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Topic: Art contest: win some BTC, shape the visual future of Bitcoin gaming. - page 5. (Read 5903 times)

legendary
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You guys aren't even trying, there's no "e" in "dragon".



The mad king is heavy on taxes because he's trying to secure operating funds for his kingdom. Commoners have to guard their BTC closely.
hero member
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I just don't see why you torture yourself doing it this way.

It's not my idea (and if you ask me it's not the best idea, either). But to quote Mr. Knowitall,

Find an artist you like, from here, or anywhere else (I'm sure you could find someone on DeviantArt) and offer them the money. You can then work with them to get a quality piece you are both proud of.

There's the sticky point of the issue. Consider this bit (part of an earlier dispute with the Something Awful crowd):

Quote from: crazy_rabbit on June 10, 2013, 06:09:12 AM
People are a valuable resource- the most valuable in terms of something like bitcoin.
I think that's a common misconception. Selected people are the most valuable resource, much like selected earths are the most valuable resource. People generally are about as valuable as dirt generally.

So, community of people ready to do what? Ready to sit around and opine on things [they don't understand, have never done successfully etc]? Ready to ask for scammer tags? Ready to create one of them "securities" based on "maff and stuff" and their "life experience" (aged 20ish)? Ready to do something useful? Actually able to do something useful?

Indeed, it's the harder road, taking a large clean mirror and forcing this community of nobody in particular to gaze into it. The gift of washing is never appreciated by the herd of cats, and perhaps it's not a rational use of resources - especially not in an "everyone for himself" sort of environment, which obviously means "absent community". But then again you know this about MP, he's never taken the easier road when the right one was at all available, and he's never taken the "rational" road to nowhere either. As the old saying goes, "millions for defense but not a penny in bribes". Exceptionally enough he actually has the millions, too.

Doing these types of contests is frowned upon by a lot of designers and illustrators, because you are asking them to do (in this case potentially hours upon hours) of free work on the chance they might just win. These types of projects take a lot of effort to complete, not just on the technical aspect alone, but also thinking of the ideas and concepts.

I trust you've read the first comment on the article, where this point is at length discussed.

If you don't have a lot of money to spend on a project, that is absolutely fine, but instead of holding a "contest" like this, I would argue you would be much better off contacting someone, paying them, and working with them directly.

I trust you've read all about the IPO which collected something like 9000 Bitcoin. That IS a lot.

The outcome of a design is only partly based on the designer,
a good client who knows what he is looking for and is able to communicate that effectively to the designer is going to end up with an end product he is much happier with.

That may be, but this isn't that.

That isn't to say these contests don't ever work, and you are free to do whatever you want, obviously, but this is my opinion anyhow.

The problem with your opinion isn't that it's yours, is that it's not particularly related to the subject at hand, especially if you've not actually read the stuff mentioned above.
member
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I just don't see why you torture yourself doing it this way.
Find an artist you like, from here, or anywhere else (I'm sure you could find someone on DeviantArt) and offer them the money. You can then work with them to get a quality piece you are both proud of.

Doing these types of contests is frowned upon by a lot of designers and illustrators, because you are asking them to do (in this case potentially hours upon hours) of free work on the chance they might just win. These types of projects take a lot of effort to complete, not just on the technical aspect alone, but also thinking of the ideas and concepts.

If you don't have a lot of money to spend on a project, that is absolutely fine, but instead of holding a "contest" like this, I would argue you would be much better off contacting someone, paying them, and working with them directly.

The outcome of a design is only partly based on the designer,
a good client who knows what he is looking for and is able to communicate that effectively to the designer is going to end up with an end product he is much happier with.

That isn't to say these contests don't ever work, and you are free to do whatever you want, obviously, but this is my opinion anyhow.

Whichever path you choose, I hope you end up with a final product that you are happy with, and represents your game well. Smiley
legendary
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That's... That must have been a whole lot of effort.  Shocked

Loving it. https://blockchain.info/de/tx/93326b5999eca95d4558f54ae6dc7c42add5abc58f555f3d6f3da30a6aed5777

Thanks! I'm pretty sure that's the first time someone paid me for my 'graphic' skills.  Cheesy

Anyway, I did follow this guide to at least make it look like a dragon Tongue http://www.drawingnow.com/how-to-draw-a-dragon.html
hero member
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Challenge accepted!



