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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 823. (Read 3917468 times)

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What are the conditions for a buyback of ASICminer
Here are the only conditions:
each ASICMINER share always owns 1/400000 of the company.
...Friedcat's contract with us isn't for life, it's for eternity.
I'm ok with that!
No issues here ^_^
We will grow old together haha

I'm curious about this no buyback clause situation. Does that mean that even if say, a huge company is interested in buying the entirety of ASICMINER's operations that the company controlling ASICMINER, Bitfountain, will not be able to sell, even if the offer were incredibly high for each share? Would this mean the company offering to buy back the shares would need to consult and negotiate with every single holder to buy out all the shares? Or would it simply mean that the majority holding of Bitfountain's shares would shift owners and the new owners would be obligated to continue serving the rest of the shareholders according to the initial IPO conditions?

Pardon me if I sound a little naive, but is this a good or a bad thing?

I think the whole "can ASICMINER ever be sold and under what conditions" is an incredibly high-priority question to ask friedcat. We all need clarification on this from the cat's mouth
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What are the conditions for a buyback of ASICminer
Here are the only conditions:
each ASICMINER share always owns 1/400000 of the company.
...Friedcat's contract with us isn't for life, it's for eternity.
I'm ok with that!
No issues here ^_^
We will grow old together haha

I'm curious about this no buyback clause situation. Does that mean that even if say, a huge company is interested in buying the entirety of ASICMINER's operations that the company controlling ASICMINER, Bitfountain, will not be able to sell, even if the offer were incredibly high for each share? Would this mean the company offering to buy back the shares would need to consult and negotiate with every single holder to buy out all the shares? Or would it simply mean that the majority holding of Bitfountain's shares would shift owners and the new owners would be obligated to continue serving the rest of the shareholders according to the initial IPO conditions?

Pardon me if I sound a little naive, but is this a good or a bad thing?
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Well it is also a problem for people sending transactions.  They have to wait longer for an initial transaction confirmation because ASICminer is passing those transactions on to the next miner to find a block.

Someone pointed out it also leads to more orphaned blocks for ASICminer, although I think this doesn't happen too often.

ASICMiner has a higher percentage of orphans than any pool.
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All these price cut confirmations (and massive jumps on group buy/btcguild orders) is giving me a good indication of our weekly dividend...

Can't wait for those blade sales to be official! Bring on the basics, BFL/Avalon. Though at this point might as well buy the hardware from asicminer and fulfill your preorders :-)
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how do people who originally bought sticks from Friedcat at 1.99BTC each take advantage of the coupon discount system?

In cryptographic identities we believe. The way of the true Bitcoiners.

Need I say more?

cool, will wait and see Smiley
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Well it is also a problem for people sending transactions.  They have to wait longer for an initial transaction confirmation because ASICminer is passing those transactions on to the next miner to find a block.

Someone pointed out it also leads to more orphaned blocks for ASICminer, although I think this doesn't happen too often.
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how do people who originally bought sticks from Friedcat at 1.99BTC each take advantage of the coupon discount system?

In cryptographic identities we believe. The way of the true Bitcoiners.

Need I say more?
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how do people who originally bought sticks from Friedcat at 1.99BTC each take advantage of the coupon discount system?
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I'm a tiny bit displeased by the fact, that AM doesn't have love for the international anymore.. ;(

Seems that BTCGuild is gonna ship International in a few days! Smiley

"International Sales Update:
Starting August 2, international orders will become available."
(Source)

Would be aaawesome if they decide to add the blades! Shocked Grin

I can't take too much good news in one day. Gives me palpitations. Let's leave the blades news a bit. Regular good news stream  Smiley
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Of course.  Oh well.  It's hit my sweet spot for a toy, so ordered one. Looks like I'm far from being the only one. Good news for us!
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I'm a tiny bit displeased by the fact, that AM doesn't have love for the international anymore.. ;(

Seems that BTCGuild is gonna ship International in a few days! Smiley

"International Sales Update:
Starting August 2, international orders will become available."
(Source)

Would be aaawesome if they decide to add the blades! Shocked Grin
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ASIC Wannabe
Price cut of usb miners is official: https://www.btcguild.com/index.php?page=store

Is it USA-only? I'm in canada and would love to order at least 3-5 of them!
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Friedcat should really hire some major pool operator, as a paid consultant, to help him figure out the problem with not including transactions.
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I fear Bitcoin is going to turn out to become a game for the rich. Who are either the lucky first adopters who didn't delete their wallet.dat or the likes of the Winklevii who were already rich and could afford to diversify into BTC. You can only make money with money. Just like in the current financial system.

