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To me, holding in the long term is not an idiocy, it was just the result of not having an option. Many long-term hodlers, as you will note, are just small investors. They have no choice but to hodl because they can't afford to lose the small amount of money in their pockets. Although some of them are trying to trade, they can't, sadly, because their money may not be a good starting capital

How did they not have a choice?

First, they had a choice not to invest at all, and then to disinvest when there still was a window for that (to minimize their losses). Unless we are talking about investments in major coins, and not at their ATH's at that, these people most likely have already lost their small investments

Further, if you can't trade because you don't have a good starting capital, then there is nothing to worry about losing what you have simply because your investment is just too small on its own. You can't have it both ways

Thus if you are correct, I don't 'sweat' my obvious idiocy all that much don't ya know. Probably I am clueless indeed, but somehow it does not seem to bug

You were just lucky to buy (mine) very cheap to still see handsome profits. This is not the case with most so-called long-term holders (read, there is nothing to brag about)

A $5,131.80 investment on a KNC Jupiter Miner is not luck, it is called investing or the big boys call it 'venture capitalism' most folks I know heard and knew about BTC but did

not act. I heard about it in 2009 but was otherwise occupied with Real Life Issues.  But did jump in about 2013. IMHO, everyone had the chance to get on the train in 2009 but

blew it off, thus, my come to papa moment happened earlier due to research again, most latecomers after I had the BAD LUCK not to revisit BTC and crypto till much later.

That is the way of Capitalism my friend, first at the table always eats the best.

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To me, holding in the long term is not an idiocy, it was just the result of not having an option. Many long-term hodlers, as you will note, are just small investors. They have no choice but to hodl because they can't afford to lose the small amount of money in their pockets. Although some of them are trying to trade, they can't, sadly, because their money may not be a good starting capital

How did they not have a choice?

First, they had a choice not to invest at all, and then to disinvest when there still was a window for that (to minimize their losses). Unless we are talking about investments in major coins, and not at their ATH's at that, these people most likely have already lost their small investments

Further, if you can't trade because you don't have a good starting capital, then there is nothing to worry about losing what you have simply because your investment is just too small on its own. You can't have it both ways

Thus if you are correct, I don't 'sweat' my obvious idiocy all that much don't ya know. Probably I am clueless indeed, but somehow it does not seem to bug

You were just lucky to buy (mine) very cheap to still see handsome profits. This is not the case with most so-called long-term holders (read, there is nothing to brag about)
copper member
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Clueless!
Funny how every time the market is in a recession and losers keep holding on to their losses they magically become "long term" holders.

God damn it, "long term" is such a stupid meme. Admit it, you wanted to get rich quick and once you realised you are too dumb to swing trade you suddenly became a "long term" loser.

Such idiocity.

You think Dan Balzerian held anything "long term"?

Long term is for losers.


I'm a long term HODL'er and I sometimes think so. But it is much easier to be a long term HODL'er and have your delusions if you have been one since 2013

and Bitcoin was on Oct 18th, 2013 when I started mining on my KNC Jupiter BTC miner about 1 BTC a day!

Thus if you are correct, I don't 'sweat' my obvious idiocy all that much don't ya know. Probably I am clueless indeed, but somehow it does not seem to bug

me much, even if you happen (the op) to be correct.

puzzling? Can't be because of the BTC price now right?

Naw...this can't be because I'm a delusional idiot according to the OP..therefore I can't be that vain nor smart...indeed...BT

BTC HODL'ing since 2013 must be a hobby..yeah that's it I HODL as a hobby...all these BTC because I think they are pretty like marbles...

(shiny!)

