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legendary
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May I know your reasoning ?
Why not buy 6 S1 ?

 It is rapidly approaching the price-point where it will not make sense to purchase 6 x S1's, as you will need an additional purchase of at least two 1200W power supplies to power all six units.

 Given the S2 ships for $2094 (after $400 coupon application), and does ~1w/gHs for 1tHs total, it's not a clear decision either way.

 Personally, I'm starting to phase out all my S1's for S2's and A1 clones. Would be nice to acquire a Spondoolies unit in short order...
legendary
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May I know your reasoning ?
Why not buy 6 S1 ?

Cause they have double power consumption, so unless you have free power S1 aren't making anymore an easy ROI

here is my math 0.492 BTC-0.05 coupon=0.442BTCx437=$193
expenses for 3 mo=$193+3X$36 (electricity at $0.12/kw/h with 410w at 375mhz)+$70 PSU=$371 in expenses.
revenue: absolute max of 0.87 btc in 3 mo (with 45% montly diff rise or ~13% each period)=$381, essentially=expenses
Conclusion: unless BTC rises, it is difficult to make any money by mining using S1.

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May I know your reasoning ?
Why not buy 6 S1 ?

Cause they have double power consumption, so unless you have free power S1 aren't making anymore an easy ROI
sr. member
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Since these are basically the same chips as the s1 why is it so hard to overclock these to 1.2th/s? That is only 20gh/s per board.

I would think down the road we should see better results pumping these up.

 first off  you blow up the  stock psu.
  so you need to pull the psu and put in one like this:

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-1300G2-ATX12V-120-G2-1300-XR/dp/B00COIZTZM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399719720&sr=8-1&keywords=evga+1300

195 usd

or thishttp://www.amazon.com/SeaSonic-ATX12V-Platinum-PLATINUM-1200-SS-1200XP3/dp/B00JG5LSN8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399719766&sr=8-1&keywords=seasonic+1200

290 usd

or this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182063

adds to the roi.

next if you one from above  and oc the gear you will overheat it. So you need to improve cooling.  pull the fans put in ones with more air movement = louder and ac the room.


so squeezing out that extra hash will cost more then it is worth.

I hope this is an isolated incident with the stock power supply. I think Enermax makes the most reliable power supplies around, I have them in everything and wouldn't buy anything else even though they cost more than similarly spec'ed units.  Never had a failure and never lose sleep worrying about my power supplies. Smiley

the psu is underpowered.  use 9 boards or buy a better power supply.  many many many stories about this psu not cutting it in this piece of gear.


New price for AntMiner S2 1 TH/s Miner Batch 4: 2494 USD each one, shipping cost included.
    the price is getting closer for me to pull the trigger.  it is now   2094 USD after coupon


May I know your reasoning ?
Why not buy 6 S1 ?
legendary
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Since these are basically the same chips as the s1 why is it so hard to overclock these to 1.2th/s? That is only 20gh/s per board.

I would think down the road we should see better results pumping these up.

 first off  you blow up the  stock psu.
  so you need to pull the psu and put in one like this:

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-1300G2-ATX12V-120-G2-1300-XR/dp/B00COIZTZM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399719720&sr=8-1&keywords=evga+1300

195 usd

or thishttp://www.amazon.com/SeaSonic-ATX12V-Platinum-PLATINUM-1200-SS-1200XP3/dp/B00JG5LSN8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399719766&sr=8-1&keywords=seasonic+1200

290 usd

or this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182063

adds to the roi.

next if you one from above  and oc the gear you will overheat it. So you need to improve cooling.  pull the fans put in ones with more air movement = louder and ac the room.


so squeezing out that extra hash will cost more then it is worth.

I hope this is an isolated incident with the stock power supply. I think Enermax makes the most reliable power supplies around, I have them in everything and wouldn't buy anything else even though they cost more than similarly spec'ed units.  Never had a failure and never lose sleep worrying about my power supplies. Smiley

the psu is underpowered.  use 9 boards or buy a better power supply.  many many many stories about this psu not cutting it in this piece of gear.


New price for AntMiner S2 1 TH/s Miner Batch 4: 2494 USD each one, shipping cost included.
    the price is getting closer for me to pull the trigger.  it is now   2094 USD after coupon

hero member
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Sonofabitch power supply gave up at midnight last night (perfect time too), so now I'm running on a 750W @ 700 Gh/s  Angry
Bitmain has organized to send me a replacement psu and power board on Monday... pretty good service, even on a weekend!
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Since these are basically the same chips as the s1 why is it so hard to overclock these to 1.2th/s? That is only 20gh/s per board.