The Average Joe will just have to sweat to get scraps from the tables of the wealthy. Same as it ever was.  Roll Eyes

Youre wrong. I found bitcoins 2 years ago and i looked at it the same way. The early adopters got rich, they have miners and can make money. But mining wasnt worth it anymore at that time. Buying hardware wouldnt turn into profit.
But i thought bitcoins will rise. I bought some for 75€ and... mtgox was hacked... bitcoin fell to the bottom.

Then i checked out how good i could mine with my hardware and found that its not worth it. Buying hardware for it was not effective either. So i stopped the time investment into bitcoin for the moment. Others already had the needed miners and buying with bitcoins was something very unusual.

Then i came back and invested again some € in bitcoins because it looked like a good investment on its own. I thought that i could not only raise the worth by keeping it but i could invest them and earn even more when i have more bitcoins at the end. I checked out the free trading at bitcoin24com and created a bot to trade there. It was moderate successful through scalping. But i tended more to GLBSE. An exchange. I made a calc with all shares there, calculated the dividends and the prices to find the best investments and found that the mining investments bring income, but at the same time the share price lose value, so you dont really earn more really.

I made some bad investments at glbse too (pirate passthrough, ...) but were lucky not to lose much. The only remaining interesting thing was Asicminer. I investigated and wrote some pm with friedcat and i found not a single doubt about the project. (I only invest now anymore in things i dont have a single doubt or bad feeling.) And friedcat looked like a complete honest person. So without finding a doubt i decided to invest some hundred €. I set the buying to 0.1BTC per share since i found that ocassionally someone filled all bid-orders up to that price. I dont understand the reason till now. But i sold bought shares a couple of times for 0.11 and higher and could buy more shares this way by buying again at 0.1btc.
Then glbse collapsed. I found friedcat behaved professional again and finally nefario gave out the share details. So my shares were safe.

And what should i say... the investment was very much worth it. The bitcoinprice was way lower back then and the asicminer share price got up even more. I quit my job (i hear already the outcry Smiley), i would have searched another one anyway, and i now live officially from bitcoins i get from that asicminer investment. I pay tax on it, but in some months i dont even need that anymore because of the investment law in my country. I checked this with my tax accountant.

So dont tell me its not possible to earn money with bitcoins anymore. When i found bitcoins i felt like the game was already over, mining wasnt worth it anymore and all others than me had made a fortune. You most probably will be an early adopter for the people coming in 10 years. Simple as that.

My roommate was interested when i told her the outcome of all. She gave me 450€ to invest. Of course it cant be so much outcome like i got but till now her shares are worth 16 times of her investment. Over 7k€ She got more than her investment back in euros already and invested in burnin miners too. The invested amount of money of course is much money but not unbelievable much money no one can afford in live.

Ok, i could have said the same like you 2 years ago, especially with bitcoins crashing. But if you think bitcoin is not at the end already you should rethink your statement.

Are you familiar with the phrase "past performance does not guarantee future return"? The important word here is "guarantee". The observation that Bitcoin did well in the past does not serve as a reasonable argument for why it will continue to increase in value in the future.
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Yes, Friedcat is emailed a full shareholder list (includes email and btc address) several times a day.  If the servers ever got pulled, he has everything he needs to pull the shares back in-house to direct shares.


The shares already have an owner from Friedcat's perspective though.  Has he agreed he would use this list to change it, if it looked necessary?


Has Friedcat ever been unreasonable about shareholder ownership? I agree that we should have/get a confirmation, but I have full confidence that he would not leave us in the lurch.

I have asked him to use the list in case anything should ever happen to me.  I suspect that should be sufficient.  If not, point him at this post.  Wink


Which bitcoin address do you include in this list? Is it the withdrawal address associated with the account?
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Well it is also a problem for people sending transactions.  They have to wait longer for an initial transaction confirmation because ASICminer is passing those transactions on to the next miner to find a block.

Exactly, and that's much more important than not getting that smallish additional tx-fee bonus.
I hope this question will get into the next round of TAT's questions.

Has AM commented on this?
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Well it is also a problem for people sending transactions.  They have to wait longer for an initial transaction confirmation because ASICminer is passing those transactions on to the next miner to find a block.

Exactly, and that's much more important than not getting that smallish additional tx-fee bonus.
I hope this question will get into the next round of TAT's questions.
I agree, it's an important question.
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