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August 06, 2014, 04:41:15 AM
#28
the big data make anonymity become more and more difficult.

What do you mean by "the big data"? Blockchain info?
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August 06, 2014, 04:40:01 AM
#27
Why do you think drugs are so expensive but cheap to manufacture.
Karl Marx would tell you that labor adds value Wink

He's right. Just check it here:
https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/l/a.htm#labour-theory-value  Cheesy
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August 06, 2014, 03:10:07 AM
#26
the big data make anonymity become more and more difficult.
legendary
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August 06, 2014, 03:04:23 AM
#25
Why do you think drugs are so expensive but cheap to manufacture.
Karl Marx would tell you that labor adds value Wink
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August 06, 2014, 01:54:06 AM
#24
One of the bitcointalk ads says:
"Even if you use Bitcoin through Tor, the way transactions are handled by the network makes anonymity difficult to achieve. Do not expect your transactions to be anonymous unless you really know what you're doing."

In your opinion, which coin really has anonymous transaction? Is total anonymity possible at all?

I research this question for some time. There are a lot of peoples under each post who trying to promote their one RealAnonCoin but what i get

Bitcoin mixer and shared transaction services - it looks like real way only if you trust the service.
https://bitmixer.io/index.html - one of them

Darkcoin - Masternode technology. popular, interesting and expensive if i get the ino right(10% for darksend)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anonymity-in-darkcoins-724083 look here - there are a lot info and links about darkcoin technology

Bytecoin/Monero - cryptonight. ring signatures. if you want to look at this kind of coins - just read about Cryptonight and ringsignatures, not about concrete coin.

There are a lot of "truly anonymous"  coins with Guy Fawkes but they look unserious for me.

Thanks for the response. I just read about Bitcoin mixer. It's an easy idea, but I guess its implementation is complicated. How much is the fee for it?

Darkcoin is way too expensive, as you mentioned.

Monero seems interesting to me.

Do you think governments will forbid anonymous transactions? For example, by forcing exchanges not to accept them.

If governments force Exchanges in their country to not accept Darkcoin for example, the price will go up even more as it will be perceived as a rare, sought after item. And other exchanges will pop up in countries which are less regulated to fill the gap.

Why do you think drugs are so expensive but cheap to manufacture.

That's a good point. What if they specify tax for Darkcoin (or higher tax)?
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August 06, 2014, 01:50:23 AM
#23
Monero offers unparalleled priquidity.  I made that up.  I'm proud of it.  (privacy * liquidity) = priquidity.  I also haven't slept in too darn long.

This should be Monero's new slogan!

Priquiditas pro populum.  (Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.)

That was funny. Or: In Monero We Trust!
Now translate it to Latin to make it more profound!
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August 06, 2014, 01:50:01 AM
#22
One of the bitcointalk ads says:
"Even if you use Bitcoin through Tor, the way transactions are handled by the network makes anonymity difficult to achieve. Do not expect your transactions to be anonymous unless you really know what you're doing."

In your opinion, which coin really has anonymous transaction? Is total anonymity possible at all?

I research this question for some time. There are a lot of peoples under each post who trying to promote their one RealAnonCoin but what i get

Bitcoin mixer and shared transaction services - it looks like real way only if you trust the service.
https://bitmixer.io/index.html - one of them

Darkcoin - Masternode technology. popular, interesting and expensive if i get the ino right(10% for darksend)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anonymity-in-darkcoins-724083 look here - there are a lot info and links about darkcoin technology

Bytecoin/Monero - cryptonight. ring signatures. if you want to look at this kind of coins - just read about Cryptonight and ringsignatures, not about concrete coin.

There are a lot of "truly anonymous"  coins with Guy Fawkes but they look unserious for me.

Thanks for the response. I just read about Bitcoin mixer. It's an easy idea, but I guess its implementation is complicated. How much is the fee for it?

Darkcoin is way too expensive, as you mentioned.

Monero seems interesting to me.

Do you think governments will forbid anonymous transactions? For example, by forcing exchanges not to accept them.

If governments force Exchanges in their country to not accept Darkcoin for example, the price will go up even more as it will be perceived as a rare, sought after item. And other exchanges will pop up in countries which are less regulated to fill the gap.

