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hero member
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July 16, 2012, 10:26:46 AM
#65
Sorry I wasn't clear enough, I think its a scam for males not females.

HPV infections are also implicated in penile and testicular cancers, though at a lower rate than cervical cancer.

Also, even if they're unaffected by it, men can easily transmit HPV to women, so having everyone vaccinated helps via herd immunity.
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July 15, 2012, 08:45:56 PM
#64
It's your choice.. Most don't IMO.... Canada Smiley
legendary
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July 15, 2012, 12:15:44 PM
#63
Is it normal in your respective countries to vaccinate once a year for the flu?

Supossing you are under 70 years old.
Here in Italy it's suggested that people that have problems/old people have it, for everyone else it's not suggested, their choice.
hero member
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July 15, 2012, 09:59:01 AM
#62
It is offered to everyone at any age for free..... from all doctors’ offices and walk in style clinic's....



I had one very bad experience with the flu shot.. I will never get it again; my wife and son both get the shot.....



My son has had all his vaccinations up to date. In Canada or at least Ontario children will not be admitted to school unless they have all their vaccination records.
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July 15, 2012, 06:22:29 AM
#61
Is it normal in your respective countries to vaccinate once a year for the flu?

Supossing you are under 70 years old.
hero member
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July 15, 2012, 02:16:50 AM
#60
Sorry I wasn't clear enough, I think its a scam for males not females.

Since last time i checked I have very little risk of Cervical Cancer.

Cervical Cancer affects 12K a year.

High-risk HPVs cause virtually all cervical cancers. They also cause most anal cancers and some vaginal, vulvar, penile, and oropharyngeal cancers.

~4k Women a year die from cervical cancer.
 0.42 percent of people per 100K die of cervical cancer
 
seems like very little risk for the cost of the drug like 1100 or 1200?
legendary
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July 15, 2012, 12:56:25 AM
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Worldwide, cervical cancer is second most common and the fifth deadliest cancer in women. It affects about 16 per 100,000 women per year and kills about 9 per 100,000 per year. Approximately 80% of cervical cancers occur in developing countries. Worldwide, in 2008, it was estimated that there were 473,000 cases of cervical cancer, and 253,500 deaths per year.[59]

It should be abundantly clear that it's empathetically not a scam.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cervical_cancer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV


Just to be clear, which is it that you're certain is not a scam: that the vaccine is legitimate and works, that the push for mandatory immunization of schoolchildren with it is legitimate, or both?
legendary
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July 14, 2012, 06:04:50 PM
#58

So its a virus that almost anyone can get and in most cases goes away with medical intervention?

There are very many strains of HPV, only some of which are linked with cancer.

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Of the 150-200 types of HPV known,  15 are classified as high-risk types (16, 18, 31, 33, 35, 39, 45, 51, 52, 56, 58, 59, 68, 73, and 82), 3 as probable high-risk (26, 53, and 66), and 12 as low-risk (6, 11, 40, 42, 43, 44, 54, 61, 70, 72, 81, and CP6108). Types 16 and 18 are generally acknowledged to cause about 70% of cervical cancer cases. Together with type 31, they are the prime risk factors for cervical cancer.

The HPV vaccine immunizes against some of these strains. The lifetime risk of HPV is very high, the lifetime risk of getting cancer from HPV is very low, but real. If you die from cervical cancer, chances are it started with a preventable HPV infection. Perfect worldwide immunization would save some hundreds of thousand lives per year.

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Human papillomavirus (HPV) infection appears to be a necessary factor in the development of almost all cases (90+%) of cervical cancer. HPV vaccines are effective against the two strains of this large family of viruses that currently cause approximately 70% of cases of cervical cancer have been licensed in the U.S, Canada, Australia, and the EU.

The vaccine is not perfect. Medicine does not run on magic.

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Worldwide, cervical cancer is second most common and the fifth deadliest cancer in women. It affects about 16 per 100,000 women per year and kills about 9 per 100,000 per year. Approximately 80% of cervical cancers occur in developing countries. Worldwide, in 2008, it was estimated that there were 473,000 cases of cervical cancer, and 253,500 deaths per year.[59]

It should be abundantly clear that it's empathetically not a scam.

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cervical_cancer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV_vaccine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HPV
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July 14, 2012, 04:33:16 PM
#57
I'm Currently up to date on my vaccinations

And I only Put in me what is required by Law Or my Employer as a condition of my employment.
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July 14, 2012, 04:29:27 PM
#56
I think the HPV one might be a scam, I think the stats are 50% of people will have HPV in there lives.
If you ever have had unprotected sex you most likely have HPV.

"Up to 20 million Americans are currently infected with sexually transmitted HPV, and it is estimated that 75 percent of reproductive age women and men have been infected with genital HPV at some point in their lives"
From PP

"Although there is currently no "cure" for genital HPV infection, most cases are transient and clear themselves without medical intervention" -CDC

So its a virus that almost anyone can get and in most cases goes away with medical intervention?

