Diff. won't continue to rise as it does.
ROFLMAO. That's what everyone said a year ago.
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Topic: ANTMINER S4 Discussion and Support Thread - page 153. (Read 301481 times)
Apologies, I didn't mean two with couple, I obviously had the german equivalent in mind, which means "some".
ROFLMAO. That's what everyone said a year ago.
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ROFLMAO. That's what everyone said a year ago.
Ready for a friendly bet?
I like the design, the PSU and I think it can be OC'ed. If you don't count the energy costs in, you can get positive ROI in a couple of months.
A "couple"? Two? No chance of that. Here's an optimistic calc with 10% and lower difficulty increases.
http://btcinvest.net/en/bitcoin-mining-profit-calculator.php?diff=34661425924&dcosts=1450&diff_mincrease=10&blpbtc=25&dhsmhs=2000000&diff_mincreasedecrease=3&btcusd=413.24&dpowcon=1200&btcusd_mincrease=0&pcost=0&calcweeks=32&dleadtime=0&action=calc
Break even in about 8 months if you have free energy and have 100% uptime. If you pay for energy you never break even.
Diff. won't continue to rise as it does.
ROFLMAO. That's what everyone said a year ago.
I like the design, the PSU and I think it can be OC'ed. If you don't count the energy costs in, you can get positive ROI in a couple of months. Diff. won't continue to rise as it does.
And I like the fact, that I can hold it in my hands and it's no, possibly shady, cloud thing, which can turn conditions any time.
And I like the fact, that I can hold it in my hands and it's no, possibly shady, cloud thing, which can turn conditions any time.
First, thanks to Bitmain for still making and selling Miners for us small-time home-miners. The S4 looks great and I would love to get one in my hands.
Sadly power costs and taxes are too high in my country (Germany), so I cannot afford it.
So, due to this fact, I still have one S4 coupon, worth $200 price reduction, for sale for 0.2 BTC. Please PM.
Sadly power costs and taxes are too high in my country (Germany), so I cannot afford it.
So, due to this fact, I still have one S4 coupon, worth $200 price reduction, for sale for 0.2 BTC. Please PM.
Whats so great with S4?, can you put some words on that part which we couldn't yet find?
As per my and most of the members analysis S4 will never ROI even if electricity is free.
First, thanks to Bitmain for still making and selling Miners for us small-time home-miners. The S4 looks great and I would love to get one in my hands.
Sadly power costs and taxes are too high in my country (Germany), so I cannot afford it.
So, due to this fact, I still have one S4 coupon, worth $200 price reduction, for sale for 0.2 BTC. Please PM.
Sadly power costs and taxes are too high in my country (Germany), so I cannot afford it.
So, due to this fact, I still have one S4 coupon, worth $200 price reduction, for sale for 0.2 BTC. Please PM.
WOW B1 is sold out. I'm surprised people are actually paying that much for 2Th. Oh wait... no I'm not. Plenty of retarded people out there in crypto land.
Seeing as people paid 1.36 btc @ $600 btc price for 2 antminer s3's......
Why would they not pay less for more hashrate and lower power requirement?
Been holding off on batch 10 for ages though havent they? maybe since they are selling them through hashnest instead at 0.60BTC to have one on hashnest, why sell them when they got people renting them for the same price they were selling them for, when they still own it at the end and can do as cointerra, mine with it then flog them out of the DC at a later date.
It seems like you don't understand the reason he/she's doing it... It's not for money... It's to support the Bitcoin network
With the total hashrate at over 200 Pentahash, I doubt he/she's actually supporting the Bitcoin network.
Want to really support the Bitcoin network? Spread the word of Bitcoin to friends and family, and support local Bitcoin businesses.
Stop donating to these ASIC manufacturers to get minimal BTCs in return.
It seems like you don't understand the reason he/she's doing it... It's not for money... It's to support the Bitcoin network
Does it need supporting at individual miners' expense? What proportion of the network hashrate do individual miners contribute? All I can see is the network hashrate going up and up - and the difficulty with it - mainly due to the actions of the industrial mining companies. Are they supporting the Bitcoin network or are they simply exploiting it? Will these companies still be there hashing away when all the bitcoins have gone? I don't think so...
WOW B1 is sold out. I'm surprised people are actually paying that much for 2Th. Oh wait... no I'm not. Plenty of retarded people out there in crypto land.
Seeing as people paid 1.36 btc @ $600 btc price for 2 antminer s3's......
Why would they not pay less for more hashrate and lower power requirement?
BTC ROI depends on Bitcoin Difficulty and/or BTC price.
So time is money, that time It was affordable but this time its not.
WOW B1 is sold out. I'm surprised people are actually paying that much for 2Th. Oh wait... no I'm not. Plenty of retarded people out there in crypto land.
Seeing as people paid 1.36 btc @ $600 btc price for 2 antminer s3's......
Why would they not pay less for more hashrate and lower power requirement?
BTC ROI depends on Bitcoin Difficulty and/or BTC price.
So time is money, that time It was affordable but this time its not.