Brad
STT
legendary
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BTW dont you think the exact opposite could be true, for a market sector that has continually reaching greater highs for ten years even after pulling back substantially; selling was arguably wrong at any point.     How can anyone come to the conclusion to hold is a negative in something so hard to judge but with such great growth.  
   Years ago not super long after I registered on this forum, I sold some BTC to buy a monitor.   Fair enough, its been used and it wasn't frivolous or anything but if I had opted not to get the monitor and just continue on squinting that BTC would probably buy a truck now or a large deposit on one.   That would have been nice, its far better to find ways to employ BTC and still retain it as an asset rather then swap to FIAT.
  Thats the story of capitalism pretty much, the money circulates to serve a purpose despite saying its not fair to one side for various reasons.  Its actually beneficial to see a good exchange between all points on the network, I dont believe in only hodling or selling and never coming back just try to do a little of both and neither side is wrong imo.
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You were wrong on that time mate because you never knew what gonna happen after four months of this thread! Bitcoin started pumping incredibly, went to 19K USD, Altcoins had the bull fun, ICO industry had a golden time! What a time was that! But in the present condition, yes long term holders did a mistake! Because you have to know when to sell and when to buy, otherwise you won't make good things only by holding!
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It takes a lot of effort to be a holder. Most people can't do it because they are weak or scared or lack dedication and willpower. Sometimes they are just poor and need money or get struck by a problem in life or family and need money. Not many of us can afford to spend 9000 USD for a bitcoin and forget about it.

For the above reason holders win and they will keep winning. If you can do what most people cannot you profit.
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They're cleverer for me than us. It is very clear that real long-term investors are betting on coins in the marketcap which are in the top and that have a lot of potential to grow in the future. They will be at the top for a long time, because these wealthy investors know it's got a shot of being used internationally and giving them a return far more than they expected. Holding long term is probably the best thing to do.
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No, I don't think that way. Honestly, no matter how it looks now, I think it's the most lucrative and less risky long-term investment in Bitcoin. But it all depends on circumstances, when you purchased Bitcoin exactly and how long you kept it and when you sold it. So, to my mind, not every decision has its background and should be estimated on the basis of circumstances valid at the time.
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Funny how every time the market is in a recession and losers keep holding on to their losses they magically become "long term" holders.

Long term is for losers.

Not that they are losers but I see them as investors who are scared of taking risk.
Or on the other hand, they are not investors but hodlers because real investors always look out for a time to dump and buy in again cheaper. For the investors, it is about how to get a turn over.
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a person who makes a long-term investment is not a loser. because not all crypto investors have a lot of time to focus on crypto trading and making short-term investments. no problem making a long-term investment that is important coins that we hold can last long in the crypto market and can provide benefits.
yes it does not matter, because it's everyone's decision and yours too. but the problem is whether your decision is correct? because sometimes when making long-term investment choices most end up badly and not in accordance with initial expectations. well maybe there are those who have succeeded in gaining extraordinary benefits, but sometimes crypto conditions are difficult to guess, it could even be that the assets that you hold will become worthless.
However, I agree that someone who makes a long-term investment is not a loser BUT if making the right choice.
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Funny how every time the market is in a recession and losers keep holding on to their losses they magically become "long term" holders.

God damn it, "long term" is such a stupid meme. Admit it, you wanted to get rich quick and once you realised you are too dumb to swing trade you suddenly became a "long term" loser.

Such idiocity.

You think Dan Balzerian held anything "long term"?

Long term is for losers.

I dont think so.
You shouldn't forget that till end of 2017, the holders were the real winners of crypto market. that long down trend does not mean that holders will not make good profits again in the future.

Not only in 2017, the hodlers proved to be market winners. It also happened a few times before - actually with every earlier ATH. I am sure that the new ATH is still ahead of us, so those who bought even during the bull run in 2017 will definitely have a chance to make a profit from this investment.
But returns or profits won't really be that the same compared to those who hodl when the price was still low. The disadvantages of being a hodler is that you do miss out on selling on ATHs which you do already earn massive and just buyback when the market crashes but well its too late to regret because market is really unpredictable which you can't spot out on whats the possible peak price or bottom.

Therefore, the best solution for long-term investment is to plan in advance the profit we want to achieve and not be guided by greed, but common sense. All those who do not sell at the time of the bubble usually lose patience and sell when the price drops. To be a good hodler, you just need to have great patience and get rid of greed. Then no one will ever call you "idiot".
According to me, a holder will never regret it because he gets so many ways to earn money and it’s simply about luck. When you hold it takes patience and it will give you fruitful results. Crypto is all about blind trust where you don’t know what Will happen but you wait for your good time with the hope of winning someday, that's why holding for me is the safety of your future from bad days as we can cash out our bitcoin anytime.
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a person who makes a long-term investment is not a loser. because not all crypto investors have a lot of time to focus on crypto trading and making short-term investments. no problem making a long-term investment that is important coins that we hold can last long in the crypto market and can provide benefits.

