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Topic: ANTMINER S5+ is available to order, 7.722TH/S 0.445J/GH - page 9. (Read 40193 times)

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ALL the 3 PCIE connectors are needed to be connected to power supply on each hash board since it is based on serial power solution and there is no DC/DC inside the miner. Including the one PCIE connector on control board, there are 28 connectors in total.
Several PSU will be needed to support the miner, anyone spare PCIE connector from PSU will be connected to control board.
But be sure to power all the other PSU first and power on the last PSU which control board is connected in the end. this is very important!! Smiley

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You can use as many PSUs as you want as long as you don't have multiple PSUs powering the same individual board (of which there is 9).
Do all PCI ports need to be powered?  Or will it run with 2 on each board?  
2 is fine, still only about 165W per PCI-E.
Are you certain that using 2 is fine? The product description page says all three are required. It may be that each PCIe plug powers a specific set of chips; the 3 PCIe connectors may not share a common power bus at all as in, say, the S3 design. Without knowing the actual S5+ design, or having an actual unit to look at, saying "2 is fine" is only speculation at this point unless something more is known than what bitmain has disclosed so far.

Bitmain could confirm this here, but they aren't posting much these days. If anyone already has a unit, they could also confirm whether using 2 out of the 3 connectors works and post here.
What Bitmain customer Service told us was we have to use all 3 connectors for each board, As my understanding if each board need at least 382W(3436/9), in average each connector should be bear [email protected] , and if it works  using only 2 connectors instead that will be [email protected] for each connector , it is high risk to heat up or burn your cables if they are not good enough.    
This still doesn't answer the question of whether all 3 are *required* by design, or can 2 be used if the cables can handle the increased current?

BTW the power requirements aren't as high as you mention: 3436W quoted by bitmaintech is at the wall, using a 93% efficient PSU. So the DC power to the S5+ would only be 3436*0.93 or 3196 watts, or 355W per board. *If* the design allowed the use of 2 connectors per board, this would put 178W per connector (14.8A). This isn't bad, considering S3+ units can easily be powered with 2 PCIe cables and those use around 355W as well.
legendary
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You can use as many PSUs as you want as long as you don't have multiple PSUs powering the same individual board (of which there is 9).
Do all PCI ports need to be powered?  Or will it run with 2 on each board?  
2 is fine, still only about 165W per PCI-E.
Are you certain that using 2 is fine? The product description page says all three are required. It may be that each PCIe plug powers a specific set of chips; the 3 PCIe connectors may not share a common power bus at all as in, say, the S3 design. Without knowing the actual S5+ design, or having an actual unit to look at, saying "2 is fine" is only speculation at this point unless something more is known than what bitmain has disclosed so far.

Bitmain could confirm this here, but they aren't posting much these days. If anyone already has a unit, they could also confirm whether using 2 out of the 3 connectors works and post here.
What Bitmain customer Service told us was we have to use all 3 connectors for each board, As my understanding if each board need at least 382W(3436/9), in average each connector should be bear [email protected] , and if it works  using only 2 connectors instead that will be [email protected] for each connector , it is high risk to heat up or burn your cables if they are not good enough.    
This still doesn't answer the question of whether all 3 are *required* by design, or can 2 be used if the cables can handle the increased current?

BTW the power requirements aren't as high as you mention: 3436W quoted by bitmaintech is at the wall, using a 93% efficient PSU. So the DC power to the S5+ would only be 3436*0.93 or 3196 watts, or 355W per board. *If* the design allowed the use of 2 connectors per board, this would put 178W per connector (14.8A). This isn't bad, considering S3+ units can easily be powered with 2 PCIe cables and those use around 355W as well.

They make a big deal about using 3 per board, so I would not try to personally.  They actually ship a piece of paper with some general instructions, and an email with it to.   And in all of them it made sure you use 3 per board.

So under pcie specs should it run if high quality psu with nice cables... yes.  But they make sure to tell you only run with 3 in each.  If you do 2 i'm sure it violates warranty.

