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Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It - page 968. (Read 3917568 times)

legendary
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Please, can somebody interested on keep on speculating about the short term hashrate changes of AM create a thread about it on the speculation subforum?

And please, link it here and everybody, please, keep the speculation there.

Thank you, very much.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2513845

It was working for a while but things got more interesting here 

And agree with the reasons you guys are posting  Wink
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does nobody ask friedcat via  mail/PM what happend with the AM Hashrate?

Pretty much everyone tries not to bug him incessantly. Highly doubting he's going to respond to PMs unless they're from someone like TAT or a well known forum/exchange member.

Black Lilac Financial has a red phone direct to friedcat's office.


*note: the above may or may not be a totally made-up fantasy of mine


I think everyone here, do not start panic selling, in case both assumptions are not pessimistic.

correction: do start panic selling, Im waiting @ the bottom for your sell orders.
Yes...I should change it , everyone start panic selling right now...I am waiting @ the bottom...



This exactly... everyone SELL SELL SELL!!! (until I am finished buying at least)


Please check my math, tear my argument to pieces, come up with other ideas.. but try and help me answer this question.  How the hell are we out of blades with how many we have sold?

I don't think AM is out of blades.

This is just supposition on my part, drawing inferences on how friedcat has behaved so far.

I think friedcat knew that the blades weren't a good deal for buyers anymore at 50BTC so he pulled them and will either sell them in bulk in private at a discount or deploy them to keep the network share up (or a bit of both).

The alternative would have been to drop the price the public pays every time the difficulty went up. The problem with that is that it encourages people to hold off on purchases to wait for a bargain. I think friedcat is a smart enough businessman (smarter than basically everyone, heh) to know that mining is a classic repeat customer business. If you screw over your customers the way some other vendors are doing at the moment, they'll think twice about dealing with you again. However, if you under promise and over deliver, they'll beat a path to your door, again and again.

So he puts blades on sale for a while, then takes them off when they're no longer a good deal. People will learn that if they want AM products, it's best to get in early when the rewards are best, as they'll offer the best return early and won't be on sale forever.

In a few weeks, a refreshed product will come out at a lower price point with better features. Demand will have built up again, and early purchasers will have had a few weeks of less competition from other sales.

EDIT: Dimly recall from some marketing seminars that products are all about a "promise" - shinier hair, whiter teeth, attractive to the opposite sex, etc. Most other vendors doing pre-orders are selling a "gamble". AM is selling (relative) certainty. "Order this product today, have it in 5 days and start using it." That's a clear point of difference that no-one else has yet offered.

EDIT #2: That's also why I've noticed a lot of AM haters coming out of the woodwork. They look at the AM offering and scoff "how can you pay that much per Ghash? I can get xxx Ghash for $yyy from Company ZZZ. AM customers are all stupid." Those people are not in AM's target market (they really want a gamble, or they are possibly just self-deluded about when they will get their hardware) so they mock anyone who doesn't think the same way they do.

I think this is a terrific analysis and most aspects of what you said are likely very accurate.

The edit about the "haters" is dead on. People call those of us who are happy with our ASICs making a profit in 8-12 months "insane" and "stupid", we "can't do math". Betting that kmcminer/bitfury/BFL/Avalon will deliver on a pre-order that will make a huge profit in a matter of months is a gamble. Buying ASICMINER devices that make a steady profit is a business.


If they wanted to reduce price regularly, they could use a formula that factored current difficulty. This would make it "fair" to previous buyers quite dynamically.

You stole my idea! I posted that idea a few (dozen) pages back and no one noticed it, or commented at least.    Grin Grin Grin
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7/28 dots = 25% Smiley

Is this page a real time updated? if you could share this website,I will be appreciated...
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7/28 dots = 25% Smiley

Where did you get this 7/28 from?? I only see 10 in the picture ....

He meant 7 of the last 28 mined blocks are from Asicminer Wink
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Pretty much everyone tries not to bug him incessantly. Highly doubting he's going to respond to PMs unless they're from someone like TAT or a well known forum/exchange member.
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Agree with you ,friedcat is a human, not superman.....we should believe him and let him do some his things.
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7/28 dots = 25% Smiley

Where did you get this 7/28 from?? I only see 10 in the picture ....
legendary
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does nobody ask friedcat via  mail/PM what happend with the AM Hashrate?