If you are holding for long term, you don't expect that all your coins will be profitable, when the bullish time comes, some of the coins you are holding might increase to 20x, 50x, or even 100 x, and that's the timing you will have to wait and then you can sell, doing that will make you profitable in overall.

Therefore, long term holders are no idiot.
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a person who makes a long-term investment is not a loser. because not all crypto investors have a lot of time to focus on crypto trading and making short-term investments. no problem making a long-term investment that is important coins that we hold can last long in the crypto market and can provide benefits.
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To me, holding in the long term is not an idiocy, it was just the result of not having an option. Many long-term hodlers, as you will note, are just small investors. They have no choice but to hodl because they can't afford to lose the small amount of money in their pockets. Although some of them are trying to trade, they can't, sadly, because their money may not be a good starting capital.
legendary
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Bought some at $200 and still hodling. I don´t feel like an idiot  Huh

damn its true? and after reaching a peak of $19,000 you don't sell it at all? indeed we will never know with the highest price that will be achieved by bitcoin, maybe you have a target to sell if it touches $50,000 or $100,000 right?

Sure I wish I knew 19k was the peak. But that time I did not care much and thought it might go higher. 40-50k sounds like a good exit point to me. At least I will sell 50% and invest 80% of that 50% into something else that gives me a monthly cashflow instead of just pure luck and speculation if the price goes up or down.

Still I am in profit and don´t feel like an idiot.
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Some people even think that those who invested in bitcoin and hold it are all idiots but who cares? Because just see statistics, no one can say that holding or even hodling wasn't beneficial because numbers are just proof of that. So now imagine those who invested in bitcoin when price was some cents and sold it when price was 20K. It would be a long term hold because price was some cents in 2008-2009 and we saw huge price rise in 2017 so what? If someone hold for 9 years, it would be more than 50000x rise in price. Are those people silly and are you smart who did 5% profit from trading or even lose that?

This is a shaky and in fact rather flimsy argument

How so? Because it can be easily turned against you and your view. Okay, you say that someone bought a handful of bitcoins in Bitcoin's early years (before 2013), and he got pretty decent (actually quite handsome) returns for simply having the patience to hold long enough. Let's just say I agree with that

However, now imagine a situation when someone had bought as many bitcoins in late 2017 near or at the ATH. So how is long-term holding going to help him? Indeed, you could say that his pains will be rewarded in the future. But we don't know when exactly this future is going to come, and whether at all



As they say, everyone is wise after the event
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Bought some at $200 and still hodling. I don´t feel like an idiot  Huh

damn its true? and after reaching a peak of $19,000 you don't sell it at all? indeed we will never know with the highest price that will be achieved by bitcoin, maybe you have a target to sell if it touches $50,000 or $100,000 right?
legendary
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Bought some at $200 and still hodling. I don´t feel like an idiot  Huh
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 I have been a person who on/off has been holding bitcoin for the past 7 years this april, sure I sold some and bought some, earned some and spent some but none of that because what the price was, I have never been a guy who looked at what the price of bitcoin is when I do something with it, I look at it at bitcoin valuation and what I can get for it etc, I was here when I had over 2 bitcoins that I spent on silly stuff but I was here when I spent 0.2 on crucial life saving stuff as well and that 0.2 was higher in price than that 2 because I have been here that long. Never considered being long term an idiotic move, long term is actually people who think bitcoin will worth something more than just dollars.
Great experienced you have as you managed to see the ups and downs of this industry, for people who have that experienced this sentiments will never be applied. There's  a good reason behind why people choose the system that they've use from this investment process it can't be generalized since it will be explained by the actions that being held from any investors and traders around.
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Therefore, the best solution for long-term investment is to plan in advance the profit we want to achieve and not be guided by greed, but common sense. All those who do not sell at the time of the bubble usually lose patience and sell when the price drops. To be a good hodler, you just need to have great patience and get rid of greed. Then no one will ever call you "idiot".
Easy to say but really hard to be done yet this would really need for you to be somewhat like numb or emotionless.
Being a hodler would really need to pass all of these challenges for you not to able to sell if theres a bubble.
We cant really avoid that panic in mind unless if you decide not to look for the entire market condition for too long
and just forget that you have stored something on your wallet.
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