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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 1081. (Read 3917058 times)

legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1008
Still working on the script.

So far it says the following blocks have been mined by ASICMiner:

Code:
blockhash blockheight difficulty timestamp
000000000000010c9335c90f6e1f2d2a9af73ca078d660c98988234309b9dba3 237079 11187257.4614 1369069056
000000000000007e6a981b8d2604801dd11f8a668d7b474f0f828a9e4c30c0d5 237088 11187257.4614 1369074825
000000000000001c9b6fb89f95d1676d41f160f4f5ccf102243a6ef7ff015da4 237097 11187257.4614 1369082215
0000000000000105874616cf0700309a068ea89377077c432e52d8c18bbbb0b2 237099 11187257.4614 1369083698
newbie
Activity: 29
Merit: 0
First solo block:

https://blockchain.info/tx/cba743ea1b7904c5624e0ee75f12d177ceb214c07f8e8b55ff2eb082404eb54a?show_adv=true

From now on the solo result of ASICMINER will have "Mined By ASICMiner" within the CoinBase.

You're not including transactions?

What?

https://blockchain.info/block-index/383941

Transaction Fees   0.1392 BTC


My question now going forward (for everyone, not specifically Friedcat), for an company like this, is there any advantage to using the pools at all?

Solo mining provides

1) No operator fees
2) All transaction fees (which have been consistently rising since Bitcoin started)
3) Less risk from pool owner trust
4) Less risk from pool downtime and DDOS attacks

At a cost of
1) More variance (who cares when you have significant hash power)



If another fork event occurs, friedcat will have to be on top of it and potentially change the version of the protocol used for solo mining. See http://bitcoin.org/may15.html
hero member
Activity: 560
Merit: 500
First solo block:

https://blockchain.info/tx/cba743ea1b7904c5624e0ee75f12d177ceb214c07f8e8b55ff2eb082404eb54a?show_adv=true

From now on the solo result of ASICMINER will have "Mined By ASICMiner" within the CoinBase.

And it begins... *Insert Inception Bass Noise*
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
.... talk to some large shareholders who is thinking of cashing out ...
Like DeaDTerra https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-gasicminer-pt-210933
I'm wondering what he heard there that he want to dump 2800 shares...
Price dropped already...

On the other side there is TAT who still needs to buy about that amount so they should just work out a deal between themselves at mid price. Market price should therefore not move.

Possibly, but I try to buy off-market, so it's a little more tricky as I think DT wants to keep the shares within BitFunder if he can...
hero member
Activity: 518
Merit: 500
It's nothing new, he has been selling G.ASICMiner-PT for a few weeks...they had ~3600 shares, 2800 left. 
Closing down a fund.

No FUD to spread here sorry.

This is correct, DT holds a large amount of shares on behalf of a bunch of fund asset holders. He is liquidating that fund to pay everyone out and close the old asset. Sure, it'll affect the market a bit, but only for a few days. ChEEpCoINZ!
full member
Activity: 167
Merit: 100
.... talk to some large shareholders who is thinking of cashing out ...
Like DeaDTerra https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-gasicminer-pt-210933
I'm wondering what he heard there that he want to dump 2800 shares...
Price dropped already...

On the other side there is TAT who still needs to buy about that amount so they should just work out a deal between themselves at mid price. Market price should therefore not move.
hero member
Activity: 588
Merit: 500
It's nothing new, he has been selling G.ASICMiner-PT for a few weeks...they had ~4130 shares, 2800 left.  
Closing down 'Gamma' fund.

No FUD to spread here sorry.
legendary
Activity: 1029
Merit: 1000
.... talk to some large shareholders who is thinking of cashing out ...
Like DeaDTerra https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/selling-gasicminer-pt-210933
I'm wondering what he heard there that he want to dump 2800 shares...
Price dropped already...
full member
Activity: 251
Merit: 100
Du hast

"Diversification is a protection for ignorance, It makes very little sense for those who know what they're doing." - Warren Buffet

Don't know if this is Warren Buffet supporting the idea of diversification, or sarcasm.  Let's take a look at what Warren has as of Dec 21, 2012.

1.) Wells Fargo & Co ........ financial
2.) Coca Cola Co .... consumer
3.) International Business Machines .... tech company
4.) American Express Co .... financial
5.) Procter & Gamble Co .... consumer goods
6.) Wal Mart Stores Inc .... department stores
7.) U S Bancorp Del ... financial
8.) Directv ... cable tv service
9.) Davita Inc ... health care
10.) Phillips 66 ... oil and gas
11) KFT ... food
12) INTC .... tech
13) Viacom ... cable tv service
14) Ingersol Rand ... industrial goods
15) National Oil Well Varco  ... oil and gas
16) Johnson and Johnson ... drug
etc.


His personal wealth is comparable to the market value of a lot of those companies. I'd say he diversifies partly because he's forced to. It's hard to buy a lot of shares even when you have the money, and when you try it's hard not to end up buying more expensive shares. Then it's also not easy to find a nice way to cash out when you hold lots of stock.

