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Quote from: btc_angela on January 12, 2019, 11:13:58 PM

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Quote from: 3core on January 12, 2019, 05:59:40 PM

Maybe they are idiots or not just stupid enough to sell cheap, every person as their own goals, I might wish to sell 100btc for peanuts and other person want 10 houses for 1 btc, It does not matter. what matters everyone has his choice to make and should whatever pleases them with coin! it's nobody's business!

only fake holders that hold and then sell at a cheap price in panic. yeah everyone does have its own purpose. but not everyone is able to maintain their goals. including fake holders who are unable to discipline and survive in holding their coins. and actually sell at low prices

I wouldn't call them fake holders. Maybe they are really noob investors and just thought its cool to hold their coins, but once the market goes down they panic and sold everything and decided not to go back. Their lack of understanding is the real cause of it that's why their goals are not met. So they are not holders after all.

Whatever you call it dude. they have a bad influence because they contribute to a dump. maybe they also think that holders are idiots because holder keep holding back even though prices fall. even though the holder is looking forward waiting for the next few years. not in a short time

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Long term holders definitely lose the opportunity to profit in the declining market. I didn't hold my BTC, I have dumped mine sadly, I thought of only dumping few when it hit $19k when I should have go all the way. Now I lost it all. I could have been enjoying the money that I should have. But long term holders will also gain in the future.

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I don't think long term hodlers are idiot , if you see in long term price has consistently increasing moreover it also depends which project you believe in long term.

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Quote from: bitcointlkacc on January 14, 2019, 01:18:10 AM

If someone calls an idiot person who has invested in, for example, 2012 and keeps coins for now, then he becomes an idiot himself.
An idiot is someone who invested in Q4 2017 and sells now.

You are right, and I am sure that person will be the smartest person who can make a bigger profit in 2017 if he sold his bitcoin at a very high price. And the other people who came to bitcoin in that year only make the worst investment ever but don't afraid because bitcoin will increase in the future. So you need to be patient to hold your bitcoin and don't even think that bitcoin cannot rise for a long-term because bitcoin will prove that bitcoin is too strong and can rise in every time.

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No, I don't think so. Actually, no matter how it looks now I think that long term investing in Bitcoin is the most profitable and less risky. But everything depends on circumstances, when exactly did you buy Bitcoin and for how long did you keep it and when did you sell it. So, to my opinion isn't every decision has its background and should be estimated according to circumstances that were valid at that time.

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I can only say that these long term hodlers are complete idiot when they did not sell half or more than half of their portfolio when every coins has reached moon. We should always sell a portion when there's a good opportunity because those virtual coins aren't like antique painting or figurines that will multiply their prices when years go by.

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If someone calls an idiot person who has invested in, for example, 2012 and keeps coins for now, then he becomes an idiot himself.
An idiot is someone who invested in Q4 2017 and sells now.

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well, some people feel that holding for a very long time is an idiot. in fact we don't judge people from that, because sometimes it's not just based on profits. well, but in matters of profit, sometimes people who hold back very long, miss the opportunity to get a big profit.

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longterm holding is smart, because for sure you will get more money compared if you choose the shorterm.

Shorterm: You can get some profit only it takes few months it depends to the coin when it increase sometimes it increase only weeks so you can sell it and you can earn more money too but only low percentage to happen.

Longterm: You can get more profit takes few years and you have a lot of patient. But maybe your waiting will be waisting if the coin is not potential to rise.

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Not because the market continued to fall within 2018 to present then it doesnt mean that long term holding is a shit. Its what being safe while waiting mean. If the price increases , and long term holders earn triple, do you think its still being idiot?

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Quote from: btc_angela on January 12, 2019, 11:13:58 PM

Quote from: BeGoods on January 12, 2019, 09:24:55 PM

Quote from: 3core on January 12, 2019, 05:59:40 PM

Maybe they are idiots or not just stupid enough to sell cheap, every person as their own goals, I might wish to sell 100btc for peanuts and other person want 10 houses for 1 btc, It does not matter. what matters everyone has his choice to make and should whatever pleases them with coin! it's nobody's business!

only fake holders that hold and then sell at a cheap price in panic. yeah everyone does have its own purpose. but not everyone is able to maintain their goals. including fake holders who are unable to discipline and survive in holding their coins. and actually sell at low prices

I wouldn't call them fake holders. Maybe they are really noob investors and just thought its cool to hold their coins, but once the market goes down they panic and sold everything and decided not to go back. Their lack of understanding is the real cause of it that's why their goals are not met. So they are not holders after all.

