Topic: Art contest: win some BTC, shape the visual future of Bitcoin gaming. - page 4. (Read 5903 times)

I read the entire thread and the article, and the comments.
Perhaps you didn't read my post at all? I clearly quoted from your conversation with ThickandTheives. I could go back through all your conversations and posts and pick out the points that you make that I believe are flawed, but then we amusingly have the same situation all over again: a ton of work for potentially no payout, as I doubt you will even stop a second to consider the points I am making, as I did you. How about you address the points made in my previous post instead of writing it off as clueless ranting, and maybe we could have an interesting discussion? humour me.

And, like my printer, people capable of performing this task are sitting around on idle, waiting to be told what to do? I see!


This is as close as I'll get to an acknowledgement, so you're welcome. Now run with it!


The mistaken assumption is that I'm interested in this project beyond feeding you the crumbs that will eventually become your game. The other mistaken assumption is that you learn how to make this game before you make it, and then 'come back' and make it, which is so convoluted that I fear you may have missed the point.

Read the thread. All your misstated concerns are already addressed therein.

For bonus brownie points, also read the article referenced in the OP, including the respective comments.

Then maybe you have something to say. Currently you do not.

Rofl, exactly, I don't understand how people can't get this

If you are gonna make a contest, at least offer a decent amount of money for the winner so its worth the risk of spending all that time for potentially no pay
$150 is pennies for something like this. Im poor as fuck and could use the money, but Id rather flip burgers for guaranteed pay.

In contrast, on reddit some guy was doing a contest like this for video submissions, and he got some decent submissions because he offered 5BTC + smaller prizes for 2nd and 3rd place
I entered and won 1st and 2nd -( it was a recurring contest) - so don't accuse me of being afraid to do a little spec work, but the payout at least has to be enticing.

also, im curious, why 2048×1536? thats overkill resolution.

Problem number A, subproblem A1: The forum full of 14 year olds and currency speculators pompously refers to itself as "the community".

Problem number A, subproblem A2: The forum full of 14 year olds and currency speculators (aged 16 and a half) pompously discusses its important contributions to "infrastructure" in terms of, "we are doing a lot of retarded posting and getting more retards to do the same, therefore we matter".

Let's reflect together on the fact that the aggregate contribution of the entire "devteam" over the course of years and including what, up to one hundred idiots has yet to count as a visible fraction of a percent of Satoshi's original creation, which took him a week. Nevertheless these worthless idiots presume to speak as if they're not only vaguely related to but actually representative of Bitcoin. This is scandalous.


Problem number 2, subproblem 2a. You have no fucking idea what the words mean. This is because you yourself are one of those 14 year olds you talk down to. The word job denotes generally "a piece of work, especially a specific task". Your printer has a job queue, for instance. That you'd take some particular meaning and run with it on the strength of your inner conviction - context be damned - simply belies deficient literacy in your case.

Problem number 2, subproblem 2b. You have no fucking idea what's going on around you. The thread is what the thread is, not what the idiots interacting with it do. Similarly, a bank loan is what the fine print says, not what the idiots running third mortgages on their houses do. While the tendency of 14 year olds to just follow the crowd is strong with you, that still doesn't change much.

Now pack your great ideas and go. They're not ideas and most importantly they're not yours. It's just shit you've overheard, probably from S.MG people themselves, and misunderstood, because your brain doesn't work properly.


This is true. This also is how we know you're an idiot: instead of learning it you're talking about how it could be learned, preferably by someone else. Not useful. Go learn it, come back next year or w/e.


So it's a case of cut the tit to fit the title, we could say.

Oh, yeah; I couldn't fit the game's glorious title on it with your chest in the way so I had to push it off screen   Sorry.

Spermy wheat in the pic was obviously a reference to resource trade/production, in the spirit of Settlers of Catan, whereby you have people growing trees, mining ore, making bricks, etc etc. These resources can be exchanged with other players, who could then use them to build a shop, or build a bridge to cross a wide river, etc. The player who made the shop can put wares in it, or sell it on the open market (better pay the king's real estate listing fees). The player who built the bridge now has a better trade route, or can set up a toll booth, etc.

The key here is the link between virtual and physical goods, without which the whole thing is another masturbatory reality-escape game. With that link in place, however, you don't need to go dicking around with 3d avatars and polygons and fancy graphics; people would explore a world with these rules if it was drawn by a three-year-old. Look at the free ride Minecraft got on graphics, just because you could build shit.

Obv this has already all been thought of, so it's time for breakfast!

Did you crop my bosom?


Did you read the stuff you quoted? I ask because the answer to your question is contained therein.

So many ideas that you're looking for art direction from a forum full of 14 year olds and currency speculators.


Job? I thought this was a big giveaway where people got paid pennies for scribbling in MSPaint?

"Job" would be where you try to find people who aren't idiots, and pay them money. The important part is that they're not idiots; everything else can be learned.

