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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 773. (Read 3917635 times)

legendary
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Worse, he just dropped the price to 2.7 BTC. I admit - I'm surprised it's that low and I predict that they get snapped up in < 24 hours. It feels like a forced sell due to needing funds in a short period of time.
If he was an early buyer, that's not that bad of a move, I think. He probably reached ROI from dividends and is just cashing in some huge benefits now.
Which makes me sad with my 2 shares bought for 4.7 each. Grin
I don't care, I was willing to be part of the mining effort, without the hassle.
And while FC manages to keep a decent part of the global mining rate, I'm staying.
Not to get rich. Just to add my puny power, to help bitcoin blowing banks away.


I bought the majority of shares between 1.5 and 2.5 and dumped 50% when it reached the high 4s - I've made enough profit that about the worst I can do is break even if AM plunges to near zero. I agree, there are definitely all kinds of reasons for entry and exit points into the market.
legendary
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You'd better start assimilating new information before it's too late. There is a reason somebody would dump millions USD at 'below market'- he knows it won't sell at current prices. The whales don't believe in AM anymore and there was never 160M of value here.

Well, in this one transaction we're talking about 1000 * 2.7BTC or ~ $297,000 at today's prices. I'd say he's giving up about $100K by not waiting until the price bounces back, but time will tell if the millions get dumped, as you suggest they will.
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Worse, he just dropped the price to 2.7 BTC. I admit - I'm surprised it's that low and I predict that they get snapped up in < 24 hours. It feels like a forced sell due to needing funds in a short period of time.

You'd better start assimilating new information before it's too late. There is a reason somebody would dump millions USD at 'below market'- he knows it won't sell at current prices. The whales don't believe in AM anymore and there was never 160M of value here.

Correction: one whale doesn't believe in it anymore or he needs funds desperately for some reason. Don't see any other mass dumping on the Auctions board.
sr. member
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Cuddling, censored, unicorn-shaped troll.
Worse, he just dropped the price to 2.7 BTC. I admit - I'm surprised it's that low and I predict that they get snapped up in < 24 hours. It feels like a forced sell due to needing funds in a short period of time.
If he was an early buyer, that's not that bad of a move, I think. He probably reached ROI from dividends and is just cashing in some huge benefits now.
Which makes me sad with my 2 shares bought for 4.7 each. Grin
I don't care, I was willing to be part of the mining effort, without the hassle.
And while FC manages to keep a decent part of the global mining rate, I'm staying.
Not to get rich. Just to add my puny power, to help bitcoin blowing banks away.

sr. member
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Worse, he just dropped the price to 2.7 BTC. I admit - I'm surprised it's that low and I predict that they get snapped up in < 24 hours. It feels like a forced sell due to needing funds in a short period of time.

You'd better start assimilating new information before it's too late. There is a reason somebody would dump millions USD at 'below market'- he knows it won't sell at current prices. The whales don't believe in AM anymore and there was never 160M of value here.
hero member
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He downed the price to 2.7
legendary
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Worse, he just dropped the price to 2.7 BTC. I admit - I'm surprised it's that low and I predict that they get snapped up in < 24 hours. It feels like a forced sell due to needing funds in a short period of time.
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I have tears in my eyes because I don't have coins to buy those shares....... Lets just see the divs and update and then the flood will come....
newbie
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Hey, is 1000 more than 400?

Haha even though my blood is in the streets that comment had me laughing.
Well played on all fronts.
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@canth
I'm loving the shakeup. I got back onboard at 3.7 - and after seeing everyone freak out about low divs or other IPOs, I am glad to see the weak hands leave the boat.
In the end, some play it speculatively, others invest.

Yup - I've got no problem with the panic sells (of a few shares). The real price for any share is what you can sell > 0.1% of the shares for, in the case of AM at least 400. I don't remember seeing more than a few shares go for over 5 BTC nor do I think that anyone would sell 400 shares for under 3.5 BTC today. It's funny because this scenario is even more exaggerated on other stocks that don't frequently trade as much volume as AM does. Then people REALLY freak when the price plunges or takes off, even though only a few shares traded hands.