Many comments I can reply to in one quote! The reason it says 3 connectors are required is because I wrote that long ago for S5, and they just updated the numbers in the announcement without reconsidering what it was actually saying. If you've got 16AWG then you could use 2 PCI-E from the same branch, 18AWG and you'll need 2 branches and you should keep checking on it for the first 30 minutes.

Only problem I see is if something goes wrong.   If for some reason you need warranty it seems using 2 instead of 3 might be "inadequate power supply" and void warranty.

If they would care/void warranty I have no idea.   Thanks for writing it out I didn't look into it after all the warnings, but glad to know it works for those who need it and have right equipment.
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You can use as many PSUs as you want as long as you don't have multiple PSUs powering the same individual board (of which there is 9).
Do all PCI ports need to be powered?  Or will it run with 2 on each board?  
2 is fine, still only about 165W per PCI-E.
Are you certain that using 2 is fine? The product description page says all three are required. It may be that each PCIe plug powers a specific set of chips; the 3 PCIe connectors may not share a common power bus at all as in, say, the S3 design. Without knowing the actual S5+ design, or having an actual unit to look at, saying "2 is fine" is only speculation at this point unless something more is known than what bitmain has disclosed so far.

Bitmain could confirm this here, but they aren't posting much these days. If anyone already has a unit, they could also confirm whether using 2 out of the 3 connectors works and post here.
What Bitmain customer Service told us was we have to use all 3 connectors for each board, As my understanding if each board need at least 382W(3436/9), in average each connector should be bear [email protected] , and if it works  using only 2 connectors instead that will be [email protected] for each connector , it is high risk to heat up or burn your cables if they are not good enough.    
This still doesn't answer the question of whether all 3 are *required* by design, or can 2 be used if the cables can handle the increased current?

BTW the power requirements aren't as high as you mention: 3436W quoted by bitmaintech is at the wall, using a 93% efficient PSU. So the DC power to the S5+ would only be 3436*0.93 or 3196 watts, or 355W per board. *If* the design allowed the use of 2 connectors per board, this would put 178W per connector (14.8A). This isn't bad, considering S3+ units can easily be powered with 2 PCIe cables and those use around 355W as well.

They make a big deal about using 3 per board, so I would not try to personally.  They actually ship a piece of paper with some general instructions, and an email with it to.   And in all of them it made sure you use 3 per board.

So under pcie specs should it run if high quality psu with nice cables... yes.  But they make sure to tell you only run with 3 in each.  If you do 2 i'm sure it violates warranty.

Many comments I can reply to in one quote! The reason it says 3 connectors are required is because I wrote that long ago for S5, and they just updated the numbers in the announcement without reconsidering what it was actually saying. If you've got 16AWG then you could use 2 PCI-E from the same branch, 18AWG and you'll need 2 branches and you should keep checking on it for the first 30 minutes.
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My first impressions of the S5+

It's smaller than I thought it would be.  
It runs fine with 3x1300 watt psus.  
It isn't any louder than a group of S5s.  
It stays cooler than S5s running in the same conditions at lower clocks.

There's a whole discussion around how many cables per board you really need. Bitmain says 3, but if it's just a matter of cable capacity and not how the board is designed to route power, then you can probably get by with less cables as long as they're beefy enough.

Did you wire your 3 1300w PSUs to handle 28 connections (3 for each of 9 boards plus one for the controller) or did you make due with less?

If you wired all 28 with Y splitters from 3 PSUs you must have made klondike_bar happy...

I wired each board with 2 cables, one being split to having 2 connectors.  All connections are filled.  I used 3 EVGA 1300 watt PSUs.  I really am impressed with how cool it stays compared to regular S5s.  My S5+ @ 325 frequency is sitting at 59 degrees while my S5s @ 275 frequency are sitting at 66 degrees.

You can see it mining away here:
https://www.nicehash.com/?p=miners&addr=1NastyFRkeUTmMdbMmzggDVTQA6r3ibUoX&a=1&l=1
legendary
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My first impressions of the S5+

It's smaller than I thought it would be.  
It runs fine with 3x1300 watt psus.  
It isn't any louder than a group of S5s.  
It stays cooler than S5s running in the same conditions at lower clocks.