You guys may as well give up, I got this contest in the bag.

Damn, you got skills....

And YOU know how to hide your curiosity, almost.

You know wheat doesn't look like that.


Nope, actually not at all. See


None of this crap is a contribution, or useful, or welcome. We don't need ideas, we don't want ideas. We have plenty of ideas, and I can assure you nobody over at S.MG even reads or ever will read any of this crap, outside of me, and my orders are to just discard it whole.

The job is to draw not to run the mouth. Stick to it.

"Grinding" (never heard the word used in this context before) would be replaced by just purchasing skills in-game with BTC, or by hiring other players who've grinded/bought their way to the physical/financial/etc state you want them in. Why spend 3 weeks collecting magic levels when you can buy a shop protection spell, or hire a tough to hang around your door? Obviously there will still be some grinding/farming happening, but it won't be necessary and will only be for those who want to earn BTC without providing or creating anything that the public deems useful / worth buying.

In-game tech support requests get sent to the Hall of Wisdom, where you can read the ancient scrolls of FAQ, or hire an expert to help you organize the items in your shop, hone your farming skills, etc.

Want an off-limits area of the map opened up? Approach the Council of Elders, who will decide amongst themselves whether or not to enable it. Can they be bribed? Who knows.

Make (or lose) some quick money by stumbling into a gambling house, and trying your luck at some dice.

Based on how much money a character is spending in-game, more or fewer money-making opportunities will present themselves. Little kid who's farming wheat for 1mBTC a day? He might get lucky and find a 25mBTC coin in the soil every once in a while. Shop owner who pushes BTC10 of revenue a month out the door? Maybe the mayor gives him a prime location for his new shop, or the keys to the city.

Fact of the matter is that the splash page is a red herring; nobody gives a fuck about the splash page. Any dummy with a Wacom tablet can pull one together in a couple of hours. The meat and potatoes of this "create a splash page and we'll make a game around it" contest is that you're fishing for game ideas without saying as much. So I'm going to keep sketching out details of the game that's gonna put S.MG on the map (we've only scratched the surface), and you and MP are going to either take the freebies I've given you so far and run with them, or you'll realize that this project is enormous, too big for yourselves and one 20-hour-a-week programmer, and start, y'know, paying the people who are creating your game for you. Or I'll get tired of handing out freebies and you'll miss out on all the ideas I haven't come up with yet.

Assembling a round table of people who aren't idiots is a good start; more ideas will obviously follow when the council of non-idiots realizes that their ideas aren't just being pissed into the wind.

Best-case end result of this is that bitcoin transforms from a vehicle of speculation to a vehicle of commerce. The classic problem with opening your own dot-com online store is visibility: who's going to buy your product if they don't know about your website? How do you break out of a local market? Where does your advertising money get spent? How do you connect with your audience? Ebay and Etsy etc somewhat solved this by providing a shopping mall type setup, where people interested in spending money are browsing products; you're much more likely to get search hits for "unicorn pendant" on ebay than you are on google. Suddenly you don't need to break through the non-commerce noise, which is overwhelming on public search engines.

And so you set up your shop in TMK and start selling the chainmail shirts you used to sell on etsy, and someone sends you bitcoins for one of them, and now instead of hoarding those bitcoins or cashing them out for USD, you spend them on something else in-game, because now YOU'RE the person in the middle of a market with a pouch full of coins in your pocket. And so on.

Wheat.

Why buy your drugs on the silk road website when you can log into TMK, head over to the back-alley district, and buy them from Ye Olde Opium Shoppe? Obviously lots more tax men and thugs around here, so you're much more likely to get jumped and get your BTC stolen. Unless you've purchased a protection spell, which will protect you, &c.

Win a few jousting tournaments and you're more likely to win fights. Run a store, keep your customers happy, and maybe someone steps in when you get held up, or your inventory catches fire.

Nobody gave a fuck when their Tamagotchi died. Think people will give a fuck if the money they earned selling jewelry just got robbed?

Online wallets provided by "banks", so you only need to carry your spending money on your avatar instead of your whole in-game roll.

You writing all this down?

Ok but what are the yellow sperms in the actual center?

Focus obviously in the above image is those two guys trading BTC in the corner. If you want to make real money you don't sell virtual cow patties or turnips, you sell physical objects. Players open their own in-game Etsy stores and sell actual physical unicorn pendants and healing crystals and all the shit you see people hawking at renaissance fairs. In-game currency is obviously BTC. Unlike Etsy and eBay, there's no fees for listing or selling. Instead, the mad king's tax men are everywhere, and if they catch you in a transaction, you have to pay the king's tax (listing/selling fees).

It's like the home shopping channel, but you can practice your archery or do quests in the meantime. Think your girlfriend is gonna mind you playing TMK 16 hours a day if you're a level 99 middleman and can buy her a new Bench hoodie once every few weeks?