The chances of me not having HPV in my life is .0000000000001% lol
legendary
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July 14, 2012, 01:40:36 PM
#55
If were going to bring personal info into it, back in the day when i was a youngen, i would get my yearly flu shot, and still get the flu. The year i decided to tell the doctor to screw off, i have yet to have a flu since then. (13 years and counting)

This.

For me, the rest of the vaccine debate isn't that important. Get it and protect yourself, don't and take the risks, *yawn.*

But the annual flu shot has got to be the biggest medical scam the U.S. has seen in recent decades.
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July 14, 2012, 01:11:24 PM
#54
I've had over 35 injections of various kinds because I travel a lot. I had to have them renewed too. Rabies was the worst - 3 shots of bright red liquid straight into the arm!

At one point I wanted to get as many extra as I could as I thought it was great.

How's about quit fighting over the issue and fix the problem with the preservation by altering the delivery or offering a premium option for those who wish to pay where we can take the shot soon after it is manufactured?

I can't track down specific problems to injections but I have experienced problems with using silver on the skin - it created a slight negative charge... which like Mercury fillings only presents a problem if it's persistent and in a place sensitive to it but you certainly won't read about this or get any help from a doctor; it took me years to figure it out!

Likewise, some vaccines use heavy metals for preservative some I'm confident that those metals, where ever they end up will be causing a problem inside me somewhere. I don't think the amounts are enough to worry about but then... I'd like to know how much is in a shot so I can compare to my real life experience elsewhere. Still, I can be proud I served society, ready to lay down my health for the greater good, "Viva!"
sr. member
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July 14, 2012, 01:03:13 PM
#53
I get the recommended stuff, minus the flu shot because it's never stopped me getting a flu when I did get it.
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July 14, 2012, 12:20:05 PM
#52
What I understand from your posts is that though you seem rational in most respects, in this one regard you seem pretty biased. You only regard HPV as an inducer of cervical cancer, and feel that reducing causes of this horrible disease is unnecessary. From this I can guess that either 1. women are not important to you or 2. You're christian and think that anyone engaging in extra marital sex is getting their just desserts.

If you're not either of these, then you've been misinformed by sensationalist media and  I apologise in advance.

FWIW cervical cancer is a horrible way to die and I'm in support of a vaccine that prevents it. I find it disgusting that, from what you say, people in your country actually have to pay for the vaccine, but that shouldn't colour your attitude toward the vaccine - direct your anger toward a government that can't provide an effective health care system for their citizens.

If HPV causes cancer, (and the stats I've seen only link it to cervical cancer - if you have others, I'd love to see them) then I agree that we should do something to prevent it. But that something need not be a vaccine. STDs are entirely preventable - not just through abstinence, though that's a 100% effective way - condoms work fine, too. I'm not even - as I said - against people getting vaccinated willingly, especially those in "high risk" careers, such as porn actresses and other sex workers. It's the forcing people to get vaccinated for an STD that boggles my mind.

If you've read my other posts, especially those over in the politics forum, then you know that I am absolutely against forcing anyone to do anything, even if it's "for their own good." I don't hate women, and I'm not some moralist that thinks God is striking down the sinful. I just think that making an STD vaccine mandatory to enter schooling is fucking ridiculous. That was the reason for the (WTF?) above... I mean, do they think the kids will be fucking in the halls?

Thankfully, no, the people do not directly pay the hundreds of dollars that the pharmaceutical company makes off each shot. Vaccines are covered by insurance, so few, if any, actually have to pay out of pocket for them. But no matter where, exactly, the money is coming from, it just sickens me to see a company directly profiting from a government regulation. Once Gardasil is out of patent, I'm betting that this hype will die down, and only people actually at increased risk of getting HPV will get the shot.
newbie
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July 14, 2012, 12:11:21 PM
#51
I prefer to get a "wild" sample of the sickness thats been "half defeated" inside the host.
Such a a seasonal cold, I'll call one of my buddies over to get me sick.
Helps to bolster the auto immune system.
Also i hate needles
Also i dont like pharmecudicals
legendary
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July 14, 2012, 11:19:26 AM
#50
I dont' work near them, actually i'm almost never near a baby
donator
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July 14, 2012, 10:09:12 AM
#49
You surviving the flu: good for you! Not so good for those to whom you pass it. Neonates (brand spanking new babies) might not be able to survive the flu, and they can't be vaccinated. They rely on you not to have the flu and pass it on.
legendary
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July 14, 2012, 10:00:39 AM
#48
Of course yes i'm vaccinated, welcome in 2012, where thanks to vaccins people no more die to fail disease

I don't do the flu shot cause i don't need it, i can happily survive a flu without problems but i have all the important vaccines.
hero member
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July 14, 2012, 09:53:29 AM
#47
My son has had all his vaccinations up to date... But ME ..... I refuse to get the flu shot........ <--- I did once years ago... I was out of work for 10 days afterwards I was so sick..... Never again.. Have yet to have a sick day Tongue
vip
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July 14, 2012, 09:52:00 AM
#46
Everyone is vaccinated so I don't need them since my environment is already disease free.  Grin
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