There's a whole discussion around how many cables per board you really need. Bitmain says 3, but if it's just a matter of cable capacity and not how the board is designed to route power, then you can probably get by with less cables as long as they're beefy enough.

Did you wire your 3 1300w PSUs to handle 28 connections (3 for each of 9 boards plus one for the controller) or did you make due with less?

If you wired all 28 with Y splitters from 3 PSUs you must have made klondike_bar happy...
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My first impressions of the S5+

It's smaller than I thought it would be.  
It runs fine with 3x1300 watt psus.  
It isn't any louder than a group of S5s.  
It stays cooler than S5s running in the same conditions at lower clocks.
legendary
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so... x27 6pin pcie cables per miner....  im planning to use 3 hp 1200w power supply per miner... but.. 9 cables per power supply ..  Huh this seems hard to do... anyone knows where to purchase those 6 pin pcie cables awg 16.. ? Smiley

If I was reading right, X28 6pin PCIE. Needs 1 for the control board.

Yes, this is true. You need a separate power cable for the controller, so people should take that into account in their planning.

It is crazy the amount of PCIe cables being used, but it does work great.   I used the suggested bitmain psu's and it is crazy they have pcie cables left over even after everything is plugged in.

But so far vary positive experience with bitmain PSU's.  The are not the cheapest but they come with no breakout board to mess with and no cords to mess with hooking up to breakout board.  So I was happy with them.  
legendary
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so... x27 6pin pcie cables per miner....  im planning to use 3 hp 1200w power supply per miner... but.. 9 cables per power supply ..  Huh this seems hard to do... anyone knows where to purchase those 6 pin pcie cables awg 16.. ? Smiley

If I was reading right, X28 6pin PCIE. Needs 1 for the control board.

Yes, this is true. You need a separate power cable for the controller, so people should take that into account in their planning.
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so... x27 6pin pcie cables per miner....  im planning to use 3 hp 1200w power supply per miner... but.. 9 cables per power supply ..  Huh this seems hard to do... anyone knows where to purchase those 6 pin pcie cables awg 16.. ? Smiley

If you use cables like this , you will need 9 of these . more tidy , main cable is 12AWG , and split is 16AWG .

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so... x27 6pin pcie cables per miner....  im planning to use 3 hp 1200w power supply per miner... but.. 9 cables per power supply ..  Huh this seems hard to do... anyone knows where to purchase those 6 pin pcie cables awg 16.. ? Smiley

If I was reading right, X28 6pin PCIE. Needs 1 for the control board.
legendary
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Of course we'll see another batch. There's no way that the S5+ is a one time event. But at this late stage there's no way it will run as long as the S3 did (what was that, 6 batches?)

Here's my fantasy:

1. BTC amps back up to the $1000 range just before Bitmain announces batch 2. They price accordingly at 2.3 BTC per S5+.

2. I place my order.

3. BTC drops back back to today's $240-ish.

4. Difficulty stagnates.

5. Profit.

Don't laugh. It could happen.

today it is $220-ish.  Tomorrow will be $200 ish

Yes, it's not exactly heading in the right direction...

I've got a new fantasy now. On the new BM1385 chip announcement thread, suchmoon pointed out that the S3 was shipped a mere 2 weeks after the announcement of the BM1382 chip. If that means the possibility of the S7 being released in the first week of September, then I'm glad I missed the S5+ boat.

If there is another batch of S5+'s, they had better be heavily discounted or I'll just wait to see what happens.
legendary
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Here is my first testing with a S5+ - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/hands-on-bitmain-antminer-s5-notlist3d-1157426

Finally got something big enough to need my 240.  Pretty amazing as far as footprint they put over 7T is a very small area.
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Of course we'll see another batch. There's no way that the S5+ is a one time event. But at this late stage there's no way it will run as long as the S3 did (what was that, 6 batches?)