Hasn't Bitmaintech already made loads of money? Maybe they should subsidize the S4 to support the network and its decentralization! 
They are doing a business of a very risky hardware manufacturing.
Their aim is to run the business for profit because the primary target of all business firms is profit even if none agrees.
Supporting Network and Helping Miners have very low or no priority depending on the director.
Home Miners have no level playing field now, these companies should create it.
There all manufacturers are failing, BitMainTech Miners gave it till S3 now they are also out.
Now the Home or small scale miners should wait till their level playing field expand again.
WOW B1 is sold out. I'm surprised people are actually paying that much for 2Th. Oh wait... no I'm not. Plenty of retarded people out there in crypto land.
Seeing as people paid 1.36 btc @ $600 btc price for 2 antminer s3's......
Why would they not pay less for more hashrate and lower power requirement?
Hasn't Bitmaintech already made loads of money? Maybe they should subsidize the S4 to support the network and its decentralization!
It seems like you don't understand the reason he/she's doing it... It's not for money... It's to support the Bitcoin network
If your view is correct, then we should call it as a "donation" than "fees".
It seems like you don't understand the reason he/she's doing it... It's not for money... It's to support the Bitcoin network
I bought today the s4 and about one month i buy again 2 machines. I dont know what's the problem. The miners what i have from them work perfect and after next week i make something like 2.5 btc a month. so not bad with my 5 a 6 th/s
No problems expect that, all the BTC you send for buying S4 will never com back.
Should consider it as your fee to learn what these things are.
Happy mining looser.
I bought today the s4 and about one month i buy again 2 machines. I dont know what's the problem. The miners what i have from them work perfect and after next week i make something like 2.5 btc a month. so not bad with my 5 a 6 th/s
No problem feel free and buy the 4 I was going to get, I prefer to actually ROI not just mine btc at any cost.
Thank you man. Some people are crazy i think or they hate miners? i don't know. Bitcoin is created for a brighter world but a lot of people here are nuts and i wondering if they really like Bitcoin!
Too true ... Rule 1: NEVER buy the first incarnation of anything related to BTC mining with Bitmain. They will learn from any problems and refine.
Then the price may ... (should) ... drop, but so will the rewards with ongoing difficulty.
Then the price may ... (should) ... drop, but so will the rewards with ongoing difficulty.
I got B1 (4.75) and B2 (4.25) S1 units and they were perfect. Mined about 6.5 and 6btc respectively, and resold for almost the electricity costs of the entire time running them.
I agree with you, most people here can't buy i think. Without you and me no Bitcoins in this world partner
So what makes you think it should be less than $400? People like you years ago made fun of bitcoin and said the same crap.
Who said about less, buddy?Quote
Also, I don't think religion applies to bitcoin, you can "Oh, God..." all you want at your local church 
Please stop this. 
God is the Universe, BTC is a happening in this Universe, so please stop this unnecessary bla-bla...I agree with you!!
I'm glad the trolls who can't math agree with each-other. My recommendation Sally & Rabin is that you each buy 2 S4s immediately before Batch #1 sells out! You're absolutely right, Bitcoin will be worth an incomprehensible sum of $local_currency in the future! And you are too terrible at math to realize than rather than being a millionaire with X million, you will only have .75*X million. But you know what? That's okay, because you'll still be millionaires, and that's all you'll see, and that is probably enough.
In the meantime, we have irrational actors running a substantial percentage of the Bitcoin network, like Sally and Rabin over here, who are a substantial part of the reason why the hashrate (and thus the network difficulty) continue to go up at a break-neck pace despite the profitability per-coin-mined going down. And irrational miners are the reason why the hashrate will continue to trend up at such a substantial rate. So buy your S4, buy two. Mine 'till your heart's content, it makes things tougher on reasonable miners, but not substantially. And you'll have spent far more time, money, and energy getting to where you end up than I will have, and you'll still have fewer Bitcoins than I. So I'm cool with that.
Great post!!!
A little harsh on wannabe miners (like myself really) who want to get in on the mining game, but, definitely justified in relation to the crazy price of the S4.....although for me it would be .35*X million due to shipping, import duty and high electricity costs!
i dont do it for the money people. If i would be a millionare of this i would share it with poor people! That's why Bitcoin excist. Satoshi Nakamoto said "Bitcoin is made for a nice and beautiful world and who abuse it, i will destroy that person''. I'm allready in Bitcoin for 3 years so please stop with al this crap please. Without us no Bitcoins, if you don't have the money for a miner that's fucked up, but not my problem!!!
Too true ... Rule 1: NEVER buy the first incarnation of anything related to BTC mining with Bitmain. They will learn from any problems and refine.
Then the price may ... (should) ... drop, but so will the rewards with ongoing difficulty.
Then the price may ... (should) ... drop, but so will the rewards with ongoing difficulty.
I got B1 (4.75) and B2 (4.25) S1 units and they were perfect. Mined about 6.5 and 6btc respectively, and resold for almost the electricity costs of the entire time running them.
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