Topic: ASICMiner USB group buy- orders closed, pay for extra! - page 113. (Read 165774 times)

you'll note that there's a shipping fee of .05 btc per unit. that, i think, will cover the need for boxes, insurance, tracking, etc for the bigger orders as well as the smaller.

Consideration will need to be given for what these will be shipped in. While a bubble envelope could be used for smaller groups, these devices will be weak where the USB plug joins the board and could be broken off in transit. A box would be better. This needs to be factored in.

Also, a first-class package to Canada is $10.55 . Priority mail is $20. I could reimburst the extra cost once shipped.

there's another group buy I have setup in US: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-usacanada-buy-1-19350-asicminer-erupter-usb-203496-each-5-units-195647
if you want to diversify your orders and have them shipped insured, take a look.

http://www.pastebin.ca/2374270

http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HWHjiWp8

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The escrow address for Arklan's(the operator) Group buy transaction for ASICMiner USB Miners would be:

1FFyoorSfwQC15Xv7zNZ4Lv5yZcM6WFKuF

Please state and agree to the conditions (if item is received damaged, item lost with tracking, customs fee etc) beforehand.

If possible, GPG sign your agreement to prevent any discrepancies later on and please ship with tracking to prevent problems during delivery. GPG signing is not a requirement, and any verbal exchange in the form of private messages or posts on bitcointalk.org, or email is effective as a statement of condition.

The fine print:
This Contract is solely generated for the purpose of facilitating the transaction between the seller and the buyer, which refers to the pseudonyms used on bitcointalk.org.
The escrow holder, John, assumes and gives no liability or guarantees on the satisfaction of all parties involved, although he agrees to mediate and facilitate the deal to the fullest extent he is capable of.  On the event that any problems arises, he will release the escrow to whichever party that presents him with the most convincing proof and/or after an open discussion with others or theymos. 
The verbal acceptance by both parties (or the failure to reject) and the sending of Bitcoins to the escrow address above constitutes the acceptance of the terms and conditions stated, and the activation of this Contract.

Please understand that I am assuming the risk of holding the escrowed Bitcoins, and I am using my own time to facilitate this transaction.   
I am imposing a fixed fee of 2% for this transaction, pre-paid to 1NB1KFnFqnP3WSDZQrWV3pfmph5fWRyadz .

Thank you.

John (the escrow holder)
6 May 2013
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Arklan, I will PM you my email - please send the documents there. Also, I'd suggest you to make a spreadsheet to keep everything in track and easily updated - an example of spreadsheet is here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AiYcEqkgyjc_dGU0VzhHRGpOOUxudWkxdWpDN3RmbFE#gid=0 (what I used previously for another group buy)

Thanks,
John

currently we have:
arklan 1( +3 as fee)
bigbeninlondon 1
hephaist0s 3
BlackLilac Grant 10
johnny5 15
Stevenrm87 1
AForceNinja 5
DPoS 4
CanaryInTheMine 1
Bogart 10
Oaxaca 10
Photon939 2
purplesquid 5
zapeta 5
GreatBug 5
thoughtcourier 1
Herbalconfusion 5
Pez 1
finalmoney 10
cchan 5
el3ctrophile 4
logicbomb666 1
win07 1
bitcoinmike 4
noitev 1
DeveloperFish 5
chaxattack 2
muyuu 2
shep80 1
ensign_lee 5
wa4hsh 2
silverbox 1
Klestin 2
Timzim 4
CommanderVenus 1
twobits 3
purplesquid 10
lostmach 5

for a total of 153. 147 remaining!

i have no problems showing my scanned id and all that to john. i'll get going on that. gotta go snap a pic, etc.

as to my fee: i'd be ecstatic with the suggested 1%. which, really, i'd just turn around and use to buy more miners... so i'll just up my order to 4 and we'll call it good, yea?

5, west coast us

Would that not only work if the payment amount was more to gain then doing a runner would be?

This is shaping up! Please increase my commitment from 2 to 3. (and add an 'h' to my name, if that matters: hephaist0s)

Excellent!

So, Arklan, what will be your operating fee that motivates you to mail these out before being paid?

Also, put me down for 10 devices total. (Double original order)

Uh, you've nailed what I'm offering here as the escrow.  

As per what I'm doing the previous group-buys, I am also holding the operator's fee until the end of everything including the documents above.

Would you ship to Asia?

Ill wait a few days to see if an Asian group buy pops up or not. if not then I would need to participate in a US/EU group.

id like ~20 pcs... (a mini group buy in itself)

I propose a solution to the distribution problem: Payment.

Essentially, the group buy total would figure in a percentage that Arklan decides is fair for his labor in divvying up the packages. JohnK will receive all the funds, and place the group order shipped to Arklan. The leftover amount should be remaining individual shipping costs and Arklan's fee which will be released as soon as proof of delivery is shown to JohnK of these orders from Arklan (via delivery conf #'s). Since John is asking 2% I think this would be a fair service to ask of him, to place a group order and to pay the bounty to Arklan upon success.

We need a total group buy price. Currently each is estimated at 2.0808 which includes John's fee and an assumed shipping cost of 0.05 per unit = 624.24 Shipping assumes all these buys stay in domestic USA, which I believe it was intended to at some point.

Arklan, how much time/money do you need to make sure get all these out? Since JohnK is highly repped and charging 2% I think maybe 1% is fair for this group buy, about 6 btc.

At these terms:

cost           =       units          +       shipping     *    fees
630.36 BTC = (300*1.99btc)    + (300*0.05btc)  *   (1.03)

Grand Total of 2.1012 BTC per device. A price difference of 0.0204 but motivates everyone to play more fair?

Feel free to take shits all over this, I am sure it could be improved and modified but maybe something like this could work....

I can do this escrow as what I did in the last here where I held various identifying information by the OP:


In addition to the docs above, I also received a utility bill scan (with the address confirmed as the shipping address, and the operator's full legal name), exterior photo of the house with OP within, and a photo where the house's number is clearly in place.

Bear in mind that a 7970 uses 195 Watts while two of these would be around 5 Watts. My concern is how robust these devices are.

Perhaps provide the identification information directly to John and he can verify here?

I was just going to post the same brain freeze.  Sending the BTC to John's address and then having him forward the BTC to Friedcat is only half the battle.  The much larger task is opening a big box and posting lots of little ones.  Not to mention the "run-away-with-the-boxes" problem.  Nothing against you arlkan, it's the same concern with any user on a forum that this set of buyers doesn't know personally. 

you have a point. no matter what we do, the miners have to be mailed to a single person, who then sends them on. that is, obviously, the nature of the group buy. hmm.

i will gladly provide any identifying information or do whatever i can to assuage any concerns on this. for example, my real (legal!) name actually IS Arklan. Arklan Uth Oslin. anything you see relating to that name on google is 99% guaranteed to be me.

the only reason i added escrow was people expressed wanting it. hmm. now i'm unsure how best to proceed here.

I think I am missing the point of the escrow in this case.  All it is insuring is that your pass the funds to asci miner as I understand it.   It will not ensure that you actually then ship the miner on to us.  If that is the case I would rather not pay 2% for something that really adds little protection.

I'll take 3