Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 1030. (Read 3917568 times)

There should be 400,000 shares visible from dividends, then the fact that some are used for PT (and therefore dividends are transfered to other persons) does not change anything here.

So keep in mind that this only tracks actual holders of AM shares. Any PT or micro-PT shares won't show dividend transactions since that's up to the original AM share owner to distribute.

I merged all 6 transactions into this sheet... can you find one I missed?

This is pretty useless since the transactions are split up in multiple parts.
(It was divided in 6 parts at the first dividend actually )

Edit:
I know that it started with 11 shareholders of 5k+, 21 holders had 1k+ shares, and 243 had < 1k shares.
At that point the # shares were ~163.5k

You can do Data -> Sort range... then sort by Column C, Z -> A, and everybody can see
its relative position among share holders.

Mine too.

Mine is in the same batch.

Well a simple check... do you see your address listed?   If not... what address are your satoshies sent from?  Maybe he has the PT's on a different transaction?

I have no idea... maybe AM bought back shares over time? Who knows?

From what I know all satoshies are sent from 115tTroRo3B9ZDQ6ATJGDCHcNEVbjJoZnF, is this not true?


I dug through information on the blockchain and copy pasted stuff mostly.

Really cool! Where/how did you get the data about transactions? I guess you didn't do it by hand 

It's likely that AM sends divs in more than one batch.

So I think I messed up... but maybe someone can find my mistake...

I tried to take all the satoshi transactions that appeared on 5/29/2013 and put them into a spreadsheet.  When I did this however the total number of shares came out to be 64,459 which means... im missing some... right?

Some cool things came out:

1) There are 298 direct shareholders
2) The mean number of shares held is 216 shares
3) The most common number of shares to hold is 10
4) The largest holder of shares (in one address) holds 12590 shares

THESE NUMBERS MAY BE WRONG!!!! I only could account for 64,459 shares... can someone find the ones I am missing or explain why I can not find them?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Am3MH7b0EM3adG56N1VzZzdtNXRZSkdOOXcxbGx0TXc&usp=sharing

PT's are derivatives from what I understand.

The point is moot though, you get just about the same dividend as the true shareholders get (minus a fee) and the price follows the price of the true shares.

You only don't have voting rights.

There are advantages, PT's are way faster to sell. No hassle with auctions and escrow payments.

Literally, owners of PT shares aren't shareholders, the issuers of PT's instead are.

Yeah, good idea, that'd work.

Looking at some of the auctions here some IPO people still hold thousands of shares. There'd be dozens who'd have a few hundred, then on down to the folk like me who got in a bit later. With the 1/100 pass throughs there'd now be a few thousand shareholders, I'd imagine, though strictly speaking 1/100 pass throughs aren't really AM shares.

I wonder how much the shares are spread, ie how many different people are actually holding them. Any way to get a rough feeling about that?

EDIT: I guess one could track the transactions that are paying dividends and counts the number of addresses

You're right. I've actually thought about this previously, that these charts should explicitly say "hash rate estimate". I'm going to fix that now.

The way I calculate this is as follows:

Every time a new ASICMiner block comes in, I add the mined amount to the present amount mined. Every time I receive a dividend payout to my shareholder address, the number of coins ASICMiner has mined since the last dividend payout is zeroed.

So for every ASICMiner solo block that comes in, total coins mined since last dividend payout gets incremented by the block reward. And when I receive a dividend payout to my address, this cumulative amount is set to zero, and we start over.

Right. They did that. The only reason they would diverge is if the units on the right vertical axis don't correspond to the units on the left vertical axis divided by 400,000. This was the case before because Google Spreadsheet charts adjust the range automatically, and one axis was adjusted while the other wasn't. The amounts were still correct.

The reason there are two lines is so that I don't have to create the right vertical axis and adjust it manually. When there are two lines, one for the left vertical axis and one for the right vertical axis, the units on the axes are automatically adjusted when the cumulative mining dividend increases.

If that's really the case then this is the income/share meter




_{*Note that costs for labour/electricity etc. have to be subtracted from this - Updates about every hour.}

When dividends are paid out, is the address the solo mined coins go into zeroed out?  Or in general, can you explain in a little detail the second graph and how you get the info for it?  I remember previously when looking at your charts the two lines would diverge... why would they ever diverge?  Hell, why have the two lines?  Shouldn't they... in a way... show the exact same thing?  Or is there something I am missing here that would cause a difference in mined vs. mined per share?

Like what's his name has pointed out twice now, since we know exactly how many coins are mined, people really need to ignore hashrate... and I need to better understand this second chart.