Here's my fantasy:

1. BTC amps back up to the $1000 range just before Bitmain announces batch 2. They price accordingly at 2.3 BTC per S5+.

2. I place my order.

3. BTC drops back back to today's $240-ish.

4. Difficulty stagnates.

5. Profit.

Don't laugh. It could happen.

today it is $220-ish.  Tomorrow will be $200 ish
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You can use as many PSUs as you want as long as you don't have multiple PSUs powering the same individual board (of which there is 9).
Do all PCI ports need to be powered?  Or will it run with 2 on each board?  
2 is fine, still only about 165W per PCI-E.
Are you certain that using 2 is fine? The product description page says all three are required. It may be that each PCIe plug powers a specific set of chips; the 3 PCIe connectors may not share a common power bus at all as in, say, the S3 design. Without knowing the actual S5+ design, or having an actual unit to look at, saying "2 is fine" is only speculation at this point unless something more is known than what bitmain has disclosed so far.

Bitmain could confirm this here, but they aren't posting much these days. If anyone already has a unit, they could also confirm whether using 2 out of the 3 connectors works and post here.
What Bitmain customer Service told us was we have to use all 3 connectors for each board, As my understanding if each board need at least 382W(3436/9), in average each connector should be bear [email protected] , and if it works  using only 2 connectors instead that will be [email protected] for each connector , it is high risk to heat up or burn your cables if they are not good enough.    
This still doesn't answer the question of whether all 3 are *required* by design, or can 2 be used if the cables can handle the increased current?

BTW the power requirements aren't as high as you mention: 3436W quoted by bitmaintech is at the wall, using a 93% efficient PSU. So the DC power to the S5+ would only be 3436*0.93 or 3196 watts, or 355W per board. *If* the design allowed the use of 2 connectors per board, this would put 178W per connector (14.8A). This isn't bad, considering S3+ units can easily be powered with 2 PCIe cables and those use around 355W as well.
please see test here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pu6qtsuw8-4
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so... x27 6pin pcie cables per miner....  im planning to use 3 hp 1200w power supply per miner... but.. 9 cables per power supply ..  Huh this seems hard to do... anyone knows where to purchase those 6 pin pcie cables awg 16.. ? Smiley
legendary
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You can use as many PSUs as you want as long as you don't have multiple PSUs powering the same individual board (of which there is 9).
Do all PCI ports need to be powered?  Or will it run with 2 on each board?  
2 is fine, still only about 165W per PCI-E.
Are you certain that using 2 is fine? The product description page says all three are required. It may be that each PCIe plug powers a specific set of chips; the 3 PCIe connectors may not share a common power bus at all as in, say, the S3 design. Without knowing the actual S5+ design, or having an actual unit to look at, saying "2 is fine" is only speculation at this point unless something more is known than what bitmain has disclosed so far.

Bitmain could confirm this here, but they aren't posting much these days. If anyone already has a unit, they could also confirm whether using 2 out of the 3 connectors works and post here.
What Bitmain customer Service told us was we have to use all 3 connectors for each board, As my understanding if each board need at least 382W(3436/9), in average each connector should be bear [email protected] , and if it works  using only 2 connectors instead that will be [email protected] for each connector , it is high risk to heat up or burn your cables if they are not good enough.    
This still doesn't answer the question of whether all 3 are *required* by design, or can 2 be used if the cables can handle the increased current?

BTW the power requirements aren't as high as you mention: 3436W quoted by bitmaintech is at the wall, using a 93% efficient PSU. So the DC power to the S5+ would only be 3436*0.93 or 3196 watts, or 355W per board. *If* the design allowed the use of 2 connectors per board, this would put 178W per connector (14.8A). This isn't bad, considering S3+ units can easily be powered with 2 PCIe cables and those use around 355W as well.

They make a big deal about using 3 per board, so I would not try to personally.  They actually ship a piece of paper with some general instructions, and an email with it to.   And in all of them it made sure you use 3 per board.

So under pcie specs should it run if high quality psu with nice cables... yes.  But they make sure to tell you only run with 3 in each.  If you do 2 i'm sure it violates warranty.
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You can use as many PSUs as you want as long as you don't have multiple PSUs powering the same individual board (of which there is 9).
Do all PCI ports need to be powered?  Or will it run with 2 on each board?  
2 is fine, still only about 165W per PCI-E.
Are you certain that using 2 is fine? The product description page says all three are required. It may be that each PCIe plug powers a specific set of chips; the 3 PCIe connectors may not share a common power bus at all as in, say, the S3 design. Without knowing the actual S5+ design, or having an actual unit to look at, saying "2 is fine" is only speculation at this point unless something more is known than what bitmain has disclosed so far.

