From what I saw, platinum isn't that much more efficient than gold.
M
So are you on a 110-120V or 220-240V power source?
115v. However I'm not posting measurements, as I don't have a C1.
M
Topic: ANTMINER S3+ Discussion and Support Thread - page 126. (Read 710164 times)
From what I saw, platinum isn't that much more efficient than gold.
M
So are you on a 110-120V or 220-240V power source?
115v. However I'm not posting measurements, as I don't have a C1.
M
From what I saw, platinum isn't that much more efficient than gold.
M
So are you on a 110-120V or 220-240V power source?
There could be some missing info. needed to help explain the difference. First, list if you are in a 120v (U.S.) or 220v(E.U.) area. Higher volt. countries will have a little better efficiency. Also, the closer you are to the 50% load on the power supply, the more efficient it usually is (so a 1000w power supply running 850w will probably run more wattage than a 1500w power supply running the same 850w). Also, a Titanium, Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze or none supply will have different efficiencies.
From what I saw, platinum isn't that much more efficient than gold.
M
There could be some missing info. needed to help explain the difference. First, list if you are in a 120v (U.S.) or 220v(E.U.) area. Higher volt. countries will have a little better efficiency. Also, the closer you are to the 50% load on the power supply, the more efficient it usually is (so a 1000w power supply running 850w will probably run more wattage than a 1500w power supply running the same 850w). Also, a Titanium, Platinum, Gold, Silver, Bronze or none supply will have different efficiencies.
I have 2x S3+ that run well at 250Mhz, and I have some C1's. So I did a power comparison and am sharing my results.
Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
strange results…
i got 780W/1020GH/sec on c1 using platinum leadtek 1150…
Ah, price speculation. The bane of those who continually post some version of "Why the hell would anyone pay x for y miner, because I have mathematically proven (insert *really* simple math here) that you cannot even break even!! If all you people would stop buying preorders the price will drop!! Preorders don't work, EVER!!", and so on and so forth.
A few price leaps up, coupled with some judicious sales, could net back every single penny ever invested (miner, electricity, shipping, et cetera) along with an enormous profit to boot.
If that never happens, those investments are just a hobby. If that does happen, those investments are a hobby with profits.
Many (most?) hobby miners are content with the costs of a hobby they enjoy, coupled with a chance at a profit.
you have probably just summed up what i say to myself every time i roll my eyes at the posts on this forum.A few price leaps up, coupled with some judicious sales, could net back every single penny ever invested (miner, electricity, shipping, et cetera) along with an enormous profit to boot.
If that never happens, those investments are just a hobby. If that does happen, those investments are a hobby with profits.
Many (most?) hobby miners are content with the costs of a hobby they enjoy, coupled with a chance at a profit.
however, we have arrived at a point in time where mining is commanded by massive company farms and price is dictated by market manipulation.
most new miners don't do proper research and/or have more money than sense. once difficulty hits 50billion, there will be very few profitable mining rigs powered up...
this is also worth a
because even when we hit that sum of difficulty, there will still be 'prospectors' thinking they can compete with the big gold mines.gimme a shovel and a sieve, i'm heading to the hills.
Agreed, 100%.
My point simply being that even at 50 billion, there will be two people happy with their transaction. The person who sold the miner, and the person who bought the miner.
At some point further on, the person who bought it may regret doing so, but that doesn't make the original deal any less than what it was.
Price for S3+ B11 is $210 per unit now 
but I think 0.5 is definitely pushing the highest possible scenarios.If you figure you're paying $0.03 USD per kWh, it now takes you 220 days to break-even with a net profit of 0.01 BTC after those 220 days, for your 0.50 BTC investment, and at 3c per kWh, you start losing money keeping the S3+ operating in July of 2015 (unless the BTC to USD exchange rate goes sky high that is).
Ah, price speculation. The bane of those who continually post some version of "Why the hell would anyone pay x for y miner, because I have mathematically proven (insert *really* simple math here) that you cannot even break even!! If all you people would stop buying preorders the price will drop!! Preorders don't work, EVER!!", and so on and so forth.
A few price leaps up, coupled with some judicious sales, could net back every single penny ever invested (miner, electricity, shipping, et cetera) along with an enormous profit to boot.
If that never happens, those investments are just a hobby. If that does happen, those investments are a hobby with profits.
Many (most?) hobby miners are content with the costs of a hobby they enjoy, coupled with a chance at a profit.
you have probably just summed up what i say to myself every time i roll my eyes at the posts on this forum.
however, we have arrived at a point in time where mining is commanded by massive company farms and price is dictated by market manipulation.
most new miners don't do proper research and/or have more money than sense. once difficulty hits 50billion, there will be very few profitable mining rigs powered up...
this is also worth a
because even when we hit that sum of difficulty, there will still be 'prospectors' thinking they can compete with the big gold mines.gimme a shovel and a sieve, i'm heading to the hills.
