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eleuthria on BTCGuild obtaining 51% - a response from ASICMINER:

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I've received a response from the ASICMINER team.  They are aware of BTC Guild's growing share of the network, and have told me that their next batches of power will be split among more pools or even solo mining to avoid a pool reaching 51%.  They have also identified that selling hardware is on the table if their own share of the network approaches the 51% level.  This doesn't mean the 51% plan in place will change, but it hopefully means the pool will not hit the 45% stage, and any increases in fees if we hit 40% should only last for 1-2 weeks.

Im glad to see they will split to other pools in the next deployment cycle.
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eleuthria on BTCGuild obtaining 51% - a response from ASICMINER:

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I've received a response from the ASICMINER team.  They are aware of BTC Guild's growing share of the network, and have told me that their next batches of power will be split among more pools or even solo mining to avoid a pool reaching 51%.  They have also identified that selling hardware is on the table if their own share of the network approaches the 51% level.  This doesn't mean the 51% plan in place will change, but it hopefully means the pool will not hit the 45% stage, and any increases in fees if we hit 40% should only last for 1-2 weeks.
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Any updates from friedcat on how deployment of the 50 TH is going?
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I think you need to look at your math again. If he buys BTC75 worth of shares at BTC0.75, that would give him 100 shares exactly. Using the last dividend, that would net him BTC0.25555300. Which, as you pointed out was small. Using the lowest dividend from a week without lots of expenses (March 7th) of BTC0.01917149, would have earned him...

Counting on future dividends of 0.01917149 is an unrealistic estimation. This amount was paid back when friedcat was trying to return all the money (or, as much as possible) to the IPO investors. Since then, friedcat has reduced dividends significantly. As others have estimated, dividends are expected to be around 0.006-0.007 (assuming no large expenses) given that AM has about 10% of the total hash rate.

Why unrealistic? If they manage to solve the power and network problems they can bring online the other 6 TH and it would be 20% or so beyond the initial dividends then. Then there are the 50TH... i dont think its too unrealistic. Only because 240000 shares came to it now doesnt mean that this cant be compensated...

we are at 7,1 TH/s, so only 4,9 TH/s remains Cheesy But it was promised to be deployed by the end of march and we are in second third of april :-(

Youre right. It was an example because 50TH are waiting already. And of course the deployment stopped because of the problems. But the way you calculate you only would be right if these problems couldnt be solved. I think thats far from reality. The problems will be solved and asicminer can spend as much money as they want to buy more TH. You only have to look at the costs of the last 200TH. 2 weeks with lower dividend, thats it.
So i think your estimations are way too pessimistic. Maybe it will still need another month until deployment moves on... but i dont see a reason why the problems shouldnt be solved.

Hi guys,

I've been out for a while, and was wondering how to manage my shares since GLBSE is out; I have around 100shares, and I've seen sites like BTC-TC and Bitfunder, that offer the possibility to manage them (asking first to friedcat)... Which one do you prefer? is there one better? regarding Security, fees, dividends, minimun shares or restrictions, etc...

Thanks  Wink

You should note that you cant manage you asicminer shares there. You will get asicminer-passthrough-shares in exchange and these can you manage there. So you dont have a contract with friedcat anymore.
If you chose you should know that you can turn the passthrough-shares back to asicminer with a minimum of 240 shares with deadterra and 1 with burnside.
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I would like that, although as "investor" who holds 17 shares I hardly qualify for creating and mantaining thread like that. Will you do it, please?

Well I would qualify even less as I only have 14 shares currently on btct.co ;-)

The dividends history is available on the trading site, the problem is that the news updates that are given by friedcat here must be sought in a massive amount of other user posts, so a "digest" thread would add to readability.
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Yes, good idea about separate topic

and just about the 47 mln usd...
in my country, Poland - food, houses and other things (like our currency, the PLN) are CHEAP
so here... if you have about 300 000 USD we will call you "a milioner" I guess

And BTW. Poland is a VERY safe country (Schengen Area). Come to Poland, Bitcoin millioners! I may pick you up at the airport! Smiley Cheesy
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Value of the company is currently ~ $60 Million USD... friedcat is rich now, yes. Well deserved I might add. He has also helped make a lot of others rich, too. Those who took the sizable risk of purchasing IPO shares have been rewarded nicely.

Market depth does not necessarily support that valuation.
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we are at 7,1 TH/s, so only 4,9 TH/s remains Cheesy But it was promised to be deployed by the end of march and we are in second third of april :-(

True, but it's still better that BFL's promises by an infinite order of magnitude Cheesy

I was thinking maybe it would be nice to have a separate topic to follow the dividends history, comments and maybe speculation about them. As valuable as it is, this thread is growing overly large IMHO. So what do you think?

I would like that, although as "investor" who holds 17 shares I hardly qualify for creating and mantaining thread like that. Will you do it, please?
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Value of the company is currently ~ $60 Million USD... friedcat is rich now, yes. Well deserved I might add. He has also helped make a lot of others rich, too. Those who took the sizable risk of purchasing IPO shares have been rewarded nicely.
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Well, at least 163,962 shares belong to other people. And from the remaining we can only speculate how many friedcat is holding himself since he has some partners.

