They're both important.
Time to market because of the crazy high diff change (more profit per GH/s when you deploy sooner rather than later).
Immersion cooling because of the electricity and space savings (which can also be mitigated by moving to places where electricity is cheap and space is not an issue but AM's datacenter space is limited and its electricity costs are not the lowest).
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March 27, 2014, 03:47:08 PM
March 27, 2014, 03:36:21 PM
immersion cooling data centre was Asicminer, but this company "allied-control" is not owned by Friedcat,
also the total hash power of that data centre is just ~1P
and other companies are mining btc by using 28nm chips , Friedcat is still testing their chips.
also the total hash power of that data centre is just ~1P
and other companies are mining btc by using 28nm chips , Friedcat is still testing their chips.
Nobody claimed allied control was owned by FC only the datacenter.
AM 40nm chips will be cheaper and more efficient than those 28nm chips.
I would go with 1PH in the size of a shipping container using only 500KW over a massive datacenter using 1500KW any day.
What I am trying to say is that TIME is more important than electricity cost
Also the immersion cooling data centre cost too much
Also the immersion cooling data centre cost too much
Not true. Immersion cooled datacenter cost $100,000 and saves $65,000 per month.
Time is only important if you are using hardware that is going to be replaced.
At 0.2w/gh AM hardware will be doing the replacing.
March 27, 2014, 03:29:48 PM
only problem is TIME, nothing else, the Gen 3 chips just taped out ..
Source?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5867787
Not fast enough...
Nowhere does it say in that post that they just taped out. In fact it says packaged chips will be ready by tomorrow.
And how exactly is 10 times space density + saving $65,000/month in electricity useless?
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It was my understanding that those immersion cooling tanks WAS Asicminer.
Video from allied control clearly says customer: asicminer
What I am trying to say is that TIME is more important than electricity cost
Also the immersion cooling data centre cost too much
March 27, 2014, 03:28:02 PM
immersion cooling is useless..
Care to elaborate or are you just blurting things out of your ass?
Just 1P , also allied control doesn't belong to Firedcat..
http://www.allied-control.com/about-us/allied-control
It was my understanding that those immersion cooling tanks WAS Asicminer. We've seen photo's of a shareholder touring the Hong Kong high rise and taking pictures of himself between the racks.
That is a currently hashing Gen 1 bitcoin mining operation by Asicminer.
In order for the first wafers to have been delivered already, tapeout happened 6+ weeks ago.
immersion cooling data centre was Asicminer, but this company "allied-control" is not owned by Friedcat,
also the total hash power of that data centre is just ~1P
and other companies are mining btc by using 28nm chips , Friedcat is still testing their chips.
March 27, 2014, 03:26:09 PM
only problem is TIME, nothing else, the Gen 3 chips just taped out ..
Source?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5867787
Not fast enough...
Nowhere does it say in that post that they just taped out. In fact it says packaged chips will be ready by tomorrow.
And how exactly is 10 times space density + saving $65,000/month in electricity useless?
Quote
It was my understanding that those immersion cooling tanks WAS Asicminer.
Video from allied control clearly says customer: asicminer
March 27, 2014, 03:23:25 PM
immersion cooling is useless..
Care to elaborate or are you just blurting things out of your ass?
Just 1P , also allied control doesn't belong to Firedcat..
http://www.allied-control.com/about-us/allied-control
It was my understanding that those immersion cooling tanks WAS Asicminer. We've seen photo's of a shareholder touring the Hong Kong high rise and taking pictures of himself between the racks.
That is a currently hashing Gen 1 bitcoin mining operation by Asicminer.
In order for the first wafers to have been delivered already, tapeout happened 6+ weeks ago.
March 27, 2014, 03:21:26 PM
only problem is TIME, nothing else, the Gen 3 chips just taped out ..
Source?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5867787
Not fast enough...
March 27, 2014, 03:20:09 PM
only problem is TIME, nothing else, the Gen 3 chips just taped out ..
Source?
March 27, 2014, 03:18:35 PM
immersion cooling is useless..
I assume that implies either ineffective, or unnecessary. Since it appears to effectively solve a real problem, where do you see it as useless? Perhaps for your pair of USB sticks... At some point, the cost/scale lines will meet and make it viable, or 'not useless'.
The only problem is TIME, nothing else, the Gen 3 chips just taped out ..
March 27, 2014, 03:16:43 PM
immersion cooling is useless..
Care to elaborate or are you just blurting things out of your ass?
Just 1P , also allied control doesn't belong to Firedcat..
http://www.allied-control.com/about-us/allied-control
March 27, 2014, 03:12:21 PM
immersion cooling is useless..
Care to elaborate or are you just blurting things out of your ass?
March 27, 2014, 03:09:39 PM
immersion cooling is useless..
Clearly not according to that video.
March 27, 2014, 03:08:17 PM
immersion cooling is useless..
March 27, 2014, 01:39:14 PM
Well, no divs today... Doesn't matter, IMO...
In fact, I'd prefer AM to switch to monthly or at least bi-weekly payouts. If gen 3 is focussed on pure chip sales, this would adhere better to the production/sale-cycle.
In fact, I'd prefer AM to switch to monthly or at least bi-weekly payouts. If gen 3 is focussed on pure chip sales, this would adhere better to the production/sale-cycle.
I also would not mind monthly payments... but I would prefer some sort of official update if this is what is going on. To just not pay a dividend, and not say anything about it -_-
March 27, 2014, 01:33:50 PM
Well, no divs today... Doesn't matter, IMO...
In fact, I'd prefer AM to switch to monthly or at least bi-weekly payouts. If gen 3 is focussed on pure chip sales, this would adhere better to the production/sale-cycle.
In fact, I'd prefer AM to switch to monthly or at least bi-weekly payouts. If gen 3 is focussed on pure chip sales, this would adhere better to the production/sale-cycle.
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March 27, 2014, 01:04:54 PM
so no divs this week ? that is a first 
That would be quite sad makes the wait seem longer now
March 27, 2014, 12:56:49 PM
March 27, 2014, 12:46:36 PM
But yes, in case the mining address tops up the divs address
What do you mean in case... Go look at the blockchain, the reason people are able to predict the divs so well is because friedcat follows a system typically. The main reason I am giving you crap is you posted a div estimate that is impossible. There is no unit under a satoshi, and not only that but you were listing a div that was 10,000x off of any reasonable estimate.
Who said anything?
I showed you the process, you're absolutely free to adhere to it or not. The math is fine thank you. You disagree on my not including the mining revenue, that's fine by me. As I said, you include the mining revenue, you need to include the rest (if any), and that's even more guess-work.
March 27, 2014, 12:34:35 PM
so no divs this week ? that is a first
March 27, 2014, 12:12:36 PM
But yes, in case the mining address tops up the divs address
What do you mean in case... Go look at the blockchain, the reason people are able to predict the divs so well is because friedcat follows a system typically. The main reason I am giving you crap is you posted a div estimate that is impossible. There is no unit under a satoshi, and not only that but you were listing a div that was 10,000x off of any reasonable estimate.
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