Just to be clear...

Buffet's net worth: ~53B

Walmart's market cap: 256B
Proctor and gamble: 216B
Johnson & Johnson: 239B
Wells fargo: 213B
IBM: 230B

To pretend like he is "forced" to diversify is to completely ignore the scale of those companies.  Just adding those 5 up is an order of magnitude off from his net worth.

I'm not taking a side or making any point other than that particular logic doesn't work here.

Berkshire Hathaway's market cap (464B) which is what owns all those above is the 5th largest company in the world, behind Exxon Mobil, Apple, General Electric, and Cheveron. Buffet's net worth is just his holdings in BRK-A

Also, not taking sides, the man is very talented with investing, I wish I could learn 1/2 of what he's forgotten over the years.
member
Activity: 63
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To pretend like he is "forced" to diversify is to completely ignore the scale of those companies.  Just adding those 5 up is an order of magnitude off from his net worth.

I'm not taking a side or making any point other than that particular logic doesn't work here.

Yeah... no.

Imagine you have a lot of money and considering buying 4000 ASICMINER shares. That's just 1%, but it's still not easy. In fact, it's going to be very, very difficult. Even if you to buy at 2.2 per share (slightly above the price at btct) you might not even get 500 in one day.

If you try to spread it out in a week or so you might end up paying say 2.5 per share. If you spread it out in a month you won't really get a good deal either, because ASICMINER would probably still rise at an uncomfortable pace.

Even if you still decide to spread it out over a relatively long time frame, you'd be sitting on an idle pile of money for some time; if there's something better while you're waiting, you'd like to put your money there.

To actually get a good deal you probably need to talk to some large shareholders who is thinking of cashing out, and be careful not to advertise so much that the share price rockets up because you're too famous for being rich, or really be patient with your buying strategy. Both of these happen quite a lot.

Now Warren Buffett probably faces this quite often. Every time a new pile of cash arrives at his hand, he has to think of ways to turn them into shares. Then there's the painful time of cashing them out; if you try to sell 4000 shares of ASICMINER-PT on btct at once, you see most of your shares turning to peanuts.

"Comparable to the market value" was more of a matter of speech, because even with one tenth of his wealth it's not an easy task to turn all money into shares of a handful of companies at good prices.
legendary
Activity: 1190
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www.bitcointrading.com

"Diversification is a protection for ignorance, It makes very little sense for those who know what they're doing." - Warren Buffet

Don't know if this is Warren Buffet supporting the idea of diversification, or sarcasm.  Let's take a look at what Warren has as of Dec 21, 2012.

1.) Wells Fargo & Co ........ financial
2.) Coca Cola Co .... consumer
3.) International Business Machines .... tech company
4.) American Express Co .... financial
5.) Procter & Gamble Co .... consumer goods
6.) Wal Mart Stores Inc .... department stores
7.) U S Bancorp Del ... financial
8.) Directv ... cable tv service
9.) Davita Inc ... health care
10.) Phillips 66 ... oil and gas
11) KFT ... food
12) INTC .... tech
13) Viacom ... cable tv service
14) Ingersol Rand ... industrial goods
15) National Oil Well Varco  ... oil and gas
16) Johnson and Johnson ... drug
etc.


His personal wealth is comparable to the market value of a lot of those companies. I'd say he diversifies partly because he's forced to. It's hard to buy a lot of shares even when you have the money, and when you try it's hard not to end up buying more expensive shares. Then it's also not easy to find a nice way to cash out when you hold lots of stock.

Just to be clear...

Buffet's net worth: ~53B

Walmart's market cap: 256B
Proctor and gamble: 216B
Johnson & Johnson: 239B
Wells fargo: 213B
IBM: 230B

To pretend like he is "forced" to diversify is to completely ignore the scale of those companies.  Just adding those 5 up is an order of magnitude off from his net worth.

I'm not taking a side or making any point other than that particular logic doesn't work here.

Just wait until those billions start flowing to Bitcoin.. 

ASICMINER shares around $250 right now (2 x $125).  When a Bitcoin costs $1000's of dollars in the next couple years, the ASICMINER shares could become very very valuable. 
legendary
Activity: 980
Merit: 1008
Someone will need to write a script that pulls the asicminer solo mined blocks and estimates hashpower from that at x difficulty.  Anyone up for it?
I'm working on it.
full member
Activity: 219
Merit: 100

"Diversification is a protection for ignorance, It makes very little sense for those who know what they're doing." - Warren Buffet

Don't know if this is Warren Buffet supporting the idea of diversification, or sarcasm.  Let's take a look at what Warren has as of Dec 21, 2012.

