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legendary
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June 03, 2014, 04:03:00 PM
Where  Word documents default encrypted or protected in any way?  Nope.  Could you export to common formats?  Yes.

It wasn't an open format and it wasn't documented correctly, making it impossible to make a text-program that could open and save word documents 100% correctly. There was always something that was broken... A bit of the same tactic they used in their implementation of CSS and HTML in IE. To the end user MS products always just seemed to work a little better than anything else, though of course we know that the real reason was of a different nature than just better quality.

And yes, you could save in other formats, but again, Word just magically seemed to be better at reading the other formats as well.

There are so many things wrong with what you said there. 

Then please enlighten me.

You are comparing Microsoft Word to a walled garden.

Nothing Microsoft did with Word back then was unusual.  Word is not going to use an 'open' format back then because they were not ready.  Everyone used their own format back then.

If other programs could not open Word that was their fault not Microsoft.  Fonts and formatting were not as standard as they are today and WordPerfect and others had considerable market share.
full member
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June 03, 2014, 03:54:22 PM
So was there any explanation from apple as to why they even removed them in the first place?
legendary
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June 03, 2014, 03:53:46 PM
It is really simple. If you like Apple's products you buy them. If you don't like them you don't buy them.

Both sides are free to comment and share their opinion though.

I have no problem with opinions. Some people tend to resort to insults and this weird sense of superiority when others make different decisions than them. That is where I have an issue.

Well we cant do anything about them but hopefully they will learn how to conduct themselves other time.
While I do think this is a problem, I think the major one is how off-topic the discussion has gone. Sure, some may relate these discussions back to bitcoin, but a few of the posts actually have absolutely nothing to do and are just a fight between Android and iOS.
sr. member
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June 03, 2014, 03:53:11 PM
I dont like Apple to much but that is great news for bitcoin.
Everyone of my friends almost has a Iphone so having a wallet on that is very important.
Its only gonna get more accepted now, when every phone has apps for bitcoin payments.

Yes. This is more about market share for bit coin than an apple vs android thing.
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June 03, 2014, 03:52:03 PM
It is really simple. If you like Apple's products you buy them. If you don't like them you don't buy them.

Both sides are free to comment and share their opinion though.

I have no problem with opinions. Some people tend to resort to insults and this weird sense of superiority when others make different decisions than them. That is where I have an issue.

Well we cant do anything about them but hopefully they will learn how to conduct themselves other time.
sr. member
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June 03, 2014, 03:49:41 PM
I dont like Apple to much but that is great news for bitcoin.
Everyone of my friends almost has a Iphone so having a wallet on that is very important.
Its only gonna get more accepted now, when every phone has apps for bitcoin payments.
sr. member
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June 03, 2014, 03:44:20 PM
It is really simple. If you like Apple's products you buy them. If you don't like them you don't buy them.

Both sides are free to comment and share their opinion though.

I have no problem with opinions. Some people tend to resort to insults and this weird sense of superiority when others make different decisions than them. That is where I have an issue.
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June 03, 2014, 03:40:57 PM
It is really simple. If you like Apple's products you buy them. If you don't like them you don't buy them.

Both sides are free to comment and share their opinion though.
sr. member
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June 03, 2014, 03:36:50 PM
It is really simple. If you like Apple's products you buy them. If you don't like them you don't buy them. Personally I like things that just work. I even like the "walled garden." It makes me feel more secure and it is nearly impossible to get malware from apps.


More to the point, to draw some conclusion about someone's character or level of intelligence because of their choice in technology is a bit weird. I think those that do that should look inward when they want to question the character and intelligence of people simply because they make a different choice. 
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Decentralize All The Things!
June 03, 2014, 02:20:23 PM
It is a very interesting idea. Basically, an IMiner! Man, this is a bit scary actually, but still centralized. I mean they could offer or tie it to their stock even.
An then others would try to copy their miners (e.g. China) and then mine the coins. Jailbreaking your IMiner. Exciting!

Just throwing around ideas you can see Crypo's are going to really disrupt things.

IAS

Indeed and there will be many big battles Smiley
legendary
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Antifragile
June 03, 2014, 02:17:43 PM
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Not if the closed propertarian version wins. One company controlling the most widely used crypto currency would be a nightmare of proportions for everyone who cares about freedom and equal rights and opportunities for everyone. Sadly, most people don't give a shit, so maybe we deserve just that.
It needs a lot of support from the people, bitcoin has that support for various reasons.

Ordinary people know and trust (god knows why!) Apple as a company and brand, to them Bitcoin is noting more than a geeky pyramid scheme, so who would they choose you think?

A propriatary version may just be a pump and dump scheme in the end, as we see with many alt coins.

Apple would not profit from that, so no.

Apple will make a coin where mining hardware is build into all of their products (Or maybe just the iBeacon thingy or POS units) and then they will collect the mining fees themselves. They learned how to make money by being the middleman from iTunes and the sales of music. They will basically do the same thing here.

