Apple Approves Bitcoin Wallets - page 10.

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Quote from: leopard2 on June 02, 2014, 04:06:04 PM

anyone who still uses Apple after all that Bolshevist crap, needs brain surgery Angry

a device should do what the owner wants it to do, independent from any regulation, at the end of the day it's the owner and not the lawmakers that paid for the device. apples arrogance is breathtaking.

this is like selling a car that is hard coded not to go faster than the current speed limit Cheesy

What you don't get is maybe some want a car that can not go above the speed limit.

Move on and quit trying to impose your will on others. OK?

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This should help increase the adaption of Bitcoin by the masses.

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Quote from: RUEHL on June 02, 2014, 03:48:42 PM

Good point!

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Quote from: Littleshop on June 02, 2014, 07:31:59 PM

Quote from: adamselene on June 02, 2014, 06:43:25 PM

Quote from: Littleshop on June 02, 2014, 06:00:08 PM

That is simply not backed up by reality. THOUSANDS of malware apps are in the genuine Android market while almost none are in the genuine Apple app store. This is an issue for regular users not just people who rooted their phone.

http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/overview-android-malware-analysis/

Here's a rebuttal to a more recent but similar malware analysis:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/03/24/report-97-of-mobile-malware-is-on-android-this-is-the-easy-way-you-stay-safe/

tl;dr - Most of the malware figures are derived from studies that include external app marketplaces in their figures. The total percentage of malware on the Play Store is ridiculously small and they're removed as soon as they're discovered.

They're mostly from shit apps with a ton of permissions, descriptions in broken English, and zero reviews. It's really easy to avoid malware on Android. Also, Android apps are sandboxed, so you can't extract data from another app (like your private keys).

That is not correct. There are enough flaws in Android and unpatched due to updates not being available for most users so you cannot say private keys are safe. They can also throw in a keylogger pretty easily.

Even the Google Play store has malware. 200+ examples so far with huge numbers of downloads. Contrast that to Apple, so far 1 single piece of malware that is known and of course is no longer available.

For Bitcoin, the iPhone seems like one of the safer places to have a wallet.

That is my stance. I don't get into the fan boy stuff. When my bit coin is on the line I want as secure a platform as possible.

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Quote from: adamselene on June 02, 2014, 06:43:25 PM

Quote from: Littleshop on June 02, 2014, 06:00:08 PM

That is simply not backed up by reality. THOUSANDS of malware apps are in the genuine Android market while almost none are in the genuine Apple app store. This is an issue for regular users not just people who rooted their phone.

http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/overview-android-malware-analysis/

Here's a rebuttal to a more recent but similar malware analysis:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/03/24/report-97-of-mobile-malware-is-on-android-this-is-the-easy-way-you-stay-safe/

tl;dr - Most of the malware figures are derived from studies that include external app marketplaces in their figures. The total percentage of malware on the Play Store is ridiculously small and they're removed as soon as they're discovered.

They're mostly from shit apps with a ton of permissions, descriptions in broken English, and zero reviews. It's really easy to avoid malware on Android. Also, Android apps are sandboxed, so you can't extract data from another app (like your private keys).

That is not correct. There are enough flaws in Android and unpatched due to updates not being available for most users so you cannot say private keys are safe. They can also throw in a keylogger pretty easily.

Even the Google Play store has malware. 200+ examples so far with huge numbers of downloads. Contrast that to Apple, so far 1 single piece of malware that is known and of course is no longer available.

For Bitcoin, the iPhone seems like one of the safer places to have a wallet.

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We will see if Blockchain.info and Coinbase make its way back into the appstore....

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Apple has probably realized that if they kept censoring Bitcoin it would:
1) Expose the censorship polices of the walled garden to a wider group of people
2) Would hurt sales in the long term if Bitcoin were to become mainstream as Bitcoin would become a prime example of what is so wrong with Apple's business model.

The malware issue ignores that fact that what is needed is one or more trusted app stores where software is screened properly for malware. There is no need to restrict a user to a particular store, stores or source of software. The GNU/Linux communities had this figured out long before there was an "app store" from Apple, Google, Microsoft etc. They had and still have trusted repositories for software. The latter is one of the main reasons why there hardly any malware for GNU/Linux.

There is no need for a locked down censored device to protect users from malware as Apple and more recently Microsoft have argued. The real reasons for the locked down devices are 1) DRM, 2) Customer lockin 3) Anti competitive business models 4) Price fixing etc.

By the way IOS is not immune to malware and malware has found its way into the Apple app store.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adriankingsleyhughes/2012/07/06/first-ios-malware-hits-app-store/

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Quote from: Its About Sharing on June 02, 2014, 05:24:42 PM

Quote from: TheButterZone on June 02, 2014, 05:11:12 PM

The quoted paragraph did not say bitcoin specifically, it said "approved virtual currencies".

Bitcoin will not be approved if Apple has its own VC patent.

It didn't say "Apple approved" if you want to get technical about it.
Come on, there were US Senate Hearings, the IRS has commented as well as other agencies, companies all over the world are accepting it, Wall Street is in on it, etc. and you think this is not in line with their definition?

1) That which is not specifically banned is legal, usually.

2) "provided that they do so in compliance with all state and federal laws for the territories in which the app functions" is distinct from "approved virtual currencies" - it's not surplus verbiage, or redundant. Laws do not "approve" of things. When you read things written by lawyers, you must think like one.

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Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 02, 2014, 06:50:43 PM

When it comes to my bit coin I don't want to easily avoid malware, I want to avoid it completely or at least as much as humanly possible.

Fair enough.