In general, as much as the prices fluctuate and as much as there's a noisy minority of disruptive shareholders posting incendiary crap, the majority of investors seem comfortable to buy and hold. If they didn't, the share volume traded would be much higher. I'm looking forward to seeing what kind of an operation Friedcat (and his competition) will be running in 6-12 months or more.


Hey, is 1000 more than 400?
hero member
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Just popping in with an update that I've been flying all day and that's why I haven't paid out our various TATI AM PT divs as quickly as usual.

I'm back and catching up now.
legendary
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Anyone else notice the hashrate climbing the past day?

Was at 8% and now is at 12% according to http://blockchain.info/pools

What is the planned target hashrate for the soon to be added hardware?

It is a hashrate estimate... it is possible we are just getting lucky finding blocks / were unlucky before.  Target has always been 10% of the network, although historically we were much higher.  Why were we higher?  Because Friedcat knew he needed to get ahead when he could, so when he fell he fell back to the Target, and not far below it.

Don't forget that the initial deployments were put into production assuming there would already be competing products on the market, which meant ASICMINER heavily over-shot the target percentage of the network.  ASICMINER was planned to come out *after* BFL and Avalon deployment, and ended up beating both to the punch (the only other ASICs that existed at the time were the units given to jgarzik and Bitcoin Foundation).
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Anyone else notice the hashrate climbing the past day?

Was at 8% and now is at 12% according to http://blockchain.info/pools

What is the planned target hashrate for the soon to be added hardware?

It is a hashrate estimate... it is possible we are just getting lucky finding blocks / were unlucky before.  Target has always been 10% of the network, although historically we were much higher.  Why were we higher?  Because Friedcat knew he needed to get ahead when he could, so when he fell he fell back to the Target, and not far below it.
newbie
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Anyone else notice the hashrate climbing the past day?

Was at 8% and now is at 12% according to http://blockchain.info/pools

What is the planned target hashrate for the soon to be added hardware?
member
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The one time he accepted pre-orders and missed the projected delivery date, he offered refunds and made things right.  
He didn't sell pre-orders, a reseller did, and FC helped to make it right.  But, it was not FC pre-selling.

True, I glossed over that subtlety for the sake of brevity.
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
This time might be worth a Friedcat appearance
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This argument was made when people warned about Yifu by pointing at Josh and BFL - "it's a different company!". Well, sure, but it proves the risks, no?

I am saying your faith in FC is irrational.
Well, my faith is based on his actions.

I'm saying your criticism is irrational.

"someone else is an ass, so everyone is an ass"

We're talking about ASIC companies here, not "everyone". There is a clear pattern and you should appreciate that risk.
sr. member
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This argument was made when people warned about Yifu by pointing at Josh and BFL - "it's a different company!". Well, sure, but it proves the risks, no?

I am saying your faith in FC is irrational.
Well, my faith is based on his actions.

I'm saying your criticism is irrational.

"someone else is an ass, so everyone is an ass"
sr. member
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Not really. I've seen this before - I was a victim, in fact. I said, "Yifu was a straight-shooter with the FPGAs and Batch 1. His batch 2 is a little delayed but I know he'll deliver", and I bought his damn chips.

Fool me twice shame on me.

So, because of another company and their handling of product, you're saying FC is somehow scamming us?

This argument was made when people warned about Yifu by pointing at Josh and BFL - "it's a different company!". Well, sure, but it proves the risks, no?

I am saying your faith in FC is irrational.
legendary
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Learning the troll avoidance button :)
The one time he accepted pre-orders and missed the projected delivery date, he offered refunds and made things right.  
He didn't sell pre-orders, a reseller did, and FC helped to make it right.  But, it was not FC pre-selling.

As a note Rockxie has money stuck that might be missing from this dividend
Coinbase lol
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rockxie-60803

Group buy stuff
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265985.0;topicseen
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270999.120
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=272566.40;topicseen
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