Bitmain could confirm this here, but they aren't posting much these days. If anyone already has a unit, they could also confirm whether using 2 out of the 3 connectors works and post here.
What Bitmain customer Service told us was we have to use all 3 connectors for each board, As my understanding if each board need at least 382W(3436/9), in average each connector should be bear [email protected] , and if it works  using only 2 connectors instead that will be [email protected] for each connector , it is high risk to heat up or burn your cables if they are not good enough.    
This still doesn't answer the question of whether all 3 are *required* by design, or can 2 be used if the cables can handle the increased current?

BTW the power requirements aren't as high as you mention: 3436W quoted by bitmaintech is at the wall, using a 93% efficient PSU. So the DC power to the S5+ would only be 3436*0.93 or 3196 watts, or 355W per board. *If* the design allowed the use of 2 connectors per board, this would put 178W per connector (14.8A). This isn't bad, considering S3+ units can easily be powered with 2 PCIe cables and those use around 355W as well.
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Further, we can look at this from a historic perspective. Has there ever been a mining product from Bitmain in the past that only had a single batch? Even the U3 had 2 batches, and it probably was a niche item.

Yes.
Antminer S3++
and Antminer L1
https://www.bitmaintech.com/productDetail.htm?pid=00020140830074550960Um75pnzg06E3

I think that we are still seeing S5+ batches, but only used miners, and not before a couple of months.

I thought Bitmain killed their entire Scrypt Miner ASIC project along with KnC.  Weren't able to pull it off, especially when some of the script coin people were warning they were going to intentionally try to FUBAR things for those units should they start shipping them with slight changes.  Not saying there aren't some small scale ASIC in capable of script mining, just they were going to intentionally make the script more resistant if major manufacturers got in the game.  Seems they didn't like the thought of all the centralization occurring.  (Not like it isn't happening anyway)
legendary
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regardless of "x" amt of batches, s7,8,9,X,11 & so on ... end of the day it WILL always be :

TOO EXPENSIVE !
-almost no chance of ROI *unless FREE or SUPER LOW elec rates*
even with that if i'm not mistaken it'll take a minimum of 4-5 months with FREE elec. excluding psu+cable+taxes+0 downtime+100% luck+PERFECT scenario
-prices will always change along with btc price
-miner issues with S&H, HW, FW etc

if you the buyer DO NOT have FREE or super low elec. rates, imVERYho FORGET about it ! DO NOT BUY. buying STOPS so does the KILLING !

most people till now really surprises me that they DO NOT:

-take into account of diff jumps or reduces bla bla bla but always put it at WORSE case scenario 
-also use a lower prediction of BTC prices for ROI calculations please
-add in shipping ! or any taxes if applicable
-psu, cables, fans, etc . . .

just ma couple of sats. $ is yours, decision is yours. atm things does look -ve

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You can use as many PSUs as you want as long as you don't have multiple PSUs powering the same individual board (of which there is 9).
Do all PCI ports need to be powered?  Or will it run with 2 on each board? 
2 is fine, still only about 165W per PCI-E.
Are you certain that using 2 is fine? The product description page says all three are required. It may be that each PCIe plug powers a specific set of chips; the 3 PCIe connectors may not share a common power bus at all as in, say, the S3 design. Without knowing the actual S5+ design, or having an actual unit to look at, saying "2 is fine" is only speculation at this point unless something more is known than what bitmain has disclosed so far.

Bitmain could confirm this here, but they aren't posting much these days. If anyone already has a unit, they could also confirm whether using 2 out of the 3 connectors works and post here.

What Bitmain customer Service told us was we have to use all 3 connectors for each board, As my understanding if each board need at least 382W(3436/9), in average each connector should be bear [email protected] , and if it works  using only 2 connectors instead that will be [email protected] for each connector , it is high risk to heat up or burn your cables if they are not good enough.   
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