look under
Code:
- (BOOL)signTransaction:(BRTransaction *)transaction

and see if you can replace the transaction object in order to include a transaction generated by the counterparty API output :

From : http://counterparty.io/docs/api/#transaction-encodings
Send 1 XCP (specified in satoshis) from one address to another.

Code:
payload = {
           "method": "create_send",
           "params": {
                      "source": "1CUdFmgK9trTNZHALfqGvd8d6nUZqH2AAf",
                      "destination": "17rRm52PYGkntcJxD2yQF9jQqRS4S2nZ7E",
                      "asset": "XCP",
                      "quantity": 1
                     },
           "jsonrpc": "2.0",
           "id": 0,
          }

I expect two outcomes
The outcome would to the feasibility is  :

1. Done the source code has been updated to include a hard coded transaction request to the API that can be signed and broadcasted
2. Source code not updated but with a detailed description why this function can't be used out of the box and why.

Second output

Is a rough estimate about half a page on what would it take to implement counterparty API to breadwallet source code. This mean allowing people to view and send not only bitcoin but other asset counterparty.

Depending on the feasibility we might we could start a bigger the full project.

Thank you a lot
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250

Small start-up? Did you look at the people involved in Symbiont?  Wink

Lol, yes you have a point. But relatively speaking they are small compared to NASDAQ.
sr. member
Activity: 432
Merit: 250
Does anybody know whether NASDAQ adopting blockchain technology would affect Symbiont?

(https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/nasdaq-details-upcoming-use-bitcoins-block-chain-tech/)

For example, could it blaze a regulatory trail which would help? Or could it steal their thunder and make it hard for small start-ups to offer something unique enough to muscle in on the big boys' territory?

Small start-up? Did you look at the people involved in Symbiont?  Wink
sr. member
Activity: 378
Merit: 250
Does anybody know whether NASDAQ adopting blockchain technology would affect Symbiont?

(https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/nasdaq-details-upcoming-use-bitcoins-block-chain-tech/)

For example, could it blaze a regulatory trail which would help? Or could it steal their thunder and make it hard for small start-ups to offer something unique enough to muscle in on the big boys' territory?
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
How big of a concern is it that Bitcoin could build Counterparty-esque functionality directly into their protocol?
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
Is there any way to know if this is insider selling?
newbie
Activity: 35
Merit: 0

FYI, Bittrex is contemplating delisting XCP:

"This market is in danger of de-listing due to low trade volume and lack of user interest. It may be removed on May 15th unless the average daily trade volume for the last 7 days exceeds 0.2 BTC."

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XCP


Good. Bittrex is a manipulative exchange and I wouldn't trust them with peanuts. At least it will reduce risk exposure.
sr. member
Activity: 490
Merit: 250
I don't really come from outer space.

FYI, Bittrex is contemplating delisting XCP:

"This market is in danger of de-listing due to low trade volume and lack of user interest. It may be removed on May 15th unless the average daily trade volume for the last 7 days exceeds 0.2 BTC."

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XCP
legendary
Activity: 1554
Merit: 1000
Does Symbiont or the Counterparty Foundation hold any XCP?

You for real?  Grin

Dont be too harsh. Maybe he had experience with that questionable farce, we call MSC.  Grin
hero member
Activity: 700
Merit: 500
★ IT's Party Time! ★
Does Symbiont or the Counterparty Foundation hold any XCP?

  WTF.  Of course No  Grin
sr. member
Activity: 432
Merit: 250
Does Symbiont or the Counterparty Foundation hold any XCP?

You for real?  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 1000
Does Symbiont or the Counterparty Foundation hold any XCP?
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