I would think down the road we should see better results pumping these up.

 first off  you blow up the  stock psu.
  so you need to pull the psu and put in one like this:

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-1300G2-ATX12V-120-G2-1300-XR/dp/B00COIZTZM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399719720&sr=8-1&keywords=evga+1300

195 usd

or thishttp://www.amazon.com/SeaSonic-ATX12V-Platinum-PLATINUM-1200-SS-1200XP3/dp/B00JG5LSN8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399719766&sr=8-1&keywords=seasonic+1200

290 usd

or this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182063

adds to the roi.

next if you one from above  and oc the gear you will overheat it. So you need to improve cooling.  pull the fans put in ones with more air movement = louder and ac the room.


so squeezing out that extra hash will cost more then it is worth.

I hope this is an isolated incident with the stock power supply. I think Enermax makes the most reliable power supplies around, I have them in everything and wouldn't buy anything else even though they cost more than similarly spec'ed units.  Never had a failure and never lose sleep worrying about my power supplies. Smiley
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New price for AntMiner S2 1 TH/s Miner Batch 4: 2494 USD each one, shipping cost included.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
Since these are basically the same chips as the s1 why is it so hard to overclock these to 1.2th/s? That is only 20gh/s per board.

I would think down the road we should see better results pumping these up.

 first off  you blow up the  stock psu.
  so you need to pull the psu and put in one like this:

http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-SuperNOVA-1300G2-ATX12V-120-G2-1300-XR/dp/B00COIZTZM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399719720&sr=8-1&keywords=evga+1300

195 usd

or thishttp://www.amazon.com/SeaSonic-ATX12V-Platinum-PLATINUM-1200-SS-1200XP3/dp/B00JG5LSN8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1399719766&sr=8-1&keywords=seasonic+1200

290 usd


or this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182063


adds to the roi.

next if you one from above  and oc the gear you will overheat it. So you need to improve cooling.  pull the fans put in ones with more air movement = louder and ac the room.



so squeezing out that extra hash will cost more then it is worth.
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It has been done already. Klondike, where are you?
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Since these are basically the same chips as the s1 why is it so hard to overclock these to 1.2th/s? That is only 20gh/s per board.

I would think down the road we should see better results pumping these up.
hero member
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Sonofabitch power supply gave up at midnight last night (perfect time too), so now I'm running on a 750W @ 700 Gh/s  Angry
legendary
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Has everyone who ordered batch 4 gotten their tracking numbers? I am still waiting for mine. I sent a request but have not heard back from them yet....

I have, ordered on the 5th.
hero member
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Has everyone who ordered batch 4 gotten their tracking numbers? I am still waiting for mine. I sent a request but have not heard back from them yet....

UPDATE: I got it. Just a minor mixup with my info. But they sorted it all out Cheesy
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I have 2 S2 to sell at $2500 USD shipped directly from BitMain, brand new of course!! If interested please contact me.
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OK the S2 now has been running for 16hrs and the (avg) has dropped down to 903gh/s. I've emailed Bitmain about getting a replacement but haven't heard back yet. Has anyone had any experience with Bitmain when it comes to warranty issues, or how supportive they are in resolving these types of issues?
Are you sure all blades working well?
As tzortz said above, are you sure all blades are working well? Do you see green lights flashing on all of them?

You might just have a faulty board or 2. Try by taking them out: take one out, boot up and see if it runs at 900 Gh/s or 800Gh/s. If it runs at 800, then put that board back in and take out another one and try again... that way you can narrow it down to which boards are faulty and send those ones instead of sending the whole machine... that way you can still mine at 800-900 Gh/s while you wait.

I emailed Bitmain about my faulty machine, it took 2 days to reply, but they sent all the necessary details to RMA, with postage at their cost.
Thanks for the advice, I wasn't quite sure what to do but that is a pretty sound solution there. I was fearing that Bitmain would just ignore me and I'll be stuck with a faulty rig. Sad

I'll post some results in a couple of days as it takes a few hours for the hashing speed to start falling.

Test so far was restarting it about 6.5hrs ago and its already fallen down to 958.14(avg).
Sounds like you might only have 1 board that's faulty, just pull them out one by one (obviously power down in-between) and wait till you see it stable at 900Gh/s, then the board that's out is faulty.

Also check the boards carefully, one of mine was missing one of these little yellow pieces from between the chips and it still worked, but wasn't very stable. I just put it back in place and painted the ends with silver conductive paint and the board seems fine now:


I left it running over night and check the speed in the morning, the speed reduced down to about 850(avg).

