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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 521. (Read 3917468 times)

legendary
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share price will be 0.1 BTC soon ... FUD! FUD, Everywhere!

I really don't understand why people still buying AM shares at 0.7 BTC ... blablabla

Even if they tape out Gen 3 now, it still needs at least 2 months to increase hash rate .... so what?

I don't understand FC communication behavoir either but:

Look at dividends of apple. According to your logic apple should be worth nothing! Cheesy Stop the FUD, troll!

*If* AM chips really get to 0,2 W/GH they will sell like hot cakes! So even in bitcoinland a company can't be rated by dividends only!
newbie
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share price will be 0.1 BTC soon ...

I really don't understand why people still buying AM shares at 0.7 BTC ..

Even if they tape out Gen 3 now, it still needs at least 2 months to increase hash rate ....
hero member
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A pumpkin mines 27 hours a night
Would AM and shareholders be better off, if we stopped solo mining and joined a pool? I realize that it's just variance, but there comes a point where our hashing power(as it stands) will probably be unlikely to solo mine a single block in a weeks time so it might be better to have consistent dividends.

No, please don't give the god-damned pools any more hash power. The variance is fine for AM, they'll win some and lose some but it is more important for the AM team to not miss a minute of time working on the new systems to launch...

Au contraire. Just don't give certain pools more hash power. The pools need to be balanced so we should support smaller pools which have about 10%. In fact, AM used to poolmine until approx. June 2013 AFAIK....
newbie
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Would AM and shareholders be better off, if we stopped solo mining and joined a pool? I realize that it's just variance, but there comes a point where our hashing power(as it stands) will probably be unlikely to solo mine a single block in a weeks time so it might be better to have consistent dividends.

No, please don't give the god-damned pools any more hash power. The variance is fine for AM, they'll win some and lose some but it is more important for the AM team to not miss a minute of time working on the new systems to launch...
hero member
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Would AM and shareholders be better off, if we stopped solo mining and joined a pool? I realize that it's just variance, but there comes a point where our hashing power(as it stands) will probably be unlikely to solo mine a single block in a weeks time so it might be better to have consistent dividends.
I don't know what hashrate AM has now, but mining at a pool with 50 th for the last 7 days would give us about 90 coins. For next diff of 2200M it's about 75 coins...
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Would AM and shareholders be better off, if we stopped solo mining and joined a pool? I realize that it's just variance, but there comes a point where our hashing power(as it stands) will probably be unlikely to solo mine a single block in a weeks time so it might be better to have consistent dividends.
hero member
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is this dividend some kind of joke?  Huh
Why?
What div did you expect out of 4 mined blocks this week?
sr. member
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is this dividend some kind of joke?  Huh
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legendary
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any news on divs?


Nothing yet - don't think there will be any surprises though..

last week divs was a surprise Smiley
sr. member
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any news on divs?


Nothing yet - don't think there will be any surprises though..
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any news on divs?
sr. member
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a thought crossed my mind, a fairly obvious one... making announcements is a double edged sword.

ok so it keeps shareholders happy and allows speculators to plan accordingly etc, but announcing every detail of a business plan is likely going to hurt a little in some shape or form when it comes to competition.

this in turn may hurt the shareholder. Another reason for everyone to continue to be patient as far as I'm concerned
hero member
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I'm just saying that there are probably a lot of little parts to order and they may have difficulties at this time to obtain them.  I'm not saying because this one company is taking 3 weeks off that everyone will.  I'm just saying maybe, there may be delays in the next little while.  Apparently officially it's Jan31st and lasts for about a week.  I'm not Chinese, I don't live there or study their culture, just that there are companies shutting down early, some working right through, who the hell knows.  But tapeout = Jan 20th does not equal a shipping product.  The key point of my pointless post was that mid-February is the EARLIEST you can expect something.  I would say March.  

I think March is too optimistic.

Tapeout just means the design is finished.

*If* they taped-out on Jan 20, and the fab started making the mask straight away it wouldn't be finished until late February at the earliest assuming that the fab will shut down for a week at the beginning of February. Then they have to actually make the wafers, slice them, package them, bump them and test them. If all that goes as fast as practically possible, and the tests results are good enough, then they can produce the chips in volume. I think with everything going about as well as could be expected they might have chips in volume by early April, not earlier. Then they've got to put them on PCBs and do final packaging.

If they have working miners in volume by the end of April they will have excelled themselves. Anyone who hopes for significantly sooner is going to be disappointed.

There was never any realistic chance of March. April at best.

Unless they taped out at the end of last month and just didn't happen to mention it to anyone. All conjecture at this point.
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I'm just saying that there are probably a lot of little parts to order and they may have difficulties at this time to obtain them.  I'm not saying because this one company is taking 3 weeks off that everyone will.  I'm just saying maybe, there may be delays in the next little while.  Apparently officially it's Jan31st and lasts for about a week.  I'm not Chinese, I don't live there or study their culture, just that there are companies shutting down early, some working right through, who the hell knows.  But tapeout = Jan 20th does not equal a shipping product.  The key point of my pointless post was that mid-February is the EARLIEST you can expect something.  I would say March.  

I think March is too optimistic.

Tapeout just means the design is finished.

*If* they taped-out on Jan 20, and the fab started making the mask straight away it wouldn't be finished until late February at the earliest assuming that the fab will shut down for a week at the beginning of February. Then they have to actually make the wafers, slice them, package them, bump them and test them. If all that goes as fast as practically possible, and the tests results are good enough, then they can produce the chips in volume. I think with everything going about as well as could be expected they might have chips in volume by early April, not earlier. Then they've got to put them on PCBs and do final packaging.

If they have working miners in volume by the end of April they will have excelled themselves. Anyone who hopes for significantly sooner is going to be disappointed.

There was never any realistic chance of March. April at best.
legendary
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I'm just saying that there are probably a lot of little parts to order and they may have difficulties at this time to obtain them.  I'm not saying because this one company is taking 3 weeks off that everyone will.  I'm just saying maybe, there may be delays in the next little while.  Apparently officially it's Jan31st and lasts for about a week.  I'm not Chinese, I don't live there or study their culture, just that there are companies shutting down early, some working right through, who the hell knows.  But tapeout = Jan 20th does not equal a shipping product.  The key point of my pointless post was that mid-February is the EARLIEST you can expect something.  I would say March.  

I think March is too optimistic.

Tapeout just means the design is finished.

*If* they taped-out on Jan 20, and the fab started making the mask straight away it wouldn't be finished until late February at the earliest assuming that the fab will shut down for a week at the beginning of February. Then they have to actually make the wafers, slice them, package them, bump them and test them. If all that goes as fast as practically possible, and the tests results are good enough, then they can produce the chips in volume. I think with everything going about as well as could be expected they might have chips in volume by early April, not earlier. Then they've got to put them on PCBs and do final packaging.

If they have working miners in volume by the end of April they will have excelled themselves. Anyone who hopes for significantly sooner is going to be disappointed.

Edit: Also, considering they are going for a liquid-cooled data centre in a shipping container, they will have to test that configuration out as well. I think late April to get one of those puppies cooking would be an amazing effort.
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