Price for S3+ B11 is $210 per unit now
but I think 0.5 is definitely pushing the highest possible scenarios.If you figure you're paying $0.03 USD per kWh, it now takes you 220 days to break-even with a net profit of 0.01 BTC after those 220 days, for your 0.50 BTC investment, and at 3c per kWh, you start losing money keeping the S3+ operating in July of 2015 (unless the BTC to USD exchange rate goes sky high that is).
Ah, price speculation. The bane of those who continually post some version of "Why the hell would anyone pay x for y miner, because I have mathematically proven (insert *really* simple math here) that you cannot even break even!! If all you people would stop buying preorders the price will drop!! Preorders don't work, EVER!!", and so on and so forth.
A few price leaps up, coupled with some judicious sales, could net back every single penny ever invested (miner, electricity, shipping, et cetera) along with an enormous profit to boot.
If that never happens, those investments are just a hobby. If that does happen, those investments are a hobby with profits.
Many (most?) hobby miners are content with the costs of a hobby they enjoy, coupled with a chance at a profit.
Both the C1 and S2's are in the same room, right next to each other, so the ambient temp is the same. The C1 clock speeds are the default of 250. The S2's are overclocked to 250. So, both comparison have 4 hashing boards running at 250Mhz. I'm using the exact same power supply in the tests. I just swapped the power supplies. I had the 1300W connected to one, and the 1000W connected to the other, then swapped.
I am not disputing your results, simply stating the theoretical obvious and trying to pin down the possible cause of the extra consumption.
Don't forget the PSU for the C1 config is also powering the water cooling unit, which is the pump plus 3 fans.
Assuming the fans each gobble up 2 Amps each @ 12V, and so does the pump, then the extra would be 72 watts, i.e 2 fans and 1 pump, and that would also affirm your test with the 1300 supply.
EDIT: Actually, it validates both tests, give or take for PSU efficiencies or lack thereof. Still, I wonder how far the C1 can be pushed .....
Oh good, if I understand correctly. You are saying the higher result on the C1 matches the water cooler unit? If so, then I'm happy that there is a logical explanation. And I'm sure large environments could get a more efficient cooling system that would support numerous C1's, therefore seeing an improved Gh/W efficiency.
Both the C1 and S2's are in the same room, right next to each other, so the ambient temp is the same. The C1 clock speeds are the default of 250. The S2's are overclocked to 250. So, both comparison have 4 hashing boards running at 250Mhz. I'm using the exact same power supply in the tests. I just swapped the power supplies. I had the 1300W connected to one, and the 1000W connected to the other, then swapped.
I am not disputing your results, simply stating the theoretical obvious and trying to pin down the possible cause of the extra consumption.
Don't forget the PSU for the C1 config is also powering the water cooling unit, which is the pump plus 3 fans.
Assuming the fans each gobble up 2 Amps each @ 12V, and so does the pump, then the extra would be 72 watts, i.e 2 fans and 1 pump, and that would also affirm your test with the 1300 supply.
I don't get it either. I expected the C1 to be lower. I have a 2nd C1 that got the same results. I only have 2x S3+ that will do 250Mhz. I'm not trying to make any points, or get into a debate. I am simply sharing some data I collected. Also, there was a question about voltage, and all units have the default setting of 725.
Both the C1 and S2's are in the same room, right next to each other, so the ambient temp is the same. The C1 clock speeds are the default of 250. The S2's are overclocked to 250. So, both comparison have 4 hashing boards running at 250Mhz. I'm using the exact same power supply in the tests. I just swapped the power supplies. I had the 1300W connected to one, and the 1000W connected to the other, then swapped.
I am not disputing your results, simply stating the theoretical obvious and trying to pin down the possible cause of the extra consumption.
Don't forget the PSU for the C1 config is also powering the water cooling unit, which is the pump plus 3 fans.
Assuming the fans each gobble up 2 Amps each @ 12V, and so does the pump, then the extra would be 72 watts, i.e 2 fans and 1 pump, and that would also affirm your test with the 1300 supply.
EDIT: Actually, it validates both tests, give or take for PSU efficiencies or lack thereof. Still, I wonder how far the C1 can be pushed .....
Both the C1 and S2's are in the same room, right next to each other, so the ambient temp is the same. The C1 clock speeds are the default of 250. The S2's are overclocked to 250. So, both comparison have 4 hashing boards running at 250Mhz. I'm using the exact same power supply in the tests. I just swapped the power supplies. I had the 1300W connected to one, and the 1000W connected to the other, then swapped. Don't forget the PSU for the C1 config is also powering the water cooling unit, which is the pump plus 3 fans.
I thought of the pump + 3 fans idea ... but two S3+'s have four fans altogether. So I'd think it's roughly the same, unless there's something about those C1 fans and pump that is using more power than 4 fans on the S3+'s.
M
I have 2x S3+ that run well at 250Mhz, and I have some C1's. So I did a power comparison and am sharing my results.
Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
I wonder how far an OC'd C1 can be pushed though .... seeing it is stock rated for ~1Gh/s @ 250 (and the S3+'s were never rated that high, albeit for bitmain's assertion that most will hit 500 Gh/s), that liquid cooling may have some mileage still, what with ramping up that solo fan via the blue wire hack in tandem ........ just a thought.Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
I was thinking that too. However, at what cost? Just because it can run at say, 1.2 TH/s, would you want to? Would the additional power usage really not make it worth while? If an S3+ overclocked to the highest uses less power than a C1 at base speed, then C1 power usage might be off the chart for OCing.
M
Am I reading the above chart wrong?
M
Both the C1 and S3's are in the same room, right next to each other, and the ambient temp is the same. The C1 clock speeds are the default of 250. The S2's are overclocked to 250. So, both comparison have 4 hashing boards running at 250Mhz, and all miner voltages are set to 0725. My wall outlet is 120V. I'm using the exact same power supply in the tests. I just swapped the power supplies. I had the 1300W connected to one, and the 1000W connected to the other, then swapped. Don't forget the PSU for the C1 config is also powering the water cooling unit, which is the pump plus 3 fans. I have 2x C1's and both are using the same watts. I can't explain it. I'm just sharing. I wish my C1's were using less electricity, and would like to know if I have a couple lemons or what...
I have 2x S3+ that run well at 250Mhz, and I have some C1's. So I did a power comparison and am sharing my results.
Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
I wonder how far an OC'd C1 can be pushed though .... seeing it is stock rated for ~1Gh/s @ 250 (and the S3+'s were never rated that high, albeit for bitmain's assertion that most will hit 500 Gh/s), that liquid cooling may have some mileage still, what with ramping up that solo fan via the blue wire hack in tandem ........ just a thought.Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
I was thinking that too. However, at what cost? Just because it can run at say, 1.2 TH/s, would you want to? Would the additional power usage really not make it worth while? If an S3+ overclocked to the highest uses less power than a C1 at base speed, then C1 power usage might be off the chart for OCing.
M
Am I reading the above chart wrong?
M
I have 2x S3+ that run well at 250Mhz, and I have some C1's. So I did a power comparison and am sharing my results.
Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
I wonder how far an OC'd C1 can be pushed though .... seeing it is stock rated for ~1Gh/s @ 250 (and the S3+'s were never rated that high, albeit for bitmain's assertion that most will hit 500 Gh/s), that liquid cooling may have some mileage still, what with ramping up that solo fan via the blue wire hack in tandem ........ just a thought.Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
I was thinking that too. However, at what cost? Just because it can run at say, 1.2 TH/s, would you want to? Would the additional power usage really not make it worth while? If an S3+ overclocked to the highest uses less power than a C1 at base speed, then C1 power usage might be off the chart for OCing.
M
I have 2x S3+ that run well at 250Mhz, and I have some C1's. So I did a power comparison and am sharing my results.
Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
I wonder how far an OC'd C1 can be pushed though .... seeing it is stock rated for ~1Gh/s @ 250 (and the S3+'s were never rated that high, albeit for bitmain's assertion that most will hit 500 Gh/s), that liquid cooling may have some mileage still, what with ramping up that solo fan via the blue wire hack in tandem ........ just a thought.Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
I was thinking that too. However, at what cost? Just because it can run at say, 1.2 TH/s, would you want to? Would the additional power usage really not make it worth while? If an S3+ overclocked to the highest uses less power than a C1 at base speed, then C1 power usage might be off the chart for OCing.
M
I have 2x S3+ that run well at 250Mhz, and I have some C1's. So I did a power comparison and am sharing my results.
Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
I wonder how far an OC'd C1 can be pushed though .... seeing it is stock rated for ~1Gh/s @ 250 (and the S3+'s were never rated that high, albeit for bitmain's assertion that most will hit 500 Gh/s), that liquid cooling may have some mileage still, what with ramping up that solo fan via the blue wire hack in tandem ........ just a thought. Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
I have 2x S3+ that run well at 250Mhz, and I have some C1's. So I did a power comparison and am sharing my results.
Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
That's interesting. That means I should be OC'ing my S3+ units as I'd still come out better than a C1 will!
Not what I expected.
M
I have 2x S3+ that run well at 250Mhz, and I have some C1's. So I did a power comparison and am sharing my results.
Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
Configuration MHz Setting Avg Gh/s Watts Efficiency W/Gh PSU Model
2x S3+ 250 1000 903 0.90 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
C1 250 1000 984 0.98 1000W Coolmax 80 Plus Bronze
2x S3+ 250 1000 821 0.82 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
C1 250 1000 881 0.88 1300W Rosewill Lightening 80 Plus Gold
Notes: Actual GH/s is close to 1000. 2x S3+ averaged 504Gh/s each. The power usage for the C1 includes the "ANT C1 Mining Cooling Kit" from syscooling.com.
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