I've removed a suspicious blade that was running about 15-20 degrees cooler than the others. Its only been running for about 15min so I'll have to wait for the results to come in, but at a glance the speeds is holding at approx 900GH(avg). If it maintains that speed after about 6 hours then I will remove another card and put it into the empty slot to determine if the fault is on the backplane or the blade.


This is an ongoing issue with Bitmain in general. I too was just hit with a failed part, and the turn around on failed product WILL result in serious loss in mining payouts. There is an advantage to going with Bitmain for mining hardware, however due to their support on hardware with issues, you need to factor in as serious losses in revenue .

Yeah I've accepted that I will probably never reach ROI, and its very frustrating/depressing watching your investment go from bad to worse.
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I mean, that the reductions they make each day is higher than the profit from mining.

Why should I buy knowing that the reduction is running faster than my ROI?

Do you just complain for the sake of complaining... We get it, you are a SP10 fanboy but stop trolling.
I am not complaining in favor of any manufacturer, nor I am a fan-boy of anyone.

I own all kind of gear, from 5x LKetc, 2x Bitmines, 30x S1s (resold also at least 70pcs), 4 S2s, etc.

What I am trying to achieve is in favor of us, the customers.

And also am I trolling discussing about the every day price reductions being made by Bitmain?
No, you ARE trolling when one day you complain that the price is too high and the next day you complain when the price is dropped... enough said!
I just found ignore is a magic button.
Hahahahahahaha! Priceless!
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I mean, that the reductions they make each day is higher than the profit from mining.

Why should I buy knowing that the reduction is running faster than my ROI?

Do you just complain for the sake of complaining... We get it, you are a SP10 fanboy but stop trolling.
I am not complaining in favor of any manufacturer, nor I am a fan-boy of anyone.

I own all kind of gear, from 5x LKetc, 2x Bitmines, 30x S1s (resold also at least 70pcs), 4 S2s, etc.

What I am trying to achieve is in favor of us, the customers.

And also am I trolling discussing about the every day price reductions being made by Bitmain?
No, you ARE trolling when one day you complain that the price is too high and the next day you complain when the price is dropped... enough said!

I just found ignore is a magic button.
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I cannot understand why the reduce the prices every day?

That way, everyone would wait to buy until it gets stabilized.

You will lose minig profits if you wait.. it makes zero sense to wait.  The price isn't dropping fast enough to justify waiting nor should it drop that fast.

The reduction made in 2 days is 2599 - 2529 = $70.

With a single Terra you will not earn $70 in 2 days. You will earn $54 minus the electricity, making it less than $48.

Where am I wrong?

The price the S2 is at is too high - Bitmain is focused on bringing it down to reasonable prices 1 day at a time, just like when they jumped the S1 price down from 0.8BTC to 0.6BTC to catch up to the difficulty trends.

The S2 has 10x the chips and 5.5x the speed of an S1, but still costsa about 11x the price of an S1.   That makes it less appealing as a purchase

The only thing that makes the S2 less appealing is the possibility of having hardware issues, or the POPULAR flash card issues, and then having to wait on a RMA while watching potential revenue pass you by. Trust me, when something goes wrong, speed in resolving the issue in my mind is not a major concern of Bitmain.
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I must have been one of the last purchasers from Batch 3, I feel a little hard done by when they announce a 4th batch $600 lessor in price when they hadn't even dispatched my order yet... Anyway moving along, I don't if this has been raised but I'm curious about the Quality Assurance standards are with Bitmain. I just received my S2 and its been running for 8hrs now and I've been monitoring it for the last couple of hours and the hash rate has been falling about 10gh an hour for the last 3 hours and its now sitting @ 935GH/S (avg). What this the tolerance of hitting the target? Because >-5% doesn't seem acceptable.

Could be temperature related. What are the temps on the 10 Chains?

Theyre all sitting between 47-53 with the exception of one @ 31.

OK the S2 now has been running for 16hrs and the (avg) has dropped down to 903gh/s. I've emailed Bitmain about getting a replacement but haven't heard back yet. Has anyone had any experience with Bitmain when it comes to warranty issues, or how supportive they are in resolving these types of issues?
 

You'll need to RMA your current S2 back to bitmain and they will send a replacement out to you. Could take 2 or more weeks.

This is an ongoing issue with Bitmain in general. I too was just hit with a failed part, and the turn around on failed product WILL result in serious loss in mining payouts. There is an advantage to going with Bitmain for mining hardware, however due to their support on hardware with issues, you need to factor in as serious losses in revenue .
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