Topic: ASICMiner USB group buy- orders closed, pay for extra! - page 82. (Read 165759 times)
Um how long is this gonna take to get the erupters? Do we have an ETA?
I am interested in getting out for my 7 units if anyone wants to purchase at face price. I am talks of a refund, but transfering would be easier
dang it, i hadn't seen your post tvbcof. a refund can be arranged as i siad, just pm me.
or work it out with oaxaca, if that suits you.
now, i'm going to go get an energy drink so i can at least be coherent enough to not miss posts!
or work it out with oaxaca, if that suits you.
now, i'm going to go get an energy drink so i can at least be coherent enough to not miss posts!
I'll stand by my post.
If we don't see the satisfaction I want to see out of ~friedcat by the 16th, I'll cancel.
I'll let you and John K work out the details of whether and how much to re-fund me, and how/if to structure any replacements.
I shudder to think of what a nightmare this is going to be. And I'll note that if ~friedcat where simply clear in his policies the who thing could be avoided. Just 'clear' and not even necessarily 'fair'. It was my bad for not taking the time to research ~friedcat and I expect to bear at least some the burden of that failure.
I'm looking at being tied up for the latter part of today and most of tomorrow. That is why the 16th is the date for me.
dang it, i hadn't seen your post tvbcof. a refund can be arranged as i siad, just pm me.
or work it out with oaxaca, if that suits you.
now, i'm going to go get an energy drink so i can at least be coherent enough to not miss posts!
or work it out with oaxaca, if that suits you.
now, i'm going to go get an energy drink so i can at least be coherent enough to not miss posts!
If you have more than 300 order when the time comes to pay ~friedcat, do not include my order.
Hi tvbcof,
(grumble)
If need be I will pay you for your order.
(/grumble)
pardon quietness fellas, this cold is doing a nice litle loopdey loo on my brains.
if anyone wants to cancel their order and refund it, i don't see it a problem. pm me and john.
if anyone wants to cancel their order and refund it, i don't see it a problem. pm me and john.
If that happens and you need someone to buy another 2-3 units, I will take them.
Feel better. I have the exact same thing going on right now, it sucks.
If arklan doesnt have a problem with this i wouldnt mine transfering over 3 units from my order to BlackLilac
that is after i receive BTC from him
fine with me. let me know.
pardon quietness fellas, this cold is doing a nice litle loopdey loo on my brains.
if anyone wants to cancel their order and refund it, i don't see it a problem. pm me and john.
if anyone wants to cancel their order and refund it, i don't see it a problem. pm me and john.
If that happens and you need someone to buy another 2-3 units, I will take them.
Feel better. I have the exact same thing going on right now, it sucks.
If arklan doesnt have a problem with this i wouldnt mine transfering over 3 units from my order to BlackLilac
that is after i receive BTC from him
pardon quietness fellas, this cold is doing a nice litle loopdey loo on my brains.
if anyone wants to cancel their order and refund it, i don't see it a problem. pm me and john.
if anyone wants to cancel their order and refund it, i don't see it a problem. pm me and john.
If that happens and you need someone to buy another 2-3 units, I will take them.
Feel better. I have the exact same thing going on right now, it sucks.
pardon quietness fellas, this cold is doing a nice litle loopdey loo on my brains.
if anyone wants to cancel their order and refund it, i don't see it a problem. pm me and john.
if anyone wants to cancel their order and refund it, i don't see it a problem. pm me and john.
The problem would come if the order got down below 300. I'm a participant in this group-buy effort and definitely don't want to screw anyone here.
At this point I would like it if you keep my order, but:
If ~friedcat has not published a clearly documented policy on ordering and shipping by May-16-2013 and received our funds, and if he has not put us in the queued appropriately given that we had our money on the table some days ago:
- If you have more than 300 order when the time comes to pay ~friedcat, do not include my order.
- Instead, refund me, and take any fees which are appropriate to compensate you both for your outstanding work. I believe that anything up to .5 BTC for this would be fair but am happy to leave it to you two to make the decision based on whether there are other people who fall into the same category.
- Keep my funds until the end so that you may evaluate the fair costs when all is said and done.
I will sign a message pointing to this forum post if need be.
...
Not sure why you think it matters who has the money till the unit are ready to start to package.
Not sure why you think it matters who has the money till the unit are ready to start to package.
It's a 'golden rule' and fairness thing to me. If I were running things I would bend over backward to provide complete transparency.
And I would certainly be running a fair and well documented delivery queue considering the time-sensitive nature of Bitcoin mining.