The sad part is I actually did my best  Cheesy.

Edit:

Generated a fresh address: 18UavuhPKLmYUcgEU5QDBehSHcYtHk8Jj7

Hey, is that from some old Atari game? Seems familiar.
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legendary
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Here you go.

Boss sez, "well he's an idiot but at least he did something, so pay him .1337 to make the point to the other idiots that are also vocal about how lazy they are".

So, post an addy.

Does that mean, I won? Yay.  Cheesy Addy is in the sig.

I can make something similar in quality to Greyhawk's work if you're interested  Grin

Please don't steal my peculiar art style.  Sad

I said similar in quality, not style Wink

But I guess everyone knows I'm just bragging ... Sad

Imma pay you 50 % of my artists wages for your interpretation of "Dragonne Slayers: The Fantastic Fantasy Game"

Challenge accepted!



The sad part is I actually did my best  Cheesy.

Edit:

Generated a fresh address: 18UavuhPKLmYUcgEU5QDBehSHcYtHk8Jj7
hero member
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Honorarium received. Much obliged.

Waachtword, my offer still stands.
hero member
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I can make something similar in quality to Greyhawk's work if you're interested  Grin

Why oh why didn't I see that one coming.

Let's do it like this: now that the "there is money" point has been proven, people get busy on proving the other two points left ("there is talent" and "can follow instructions"). Trifecta!

Is it bad that I've been laughing at this whole thread? Tongue Seriously though, no artist worth the money is going to go out of there way to make you an extremely nice and detailed drawing for only the 'chance' to win some money what was ever wrong with asking for a portfolio and then picking someone based on that work like you do with any other art based job?

By this reasoning "no coder worth the money is ever going to make an extremely detailed project on the hopes of winning". Except they do. That's what the better coders do, and whenever some coder wants to be hired on a salary the first point in anyone's mind is "so he doesn't think he's good enough to start-up".

Really, it's 2013, time to split the artists from the wanna-bes.

If you have not figured it out yet, he is asking for a portfolio of 1 sample. People who have talent will be hired for more projects down the line.

In case he hasn't figured it out yet, anyone can be a dog on the internet, complete with a portfolio of art "they" made. People who actually hire know this, people who never get hired apparently have no idea.

Does it suck? Most certainly.

Is it better than anything else posted yet? Absolutely.

Does it sink in slower than obsidian in honey? Definitely.
hero member
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Heck, let me do it again.

*grab photo taken on a recent hike*
*slap on a background with right dimension*
*add a title*

Done. 2 Minutes (I needed to find a fitting font). Also Imgur upload was slow.

Does it suck? Most certainly.

Is it better than anything else posted yet? Absolutely.



hero member
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Is it bad that I've been laughing at this whole thread? Tongue Seriously though, no artist worth the money is going to go out of there way to make you an extremely nice and detailed drawing for only the 'chance' to win some money what was ever wrong with asking for a portfolio and then picking someone based on that work like you do with any other art based job?

If you have not figured it out yet, he is asking for a portfolio of 1 sample. People who have talent will be hired for more projects down the line.


That's the funny thing. Anything "an artist" would have to do is take whatever fantasy-y thing he has in his portfolio, crop it to the requested dimension and - bingo - you've got a valid entry. Then see how things go from there.
hero member
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
Is it bad that I've been laughing at this whole thread? Tongue Seriously though, no artist worth the money is going to go out of there way to make you an extremely nice and detailed drawing for only the 'chance' to win some money what was ever wrong with asking for a portfolio and then picking someone based on that work like you do with any other art based job?

If you have not figured it out yet, he is asking for a portfolio of 1 sample. People who have talent will be hired for more projects down the line.
hero member
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Merit: 1009


Here you go.

