Topic: Are you vaccinated? - page 2. (Read 3552 times)

Who is them?

With vaccionation it is as simple as math can be. If the risk is higher whilst you are not vaccinated, than do something about it. If not why worry?
The statistics are there, they are needed for approval, just read them.

The flu vaccination campaigns of the past years brought the topic back.
If you look a little bit deeper into what happend, you´d be amazed plus a little bit more careful with vaccinations.
I´ll just drop one small potion of disenchantment on flu vaccination.
Statistics around here say: The docs don´t take it!

Gates Foundation - Progress towards Immunization:


Every time a homeopath tells someone not to vaccinate their children, God kills a kitten baby.

I'll just leave this here: UNICEF - How many lives do vaccinations save each year? (1996)

Answer: On the order of 10 million lives saved per year, mostly young children.

Not seeing that sort of marketing in my country. They're vary careful about what they say it prevents.
Now you're pulling stats out of your bum. It's proven effective against all types of cancer caused by the human papillomavirus, not just cervical cancer, btw. So boys don't get HPV induced cancer? Oh. Huh. Well then. Even if males couldn't get HPV induced cancer, which they can, the importance of herd immunity is such that the greatest possible coverage is necessary.

What I understand from your posts is that though you seem rational in most respects, in this one regard you seem pretty biased. You only regard HPV as an inducer of cervical cancer, and feel that reducing causes of this horrible disease is unnecessary. From this I can guess that either 1. women are not important to you or 2. You're christian and think that anyone engaging in extra marital sex is getting their just desserts.

If you're not either of these, then you've been misinformed by sensationalist media and  I apologise in advance.

FWIW cervical cancer is a horrible way to die and I'm in support of a vaccine that prevents it. I find it disgusting that, from what you say, people in your country actually have to pay for the vaccine, but that shouldn't colour your attitude toward the vaccine - direct your anger toward a government that can't provide an effective health care system for their citizens.

Honestly, it's not the vaccine itself I have an issue with. It's the business practices.

Gardasil is probably the best example of this. It's a vaccine for HPV, right? OK, that's great. What is HPV, anyway? It's an STD. But what do they market it as? A vaccine not for an STD, but for cervical cancer! And HPV doesn't cause every case of cervical cancer. All they've proven is that it's been present in 70% of cases where cervical cancer developed.

What was that you said? correlation != causation, I think it was.

And now, now... they want to give it to boys, too! I'm not against vaccines in general. They're a great idea. Overall, I think the rewards outweigh the risks. But a vaccine for a virus which might cause cancer, and is easily preventable by other means? I gotta call bullshit on this one. Other blatant money grabs include proposed vaccines for smoking, of all things! I mean, come on.

Now, let's compare Gardasil to the flu shot. There are almost always shortages of flu shots, so they limit it to "high risk groups", such as hospital workers, and the elderly. No shortage of Gardasil, though. Nope, never any shortages there. They want to have it mandatory, even! (WTF?) I smell greed, greed blown beyond all rational proportions.

From the article:

This does not constitute evidence that there is a problem with Gardasil. It's a correlation at best and anecdotal as well.

A doctor I met once told me of another doctor who was about to administer a vaccine to a child. Just before it was administered, the child had their first ever seizure, and thereafter was diagnosed with epilepsy. If the vaccine had been given a few moment later and the seizure occurred after the vaccine was administered, a parent could be forgiven for thinking that one caused the other. But correlation != causation.

Another point to remember is that you can't believe everything you hear in the news. Reporters have to have a point to push or the story won't sell. If there's a significant problem with Gardasil, there'll be scientists out there to prove there's a problem, to get the kudos from publishing an important paper.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-500803_162-4240888-500803.html

Interestingly, The symptoms described in the article above are not listed here:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

What's unsafe about the Gardasil? And it wasn't exactly "rushed into production" unless if you consider 30 years of development before it was first released "rushed".

The problem with the vaccine thing is that people don't differentiate between the different vaccines. They're just one lump of either "all good", or "all bad".

That's not the truth at all. There are some vaccines which have been around for decades. They're proven. Safe. Polio, MMR, Tetanus.

There are other vaccines which are new, rushed into production, and pushed to as many people as possible. Untested. Unproven. Vaccines such as the one for HPV.

These companies make sometimes hundreds of dollars per shot for these vaccines. They want to make their cash before the patent on the drug runs out.

There's your problem, right there.