Why do you think drugs are so expensive but cheap to manufacture.
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August 06, 2014, 01:42:11 AM
#21
If your asking in a present tense then I'd say a cryptonote coin like Monero.  I'm a believer That coins like XC, DRK and others have real potential.  That shouldn't be ignored and are worth taking the time to look into.

Monero seems nice. Is it possible for you to explain anonymity idea of XC in one paragraph? The original explanations are usually long.

By the way, nice profile picture! Are you smelling weed?
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August 06, 2014, 01:38:29 AM
#20
One of the bitcointalk ads says:
"Even if you use Bitcoin through Tor, the way transactions are handled by the network makes anonymity difficult to achieve. Do not expect your transactions to be anonymous unless you really know what you're doing."

In your opinion, which coin really has anonymous transaction? Is total anonymity possible at all?

I research this question for some time. There are a lot of peoples under each post who trying to promote their one RealAnonCoin but what i get

Bitcoin mixer and shared transaction services - it looks like real way only if you trust the service.
https://bitmixer.io/index.html - one of them

Darkcoin - Masternode technology. popular, interesting and expensive if i get the ino right(10% for darksend)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anonymity-in-darkcoins-724083 look here - there are a lot info and links about darkcoin technology

Bytecoin/Monero - cryptonight. ring signatures. if you want to look at this kind of coins - just read about Cryptonight and ringsignatures, not about concrete coin.

There are a lot of "truly anonymous"  coins with Guy Fawkes but they look unserious for me.

Thanks for the response. I just read about Bitcoin mixer. It's an easy idea, but I guess its implementation is complicated. How much is the fee for it?

Darkcoin is way too expensive, as you mentioned.

Monero seems interesting to me.

Do you think governments will forbid anonymous transactions? For example, by forcing exchanges not to accept them.
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August 06, 2014, 01:26:56 AM
#19
It really seems a good coin. I have a question. What is "Adaptive parameters" under Features here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-a-secure-private-untraceable-cryptocurrency-583449

This part is interesting:
Unlike Bitcoin, your funds are not held in the address you give out to others. Instead, every time you receive a payment it goes to an unlinkable address generated with random numbers. When you decide to spend the funds in that one-time address, the amount will be broken down and the components will be indistinguishable from identical outputs in the blockchain.

Basically, with ring signatures a transaction output is signed by you and by a group of random signatories (garnered from the utxoset, and the number of signatures is specified by you). Only one of these signatures is "true" (and that can be determined by the recipient), but to an outside observer they cannot determine which of the N signatures on an output is true, as they all appear to be valid.


Firstly, thanks for the comprehensive explanation. You said in the quoted paragraph "the number of signatures is specified by you". Of course, the bigger, the harder to find the sender, right? Is there any bound for it? And, where can I set that?
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amarha
August 06, 2014, 01:20:00 AM
#18
Monero: Priquiditas por homoj.

Keeping with the theme, esperanto sounds decidedly less profound unfortunately. Tongue
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August 06, 2014, 12:47:33 AM
#17
Priquiditas pro populum.  (Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.)
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amarha
August 05, 2014, 02:46:36 PM
#16
Monero offers unparalleled priquidity.  I made that up.  I'm proud of it.  (privacy * liquidity) = priquidity.  I also haven't slept in too darn long.

This should be Monero's new slogan!
legendary
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August 05, 2014, 11:55:41 AM
#15
If you want to stick with bitcoin, you can go to the "know what you are doing" path.

You'll need to know anyway, to decide if all the anoncoins around are really anons or not.
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August 05, 2014, 11:36:30 AM
#14
If your asking in a present tense then I'd say a cryptonote coin like Monero.  I'm a believer That coins like XC, DRK and others have real potential.  That shouldn't be ignored and are worth taking the time to look into.
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August 05, 2014, 08:44:46 AM
#13
One of the bitcointalk ads says:
"Even if you use Bitcoin through Tor, the way transactions are handled by the network makes anonymity difficult to achieve. Do not expect your transactions to be anonymous unless you really know what you're doing."

In your opinion, which coin really has anonymous transaction? Is total anonymity possible at all?