Boss sez, "well he's an idiot but at least he did something, so pay him .1337 to make the point to the other idiots that are also vocal about how lazy they are".

So, post an addy.

Does that mean, I won? Yay.  Cheesy Addy is in the sig.

I can make something similar in quality to Greyhawk's work if you're interested  Grin

Please don't steal my peculiar art style.  Sad

I said similar in quality, not style Wink

But I guess everyone knows I'm just bragging ... Sad

Imma pay you 50 % of my artists wages for your interpretation of "Dragonne Slayers: The Fantastic Fantasy Game"
legendary
Activity: 2324
Merit: 1125


Here you go.

Boss sez, "well he's an idiot but at least he did something, so pay him .1337 to make the point to the other idiots that are also vocal about how lazy they are".

So, post an addy.

Does that mean, I won? Yay.  Cheesy Addy is in the sig.

I can make something similar in quality to Greyhawk's work if you're interested  Grin

Please don't steal my peculiar art style.  Sad

I said similar in quality, not style Wink

But I guess everyone knows I'm just bragging ... Sad
hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 1009


Here you go.

Boss sez, "well he's an idiot but at least he did something, so pay him .1337 to make the point to the other idiots that are also vocal about how lazy they are".

So, post an addy.

Does that mean, I won? Yay.  Cheesy Addy is in the sig.

I can make something similar in quality to Greyhawk's work if you're interested  Grin

Please don't steal my peculiar art style.  Sad
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 1000
Is it bad that I've been laughing at this whole thread? Tongue Seriously though, no artist worth the money is going to go out of there way to make you an extremely nice and detailed drawing for only the 'chance' to win some money what was ever wrong with asking for a portfolio and then picking someone based on that work like you do with any other art based job?
legendary
Activity: 2324
Merit: 1125


Here you go.

Boss sez, "well he's an idiot but at least he did something, so pay him .1337 to make the point to the other idiots that are also vocal about how lazy they are".

So, post an addy.

Does that mean, I won? Yay.  Cheesy Addy is in the sig.

I can make something similar in quality to Greyhawk's work if you're interested  Grin
hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 1009


Here you go.

Boss sez, "well he's an idiot but at least he did something, so pay him .1337 to make the point to the other idiots that are also vocal about how lazy they are".

So, post an addy.

Does that mean, I won? Yay.  Cheesy Addy is in the sig.
full member
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if you can take the time to type out that post of yours but won't take the time to prove your talent you are in fact an untalented if verbose hack, and you know this.

I have no need to prove my talent to someone who conducts themselves in this manner. Insult me all you want, the portfolio model is not dolling out money to the masses. It is not welfare. They are all doing work and you own the rights to that work once it's finished. You can even take elements of one design and incorporate them into another.  It is a better way of working in this community. And you get more for your money if you do it right. Your boss must have dealt with some pretty lame people offering lackluster creative services judging by his and your 'tude. Sorry for the bad experience. No excuse to act elitist tho.



 
hero member
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It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye
Of course there is talent!  Cheesy  

I checked this out earlier. My problem is that I'm guilty of breaking my own personal rule of not participating in art/design contests in this forum already. I rationalized it because I'm just really excited about BTC and want to involve myself in the community as much as possible. But I'm closing in on not working spec anymore and even plan on writing a post in the service discussion forum about a better way to crowdsource. This is a spec competition that isn't even hosted on the forum, has very vague directions, and isn't clear about end dates. Way too risky to spend time on it even if I was totally ok with doing spec work. It could be a really awesome project to work on! I just don't have enough info about it to even consider it.

I think this community would benefit greatly by ditching the competition model and moving to a portfolio review/ split prize model.


On IRC, MP said that S.MG will have a bottomless need for more artwork to create their games. If you approach this as a job interview rather than a competition to make a quick buck then you might see the utility of entering an example of your work.

"isn't even hosted on the forum" - I think that should count as a positive

"has very vague directions" - They seem pretty clear to me, you just have alot of leeway within the specifications.

to mean one of two and only two things.  Thing number A: ...  Thing number 2: ...

Lol.
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