I guess he didn't mean it to be offensive

He probably meant they were weak and didn't stick to their guns. But that's bullshit, of course, as most of these so-called holders became such against their will. Their goal was as simple as one, two, three, i.e. to buy now and sell later, for a profit, obviously. It is actually not a bad strategy on its own, at least, as long as you don't forget to get out as quickly as you got in when the market turns against you. This is the part which they failed to stick to and thus became holders, fake holders from the beginning, as that was not their true intention

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Quote from: BeGoods on January 12, 2019, 09:24:55 PM

Quote from: 3core on January 12, 2019, 05:59:40 PM

Maybe they are idiots or not just stupid enough to sell cheap, every person as their own goals, I might wish to sell 100btc for peanuts and other person want 10 houses for 1 btc, It does not matter. what matters everyone has his choice to make and should whatever pleases them with coin! it's nobody's business!

only fake holders that hold and then sell at a cheap price in panic. yeah everyone does have its own purpose. but not everyone is able to maintain their goals. including fake holders who are unable to discipline and survive in holding their coins. and actually sell at low prices

I wouldn't call them fake holders. Maybe they are really noob investors and just thought its cool to hold their coins, but once the market goes down they panic and sold everything and decided not to go back. Their lack of understanding is the real cause of it that's why their goals are not met. So they are not holders after all.

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Quote from: 3core on January 12, 2019, 05:59:40 PM

Maybe they are idiots or not just stupid enough to sell cheap, every person as their own goals, I might wish to sell 100btc for peanuts and other person want 10 houses for 1 btc, It does not matter. what matters everyone has his choice to make and should whatever pleases them with coin! it's nobody's business!

only fake holders that hold and then sell at a cheap price in panic. yeah everyone does have its own purpose. but not everyone is able to maintain their goals. including fake holders who are unable to discipline and survive in holding their coins. and actually sell at low prices

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Maybe they are idiots or not just stupid enough to sell cheap, every person as their own goals, I might wish to sell 100btc for peanuts and other person want 10 houses for 1 btc, It does not matter. what matters everyone has his choice to make and should whatever pleases them with coin! it's nobody's business!

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Quote from: Thanasis on January 12, 2019, 12:57:56 PM

Long term means how long? 6 months or 1 year is not long term,it must be atleast two or more years .

Every person has its own kind of deffinition like example in my case i consider long term for only 1 month or two . short term for me is only 3 to 6 days because im not really a die hard investor .

@op yes they are . they are idiots if they doing long term with a bad coin choice . they are idiots if they only hold forever without selling to earn a profit . laslty they are idiots if they are like the op .

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Long term means how long? 6 months or 1 year is not long term,it must be atleast two or more years to reap the profits from your investment as long term since the crypto prices cycle keep swinging in that region for most of the time.They can be the real profit makers if they have enough patience.

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Quote from: Adriano2010 on January 11, 2019, 07:59:47 PM

No this is not true. And i think long holders will always win a big, big profit. As we can the history of bitcoin in the past always the price grow and after time the price drop and always the price reach a new ATH after long time, so the long holders will always win.

It does not just happen with bitcoin, but it also happens with altcoin too especially for the potential altcoin that can increase in anytime. Maybe we can remember what was happen with many coins like ethereum, dash, zec, monero, litecoin, zcl, and the other when those coin increase higher. You can imagine how much money the hodlers was made from that coins. And right now, I think it's the best time to buy those coins while the price is low and hold like what the hodler did so far.

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Quote from: Bezobraznike on January 05, 2019, 05:12:36 AM

You can criticize long-term holders, it`s your right. But each of us have some strategy, I have my own and I think in some time we will see who chose better

Bezobraznik, most long-term holders don't have any strategy. Well, they can of course claim now that their strategy is to hold long-term (which is what you would expect anyway), but for how many of them it is only an ad-hoc thing used to justify them actually being long-term bagholders? I'm strongly inclined to think that this is not their free choice (as is what using a strategy implies), and if given a chance, they would now be happy to get rid of their bags at a minimal loss. Something which they failed to do in time

That pretty much sums it up

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Quote from: Adriano2010 on January 11, 2019, 07:59:47 PM

No this is not true. And i think long holders will always win a big, big profit. As we can the history of bitcoin in the past always the price grow and after time the price drop and always the price reach a new ATH after long time, so the long holders will always win.

well, because of that, everyone has their own opinions. many people feel that holding in the long run is really very good in the future. however, some people think that not selling it at the right time, and holding it in the long run, it will only be in vain.

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No this is not true. And i think long holders will always win a big, big profit. As we can the history of bitcoin in the past always the price grow and after time the price drop and always the price reach a new ATH after long time, so the long holders will always win.

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