Pretty much everyone tries not to bug him incessantly. Highly doubting he's going to respond to PMs unless they're from someone like TAT or a well known forum/exchange member.
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does nobody ask friedcat via  mail/PM what happend with the AM Hashrate?
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legendary
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Did anyone notice that HASHPOWER drooped to 99TH...What happen???

I guess I'm hedged pretty well - I wasn't sure whether to be glad that AM will now pick up more of the Network % or sad that my DMS.SELLING would take longer to pay off...




Did anyone notice that HASHPOWER drooped to 99TH...What happen???

Blockchain.info API error...  Undecided
*fixed

Thanks, I was wondering as well!
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Please, can somebody interested on keep on speculating about the short term hashrate changes of AM create a thread about it on the speculation subforum?

And please, link it here and everybody, please, keep the speculation there.

Thank you, very much.

We've got an AM speculation thread right here, but people are speculating about future value of BTC/USD...  Grin

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/asicminer-speculation-thread-235763
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Did anyone notice that HASHPOWER drooped to 99TH...What happen???

Blockchain.info API timeout/error...  Undecided

*In that case I used 99.99 as a backup... Better than 0 (devide by zero errors etc. Lips sealed)
Now added the bitcoinwatch hashrate as backup too Tongue
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Did anyone notice that HASHPOWER drooped to 99TH...What happen???
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We're not going to 3 BTC guys...

We're going to 3.5 BTC. How long did it stay 2 BTC? Not very. Enthusiasm brings us to a middle-ground. We see 3 BTC. We want 4 BTC. We settle for 3.5 BTC.
At a price of 5 BTC this share gives you a rock solid yearly return of more than 20%. This is from mining alone. Considering the growth potential, the value cannot be undererestimated. Probably in the 10 to 15 range.

on the other hand if every share would be worth 5 BTC, then the company would be worth pretty much 2 000 000 BTC, which is 17 percent of bitcoins in circulation, that would be a lot, some could say too much Smiley

It would be worth that much if everyone had paid 5BTC for their shares.  Many people bought and are holding, so they technically bought for much lower.  Even though the company value could be 2,000,000 BTC, that doesn't mean that there are that many BTC tied up in the assets.
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what's the deal with this website?  was it supposed to be the official ASICMiner website and supposed to receive regular updates? - http://www.asicminer.co/about.html

I have asicminer.org / bitfountain.org if anyone is interested in putting something quality there and doing regular updates. 

I have http://asicminerauction.x10.mx/ which features WP auctions if anybody wants it.  While it's a free site which I will give away for free, don't think it doesn't have value...
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Sold half of its blades to some rich Chinese people who interest to mining business, and received RMB with transaction. Received RMB could prevent exchange this amount of BTC over exchange will absolutely caused a huge price dump...Friedcat a nice guy makes every possibly effort to protecting us.. God bless you ,mate!!!

This is just pro-ASICMINER rhetoric until we can confirm. Information without sources are more harmful than good.

If you have a source, post it.
Isn't feel I am overstated something by told rhetoric language. just think this is a meaningless , do not take it seriously.
legendary
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what's the deal with this website?  was it supposed to be the official ASICMiner website and supposed to receive regular updates? - http://www.asicminer.co/about.html

I have asicminer.org / bitfountain.org if anyone is interested in putting something quality there and doing regular updates. 

Would you contact ThickAsThieves, FrankTank, VJain or myself? We would probably be interested.

We're collecting questions from the community, allowing the community to vote, and TAT is submitting them to Friedcat for us. This might be a nice place to post/mirror the info.

Ian

Sure thing.  You know where to find me!  Smiley
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Sold half of its blades to some rich Chinese people who interest to mining business, and received RMB with transaction. Received RMB could prevent exchange this amount of BTC over exchange will absolutely caused a huge price dump...Friedcat a nice guy makes every possibly effort to protecting us.. God bless you ,mate!!!

This is just pro-ASICMINER rhetoric until we can confirm. Information without sources are more harmful than good.

If you have a source, post it.
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what's the deal with this website?  was it supposed to be the official ASICMiner website and supposed to receive regular updates? - http://www.asicminer.co/about.html

I have asicminer.org / bitfountain.org if anyone is interested in putting something quality there and doing regular updates.  

Would you contact ThickAsThieves, FrankTank, VJain or myself? We would probably be interested.

We're collecting questions from the community, allowing the community to vote, and TAT is submitting them to Friedcat for us. This might be a nice place to post/mirror the info.

Ian
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