1.) Wells Fargo & Co ........ financial
2.) Coca Cola Co .... consumer
3.) International Business Machines .... tech company
4.) American Express Co .... financial
5.) Procter & Gamble Co .... consumer goods
6.) Wal Mart Stores Inc .... department stores
7.) U S Bancorp Del ... financial
8.) Directv ... cable tv service
9.) Davita Inc ... health care
10.) Phillips 66 ... oil and gas
11) KFT ... food
12) INTC .... tech
13) Viacom ... cable tv service
14) Ingersol Rand ... industrial goods
15) National Oil Well Varco  ... oil and gas
16) Johnson and Johnson ... drug
etc.


His personal wealth is comparable to the market value of a lot of those companies. I'd say he diversifies partly because he's forced to. It's hard to buy a lot of shares even when you have the money, and when you try it's hard not to end up buying more expensive shares. Then it's also not easy to find a nice way to cash out when you hold lots of stock.

Just to be clear...

Buffet's net worth: ~53B

Walmart's market cap: 256B
Proctor and gamble: 216B
Johnson & Johnson: 239B
Wells fargo: 213B
IBM: 230B

To pretend like he is "forced" to diversify is to completely ignore the scale of those companies.  Just adding those 5 up is an order of magnitude off from his net worth.

I'm not taking a side or making any point other than that particular logic doesn't work here.
hero member
Activity: 546
Merit: 500

My question now going forward (for everyone, not specifically Friedcat), for an company like this, is there any advantage to using the pools at all?

Solo mining provides

1) No operator fees
2) All transaction fees (which have been consistently rising since Bitcoin started)
3) Less risk from pool owner trust
4) Less risk from pool downtime and DDOS attacks

At a cost of
1) More variance (who cares when you have significant hash power)


You've summed it up pretty well. With this proportion of the network hashrate variation really isn't a problem. Who cares if we don't find a block for 6 hours, then find 5 within 5 minutes, it'll all go into the weekly dividend anyway.
full member
Activity: 219
Merit: 100
Someone will need to write a script that pulls the asicminer solo mined blocks and estimates hashpower from that at x difficulty.  Anyone up for it?
member
Activity: 63
Merit: 10

"Diversification is a protection for ignorance, It makes very little sense for those who know what they're doing." - Warren Buffet

Don't know if this is Warren Buffet supporting the idea of diversification, or sarcasm.  Let's take a look at what Warren has as of Dec 21, 2012.

1.) Wells Fargo & Co ........ financial
2.) Coca Cola Co .... consumer
3.) International Business Machines .... tech company
4.) American Express Co .... financial
5.) Procter & Gamble Co .... consumer goods
6.) Wal Mart Stores Inc .... department stores
7.) U S Bancorp Del ... financial
8.) Directv ... cable tv service
9.) Davita Inc ... health care
10.) Phillips 66 ... oil and gas
11) KFT ... food
12) INTC .... tech
13) Viacom ... cable tv service
14) Ingersol Rand ... industrial goods
15) National Oil Well Varco  ... oil and gas
16) Johnson and Johnson ... drug
etc.


His personal wealth is comparable to the market value of a lot of those companies. I'd say he diversifies partly because he's forced to. It's hard to buy a lot of shares even when you have the money, and when you try it's hard not to end up buying more expensive shares. Then it's also not easy to find a nice way to cash out when you hold lots of stock.
donator
Activity: 980
Merit: 1000
First solo block:

https://blockchain.info/tx/cba743ea1b7904c5624e0ee75f12d177ceb214c07f8e8b55ff2eb082404eb54a?show_adv=true

From now on the solo result of ASICMINER will have "Mined By ASICMiner" within the CoinBase.

You're not including transactions?

What?

https://blockchain.info/block-index/383941

Transaction Fees   0.1392 BTC

Oh, ok. I was looking at the wrong block from a different tab.
sr. member
Activity: 310
Merit: 250
First solo block:

https://blockchain.info/tx/cba743ea1b7904c5624e0ee75f12d177ceb214c07f8e8b55ff2eb082404eb54a?show_adv=true

From now on the solo result of ASICMINER will have "Mined By ASICMiner" within the CoinBase.

You're not including transactions?

What?

https://blockchain.info/block-index/383941

Transaction Fees   0.1392 BTC


My question now going forward (for everyone, not specifically Friedcat), for an company like this, is there any advantage to using the pools at all?

Solo mining provides

1) No operator fees
2) All transaction fees (which have been consistently rising since Bitcoin started)
3) Less risk from pool owner trust
4) Less risk from pool downtime and DDOS attacks

At a cost of
1) More variance (who cares when you have significant hash power)

full member
Activity: 182
Merit: 100
We need more blocks before we can say for sure how long between each. It will all average out in the end anyway. Some will take much much longer and others are like this one.
donator
Activity: 980
Merit: 1000
First solo block:

https://blockchain.info/tx/cba743ea1b7904c5624e0ee75f12d177ceb214c07f8e8b55ff2eb082404eb54a?show_adv=true

From now on the solo result of ASICMINER will have "Mined By ASICMiner" within the CoinBase.

You're not including transactions?
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