Well I know it's not only him... and the shareholders...
but still... 47 600 000 USD ? ? ?
It's just related to the BTCUSD exchange rate. Nothing to do with ASICMINER.
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Well, at least 163,962 shares belong to other people. And from the remaining we can only speculate how many friedcat is holding himself since he has some partners.

Well I know it's not only him... and the shareholders...
but still... 47 600 000 USD ? ? ?

Have you seen how many bitcoins ASICMINER mines in a day? How about a week or a month?

The valuation of the shares price also includes the public's expectation for the future plans for the company.
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Well, at least 163,962 shares belong to other people. And from the remaining we can only speculate how many friedcat is holding himself since he has some partners.

Well I know it's not only him... and the shareholders...
but still... 47 600 000 USD ? ? ?
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Please tell me - am I correct?

There are 400 000 shares of ASICMINER
each worth more than 0.7btc

400 000*0.7 = 280 000 BTC
BTC is at least 170 USD each

280 000 * 170 = 47 600 000 USD

2013 Ferrari is $379 800
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-458-SPIDER-2013-FERRARI-458-SPIDER-1K-MILES-330K-MSRP-PLUS-/190820213175?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c6dc561b7

well...
ASICMINER is worth 47600000/379800 = 125 Ferrari cars...

is friedcat very rich? am I dreaming this?

Well, at least 163,962 shares belong to other people. And from the remaining we can only speculate how many friedcat is holding himself since he has some partners.
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Please tell me - am I correct?

There are 400 000 shares of ASICMINER
each worth more than 0.7btc

400 000*0.7 = 280 000 BTC
BTC is at least 170 USD each

280 000 * 170 = 47 600 000 USD

2013 Ferrari is $379 800
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ferrari-458-SPIDER-2013-FERRARI-458-SPIDER-1K-MILES-330K-MSRP-PLUS-/190820213175?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c6dc561b7

well...
ASICMINER is worth 47600000/379800 = 125 Ferrari cars...

is friedcat very rich? am I dreaming this?
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Sounds legit man. If you build it they may come.
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we are at 7,1 TH/s, so only 4,9 TH/s remains Cheesy But it was promised to be deployed by the end of march and we are in second third of april :-(

True, but it's still better that BFL's promises by an infinite order of magnitude Cheesy

I was thinking maybe it would be nice to have a separate topic to follow the dividends history, comments and maybe speculation about them. As valuable as it is, this thread is growing overly large IMHO. So what do you think?
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Hi guys,

I've been out for a while, and was wondering how to manage my shares since GLBSE is out; I have around 100shares, and I've seen sites like BTC-TC and Bitfunder, that offer the possibility to manage them (asking first to friedcat)... Which one do you prefer? is there one better? regarding Security, fees, dividends, minimun shares or restrictions, etc...

Thanks  Wink

This topic has been done to absolute death. While it's a pain to read through page after page of this thread to get to the meat of that subject there's so much valuable insight it's well worth the read. If however you're unwilling to devote the time to doing so then at least read this thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/asicminer-for-dummies-159194
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Hi guys,

I've been out for a while, and was wondering how to manage my shares since GLBSE is out; I have around 100shares, and I've seen sites like BTC-TC and Bitfunder, that offer the possibility to manage them (asking first to friedcat)... Which one do you prefer? is there one better? regarding Security, fees, dividends, minimun shares or restrictions, etc...

Thanks  Wink
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I think you need to look at your math again. If he buys BTC75 worth of shares at BTC0.75, that would give him 100 shares exactly. Using the last dividend, that would net him BTC0.25555300. Which, as you pointed out was small. Using the lowest dividend from a week without lots of expenses (March 7th) of BTC0.01917149, would have earned him...

Counting on future dividends of 0.01917149 is an unrealistic estimation. This amount was paid back when friedcat was trying to return all the money (or, as much as possible) to the IPO investors. Since then, friedcat has reduced dividends significantly. As others have estimated, dividends are expected to be around 0.006-0.007 (assuming no large expenses) given that AM has about 10% of the total hash rate.

Why unrealistic? If they manage to solve the power and network problems they can bring online the other 6 TH and it would be 20% or so beyond the initial dividends then. Then there are the 50TH... i dont think its too unrealistic. Only because 240000 shares came to it now doesnt mean that this cant be compensated...

we are at 7,1 TH/s, so only 4,9 TH/s remains Cheesy But it was promised to be deployed by the end of march and we are in second third of april :-(
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I think you need to look at your math again. If he buys BTC75 worth of shares at BTC0.75, that would give him 100 shares exactly. Using the last dividend, that would net him BTC0.25555300. Which, as you pointed out was small. Using the lowest dividend from a week without lots of expenses (March 7th) of BTC0.01917149, would have earned him...

Counting on future dividends of 0.01917149 is an unrealistic estimation. This amount was paid back when friedcat was trying to return all the money (or, as much as possible) to the IPO investors. Since then, friedcat has reduced dividends significantly. As others have estimated, dividends are expected to be around 0.006-0.007 (assuming no large expenses) given that AM has about 10% of the total hash rate.

Why unrealistic? If they manage to solve the power and network problems they can bring online the other 6 TH and it would be 20% or so beyond the initial dividends then. Then there are the 50TH... i dont think its too unrealistic. Only because 240000 shares came to it now doesnt mean that this cant be compensated...
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