I guess tech geeks aren't so smart when it comes to medical matters. Or maybe people are less well educated in the US. Either way the so called vaccine debate has been over for a decade, and I have no idea why it's being rehashed here.

I'd rather live somewhere children won't get measles or mumps or polio and end up blind or deaf or paralysed. Herd immunity is important, so if you don't immunise your kids I'd rather you live elsewhere.

@TwinTurbo: a bunch of links to google search results and to the "Natural News" (not exactly peer reviewed literature) is not evidence. Come up with some better evidence, and then try to draw some conclusions other than "Wow a pharmaceutical company got fined for being bad, that means all vaccines are bad.

I want to make my argument really clear so you can all use this if you need to too:


I'm not against vaccines but you have to recognize that they are contained in a cocktail of chemicals designed to kill stuff and they will kill you only a little less because you are bigger.

Got to just say one thing:

Vaccacines are a good thing if you put some common sense on them:

You dont need a Flu vaccacination every year if you are not prone to flu anyway. Never had a flu vaccacination and never had a flu even though i deal a lot with random people.
You dont need a hepatitis vac if you sue to stay at home 99% of the time.. but if you are at places that you cant be sure of water qwuality such a vac is indeed useful...
But you HAVE to keep your children vaccacinated - at least for those common "child" illnesses... Take Polio as an example.. its a painless vaccacination because children only have to swallow a cube of sugar yet people choose their children not to get vaccacined.. and here comes the argument i read above "If you dont vac your child, mine will get infected." Thats NOT bullshit.
In my extended family we had the case that a 2yr old was infected with Polio because some shithead had his son not vaccacined. That infected youth was 11yrs old - and vaccacination happens here at 6yrs to 8yrs.. he didnt "believe" in that stuff. Nevertheless his son died, that 2yr old is disabled for the rest of her life and who knows who else got infected.

So i just got to say: Vaccacines have to be applied with common sense, but since children dont have common sense they HAVE to be vaccacined till they can decide theirselfes and "Oh no.. i dont want no injection" doesnt count as "decision".

A very legitimate point. I don't personally believe in forcing anyone to do anything. It is your life to live however you see fit, so long as you are not forcing, harming, or deceiving others in the process.

Personally, if you want to remove yourself from risk, don't do it by forcing everyone else to get vaccinated. Pack your bags and head for rural Montana. Are you afraid of car accidents? Stay off the freeway. Part of freedom is the freedom to take risks.

Now, for the vaccine-faithful, you better open your eyes to some harsh realities. Those people pushing vaccines are not just a bunch of benevolent philanthropists.

Baxter International Found Guilty of Distributing Live Flu Virus to 18 Countries:
http://goo.gl/6bpzL

GlaxoSmithKline Fined $3 Billion for bribery, etc:
http://goo.gl/hfP7o

Merck Makes False Claims:
http://www.naturalnews.com/036328_Merck_mumps_vaccine_False_Claims_Act.html

Flu vaccine in the 70s caused a number of deaths and permanent disabilities:
http://goo.gl/0O01w

So to the rest of you of the blind faith in the crony-capitalism that drives much of the pharmaceutical industry, enlighten us and please tell us which vaccines are safe and which are not. :p

DHMO really deserves a whole new thread. That stuff kills a lot of people.

I hear that levels of DHMO in the water supply are in the 90%+ range now

Better be careful about water too. I saw a local water quality report the other day that said there were levels of dihydrogen monoxide that would make your eyes pop. That shit can kill you!

I see that now, hence the edit you so conveniently forgot to quote. (Oops! This ain't the insult thread. My apologies.)

~Al the Alpaca~

i have debated the vaccination issue over and over
and every time my wife ends up throwing something at me!

this thread is not directed toward you....

Flu disclosure: I haven't read a single word of this thread, but know damn will it's a hate thread directed toward me. If I find out that that's the case, I will not hesitate to report this thread to the mods and have it taken down. There is no place in this world, especially on this forum, for alpacaphobes.

Are you vaccinated? Yeez! What next? Starting an alpaca watch organization because shit has been turning up missing, and the mistaken deer hoof prints look like they were left my an alpaca?

~Al the Alpaca~

Edit: Gulp! I guess not everything is about me. I would have sworn this was about getting rabies shots. I now feel so sick to my stomach for penning the above.

what they said mercury is good for mental performance!
lol wow, UN-Fucking-believable