My ex was an apple fan-girl(?) and even though I tried with all the logic in the world to explain to her why monopoly on infrastructure is a bad thing, she wouldn't listen. Ordinary people just don't give a flying fuck about openness and the importance of real free competition.

This is actually an interesting thought, and while I have never thought of it until now, it seems very feasible that Apple would do something like this.   Wouldn't you, if it were your company?

I thought the same thing (interesting thought) at first, but Apple will need permission before using your electricity, CPU/Chip, internet, etc. It might not be as easy as it seems. Now, if they can pay out coins for using your rig or offer other compensation, then they might have something. But now we are back to centralized "money". And be sure, there will be billions of ICoins (what a sick though, almost makes me want to Ipuke in the Itoilet.)

IAS

This is why I think that they might only be putting the mining hardware into the iBeacon hardware thingy or POS units.

It is a very interesting idea. Basically, an IMiner! Man, this is a bit scary actually, but still centralized. I mean they could offer or tie it to their stock even.
An then others would try to copy their miners (e.g. China) and then mine the coins. Jailbreaking your IMiner. Exciting!

Just throwing around ideas you can see Crypo's are going to really disrupt things.

IAS
sr. member
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Decentralize All The Things!
June 03, 2014, 02:15:21 PM
Godwin's Law has been violated.

You mean, it was proven to be correct.
legendary
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RIP Mommy
June 03, 2014, 02:12:48 PM
Godwin's Law has been violated.
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Decentralize All The Things!
June 03, 2014, 02:06:10 PM


That was a very constructive and convincing argument. Thank you for sharing.

You are very welcome!

I see plenty of Apple haters in here not supporting their position, while I also see Apple users trying to make a case that Apple products work fine for their needs.

A big difference between the two is Apple users don't seem to care if others use non-apple products or not.


To do that is very short sighted and is to completely miss the whole picture. A poor analogy could be: "I wouldn't have a problem with a new holocaust, because I'm not a Jew!". Many users of Word in the late 90's were probably also very happy users, because it worked just fine for them. Please go back and read the arguments already put on the table.
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June 03, 2014, 01:51:20 PM
#99


That was a very constructive and convincing argument. Thank you for sharing.

You are very welcome!

I see plenty of Apple haters in here not supporting their position, while I also see Apple users trying to make a case that Apple products work fine for their needs.

A big difference between the two is Apple users don't seem to care if others use non-apple products or not.

sr. member
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June 03, 2014, 01:29:25 PM
#98

Apple is Microsoft from the 90's all over again.

Not even close.

Microsoft had 95% of the desktop market in the 1990s. There were no choices back then.

There are many, many choices now. Apple can't be a monopoly if Android has 70% of the market! I don't know what world you are living in.

Android is more of a monopoly, and more like Microsoft was in the 90s.

I should have been more clear. I was referring to the way that MS tried to kill competition in their markets in an effort to gain and keep their monopolies.
sr. member
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Decentralize All The Things!
June 03, 2014, 01:24:09 PM
#97
Where  Word documents default encrypted or protected in any way?  Nope.  Could you export to common formats?  Yes.

It wasn't an open format and it wasn't documented correctly, making it impossible to make a text-program that could open and save word documents 100% correctly. There was always something that was broken... A bit of the same tactic they used in their implementation of CSS and HTML in IE. To the end user MS products always just seemed to work a little better than anything else, though of course we know that the real reason was of a different nature than just better quality.

And yes, you could save in other formats, but again, Word just magically seemed to be better at reading the other formats as well.

There are so many things wrong with what you said there. 

Then please enlighten me.
sr. member
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Decentralize All The Things!
June 03, 2014, 01:23:20 PM
#96
What would they be jealous of? I dont hate them exactly but I don't like them because of many of their business practices.

The people who call Apple-skeptics for "haters" might think that the negative vibes many people have towards Apple is a result of jealousy* of a "successful" company. This notion is only amplified when Apple-skeptics lash out against Apple and Apple users without giving any good valid reasons to why they do so.

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*jealousy

My wording might have been a bit off, what I'm really referring to is the Law of Jante made famous by a Norwegian writer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Jante
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June 03, 2014, 01:22:20 PM
#95
I think apple will need bitcoin more than bitcoin needs them eventually. Maybe they realised this.
legendary
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June 03, 2014, 01:21:55 PM
#94
Where  Word documents default encrypted or protected in any way?  Nope.  Could you export to common formats?  Yes.

It wasn't an open format and it wasn't documented correctly, making it impossible to make a text-program that could open and save word documents 100% correctly. There was always something that was broken... A bit of the same tactic they used in their implementation of CSS and HTML in IE. To the end user MS products always just seemed to work a little better than anything else, though of course we know that the real reason was of a different nature than just better quality.

And yes, you could save in other formats, but again, Word just magically seemed to be better at reading the other formats as well.

There are so many things wrong with what you said there. 
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