I research this question for some time. There are a lot of peoples under each post who trying to promote their one RealAnonCoin but what i get

Bitcoin mixer and shared transaction services - it looks like real way only if you trust the service.
https://bitmixer.io/index.html - one of them

Darkcoin - Masternode technology. popular, interesting and expensive if i get the ino right(10% for darksend)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/anonymity-in-darkcoins-724083 look here - there are a lot info and links about darkcoin technology

Bytecoin/Monero - cryptonight. ring signatures. if you want to look at this kind of coins - just read about Cryptonight and ringsignatures, not about concrete coin.

There are a lot of "truly anonymous"  coins with Guy Fawkes but they look unserious for me.
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August 05, 2014, 07:51:22 AM
#12
It really seems a good coin. I have a question. What is "Adaptive parameters" under Features here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-a-secure-private-untraceable-cryptocurrency-583449

This part is interesting:
Unlike Bitcoin, your funds are not held in the address you give out to others. Instead, every time you receive a payment it goes to an unlinkable address generated with random numbers. When you decide to spend the funds in that one-time address, the amount will be broken down and the components will be indistinguishable from identical outputs in the blockchain.

The adaptive parameters are discussed in the CryptoNote whitepaper - a good starting point is our annotated version of the whitepaper (the annotations are raw, so just ignore the occasional piece of snark;) that you can grab here: http://monero.cc/downloads/whitepaper_annotated.pdf - a lot of it is around hard-coded constraints in Bitcoin and Bitcoin clones that are adaptive or flexible in Monero.

One of the key features that makes privacy inherent in Monero is, as you pointed out, stealth addresses. You only have one "address", which is not an address in the Bitcoin sense of the term, and when funds are sent to it the address is unpacked and the resulting key combined with random data to compute the destination for a particular output. This means that it's impossible to inspect the blockchain and find someone's balance, and if your address is leaked there's ostensibly no way for blockchain analysis to confirm whether or not you received funds to that address.

Of course, there are esoteric attacks that could reveal information about a sender or recipient, which is why ring signatures provide an additional layer of ambiguity. Basically, with ring signatures a transaction output is signed by you and by a group of random signatories (garnered from the utxoset, and the number of signatures is specified by you). Only one of these signatures is "true" (and that can be determined by the recipient), but to an outside observer they cannot determine which of the N signatures on an output is true, as they all appear to be valid.

Additional edge cases can and do exist that may "deanonymise" a group of signatures, but they are such extreme edge cases that they are not going to be a concern except where a sufficiently advanced and powerful attacker exists (and in that case they'd probably just beat you with a pipe wrench till they get your privkey and can access everything anyway). There have been suggestions such as enforcing a minimum mixin, and there's an interesting discussion on the pitfalls of such a system on the CryptoNote forum if you're interested. Ultimately there are many, many things outside of Monero's control that are more likely to unmask someone, such as them being caught physically receiving a marked package at the post office, but for the purposes of most transactions Monero provides a 100% working system in which transactions are cryptographically unlinkable and untraceable.
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August 05, 2014, 07:35:31 AM
#11
Monero is the best anon coin hands down.
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August 05, 2014, 07:20:00 AM
#10
Credits CRD will be the most safe and secure way to go it also will have an integrated decentralized exchange
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ann-credits-crd-with-20-decentralized-exchangeanonmarketmore-peak-july-2nd-634403

Video to upcoming 2.0 version http://vimeo.com/100148381


One of the bitcointalk ads says:
"Even if you use Bitcoin through Tor, the way transactions are handled by the network makes anonymity difficult to achieve. Do not expect your transactions to be anonymous unless you really know what you're doing."

In your opinion, which coin really has anonymous transaction? Is total anonymity possible at all?

I also have a question for you. Can you please explain me what "Decentralized marketplace" under Features means?
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August 05, 2014, 07:11:45 AM
#9
Monero offers unparalleled priquidity.  I made that up.  I'm proud of it.  (privacy * liquidity) = priquidity.  I also haven't slept in too darn long.

That's a good word: priquidity. If you say it somewhere, people will think you are an expert.
Btw, I'm just studying about Monero.

It really seems a good coin. I have a question. What is "Adaptive parameters" under Features here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-a-secure-private-untraceable-cryptocurrency-583449

This part is interesting:
Unlike Bitcoin, your funds are not held in the address you give out to others. Instead, every time you receive a payment it goes to an unlinkable address generated with random numbers. When you decide to spend the funds in that one-time address, the amount will be broken down and the components will be indistinguishable from identical outputs in the blockchain.
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