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Quote from: adamselene on June 02, 2014, 06:43:25 PM

Quote from: Littleshop on June 02, 2014, 06:00:08 PM

That is simply not backed up by reality. THOUSANDS of malware apps are in the genuine Android market while almost none are in the genuine Apple app store. This is an issue for regular users not just people who rooted their phone.

http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/overview-android-malware-analysis/

Here's a rebuttal to a more recent but similar malware analysis:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/03/24/report-97-of-mobile-malware-is-on-android-this-is-the-easy-way-you-stay-safe/

tl;dr - Most of the malware figures are derived from studies that include external app marketplaces in their figures. The total percentage of malware on the Play Store is ridiculously small and they're removed as soon as they're discovered.

They're mostly from shit apps with a ton of permissions, descriptions in broken English, and zero reviews. It's really easy to avoid malware on Android. Also, Android apps are sandboxed, so you can't extract data from another app (like your private keys).

Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 02, 2014, 06:18:04 PM

That simply isn't true. The IOS apps are pre-screened for malware before being allowed in the store.

There are a lot of examples of malware that people got from the android app stores.

I am much more comfortable with a bit coin sitting in a closed ecosystem.

Android apps are scanned for malware as well. People can and do obscure code enough to get it through both stores, but not long enough to do any real damage.
Apple also has a higher barrier to entry for app approval (including paying for a yearly developer license vs a one time fee).

When it comes to my bit coin I don't want to easily avoid malware, I want to avoid it completely or at least as much as humanly possible.

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Quote from: Littleshop on June 02, 2014, 06:00:08 PM

That is simply not backed up by reality. THOUSANDS of malware apps are in the genuine Android market while almost none are in the genuine Apple app store. This is an issue for regular users not just people who rooted their phone.

http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/overview-android-malware-analysis/

Here's a rebuttal to a more recent but similar malware analysis:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2014/03/24/report-97-of-mobile-malware-is-on-android-this-is-the-easy-way-you-stay-safe/

tl;dr - Most of the malware figures are derived from studies that include external app marketplaces in their figures. The total percentage of malware on the Play Store is ridiculously small and they're removed as soon as they're discovered.

They're mostly from shit apps with a ton of permissions, descriptions in broken English, and zero reviews. It's really easy to avoid malware on Android. Also, Android apps are sandboxed, so you can't extract data from another app (like your private keys).

Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 02, 2014, 06:18:04 PM

That simply isn't true. The IOS apps are pre-screened for malware before being allowed in the store.

There are a lot of examples of malware that people got from the android app stores.

I am much more comfortable with a bit coin sitting in a closed ecosystem.

Android apps are scanned for malware as well. People can and do obscure code enough to get it through both stores, but not long enough to do any real damage.
Apple also has a higher barrier to entry for app approval (including paying for a yearly developer license vs a one time fee).

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Great news...soon Apple would begin accepting bitcoin payments.

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Quote from: Maidak on June 02, 2014, 06:24:15 PM

I still have the blockchain app on my old iphone 4 do they not work anymore?

Fire it up and try it. I think you can still use legacy apps either way. They are just not considered supported.

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I still have the blockchain app on my old iphone 4 do they not work anymore?

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Quote from: adamselene on June 02, 2014, 05:17:45 PM

Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 02, 2014, 05:10:31 PM

I am just glad i can finally have a wallet on my iPhone. A malware free system is the only option for having a mobile wallet.

Android has no "malware problem". You really only have a malware problem if you make a habit out of sideloading apps from untrusted sources (e.g. not from the Play Store) and/or are rooted, both of which are for more advanced users.

And iOS has malware too.

That simply isn't true. The IOS apps are pre-screened for malware before being allowed in the store.

There are a lot of examples of malware that people got from the android app stores.

I am much more comfortable with a bit coin sitting in a closed ecosystem.

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A Great Time to Start Something!

Great news.
(Must) do so in compliance with all state and federal laws for the territories in which the app functions...
^^^This could cause issues since it is often difficult to stay "compliance with ALL state and federal laws".
I know it's just a standard legal disclaimer, but they are still able to mess with an app any time they want to.
Overall, it's good to see Apple allowing most BTC apps.

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Quote from: adamselene on June 02, 2014, 05:17:45 PM

Quote from: Ron~Popeil on June 02, 2014, 05:10:31 PM

I am just glad i can finally have a wallet on my iPhone. A malware free system is the only option for having a mobile wallet.

Android has no "malware problem". You really only have a malware problem if you make a habit out of sideloading apps from untrusted sources (e.g. not from the Play Store) and/or are rooted, both of which are for more advanced users.

And iOS has malware too.

That is simply not backed up by reality. THOUSANDS of malware apps are in the genuine Android market while almost none are in the genuine Apple app store. This is an issue for regular users not just people who rooted their phone.

http://resources.infosecinstitute.com/overview-android-malware-analysis/

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Quote from: leopard2 on June 02, 2014, 04:06:04 PM

anyone who still uses Apple after all that Bolshevist crap, needs brain surgery Angry

Anyone who attacks a group of people for their choice of technology provider, without knowing the uses to which that group of people are putting that technology, is an over-opinionated, unthinking, irrational ignoramus.

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Quote from: bananaControl on June 02, 2014, 05:21:15 PM

I will have to respectfully disagree with you and would love a deeper discussion, but this is hardly the place.

In that case, let's agree to disagree

Quote from: Guido on June 02, 2014, 05:32:29 PM

Quote from: Mageant on June 02, 2014, 05:29:42 PM

Can anybody with an Iphone actually confirm that any previously banned Bitcoin apps are now working?

they'll have to be resubmitted
not sure how long that takes to get approved

Approval takes about a week or so from what I remember. If you've already submitted before, might take less.

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Quote from: Mageant on June 02, 2014, 05:29:42 PM

Can anybody with an Iphone actually confirm that any previously banned Bitcoin apps are now working?

they'll have to be resubmitted
not sure how long that takes to get approved

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