I don't believe that it is that hard to come up with a strategy which is fair and without favoritism or kickbacks. Nor to I believe that should be all the onerous to communicate it and prove that it is being followed.
How Bitfountain handles this will be very indicative about whether they are noticeably separated from the likes of BFL in terms of business practices and thus what the risks are in trying to do business with them in the future. And it is very likely that in future times they will be facing significantly more competition than they do today.
pardon quietness fellas, this cold is doing a nice litle loopdey loo on my brains.
if anyone wants to cancel their order and refund it, i don't see it a problem. pm me and john.
if anyone wants to cancel their order and refund it, i don't see it a problem. pm me and john.
Where? I missed it. If you can find that statement, I stand corrected and retract most of my complaints.
Note that 'taking orders' is not nearly the same thing as 'shipping'. Obviously shipping cannot happen until the items are done. But I do expect a pipeline process where orders are shipped simultaneously with pieces being produced. IOW, it would make little sense to get a batch of 10,000 built and tested, and only then start taking orders and shipping.
Note that 'taking orders' is not nearly the same thing as 'shipping'. Obviously shipping cannot happen until the items are done. But I do expect a pipeline process where orders are shipped simultaneously with pieces being produced. IOW, it would make little sense to get a batch of 10,000 built and tested, and only then start taking orders and shipping.
It used to be linked to in the original post, but seems that post has been edited to hell, and contains none of the original information now. I really think people should edit things in a way that shows the edit history and not keep changing things.
I found the original post from friedcat that kicked all this off, unfortunately he too has recently edited it.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2025318
The jist of it is still there, that they have a lead time and start taking orders in the auction subforum. This group buy was an attempt to be ready for that , which has yet to happen. Instead we are trying to bypass that, which is fair enough,but it was never posted as an option available to start with. Now it says he can be contacted before this by group buyers. Does not promise anything, nor say they will be ready before the initial estimate.
We need a way to show post revision on this board it seems!
Not sure why you think it matters who has the money till the unit are ready to start to package.
They are unbelievably slimy, and I would not piss in Josh's mouth if his tongue was on fire.
Don't be shy, tell us how you really feel! 
You also said you did not mind paying more in fees, since it was a insignificance amount to you.
It was stated in the posting by friedat they would not be taking orders for 15-20 more days. I always expected to now see my unit till June most likely, or end of May if very lucky. This is why I thought it important to trim the costs since there was no way to get it faster
...
Where? I missed it. If you can find that statement, I stand corrected and retract most of my complaints.
Note that 'taking orders' is not nearly the same thing as 'shipping'. Obviously shipping cannot happen until the items are done. But I do expect a pipeline process where orders are shipped simultaneously with pieces being produced. IOW, it would make little sense to get a batch of 10,000 built and tested, and only then start taking orders and shipping.
---
Look at it this way. If I'm paying 5-star hotel prices, I don't want to have to make a special request for freeze-dried coffee. ~friedcat's failure to act in a manner I consider appropriate to John's query, with money in hand, is analogous to walking into the hotel room and seeing a roach scurry across the floor.
There will be ample opportunity to find a Motel-6 in the coming weeks and months, and I love bargain shopping for cheap hotels, but that is not what I am interested in right now. Mostly because it isn't an option.
Given the choice between a noisy and dangerous hotel room at 5-star prices, and sleeping in my car, I personally am inclined to opt for the latter. It's coming into focus that that is the option we are looking at here.
You know what? I always felt that $200+ for this item was a total rip-off and I never expected to have it pay off in a traditional sense.
I knowingly overpaid because I expected that in doing so, it might induce Bitfountain/~friedcat to service this account rapidly and reliably and thus I would get my unit in a relatively rapid manner. This does not seem to be happening and I'm starting to wish to bail.
You also said you did not mind paying more in fees, since it was a insignificance amount to you.
It was stated in the posting by friedat they would not be taking orders for 15-20 more days. I always expected to now see my unit till June most likely, or end of May if very lucky. This is why I thought it important to trim the costs since there was no way to get it faster
Quote
Other USB devices are probably going to be coming out and at a much much much reduced price-point. These build on Avalon 110nm chips, Bitfountain 130nm chips if released in raw, or who knows what other chips which may be in the pipe-line.
Likely in Aug/Sept timeframe. In August the difficulty looks very likely to explode as well.
Quote
If [I have to wait for a lot of delays in units which are supposedly done and be at the mercy of a supplier who is either not honest or not reliable, it is simply not a wise decision to overpay.
Only the preproduction dev units were done, it was stated it would be 15-20 days or so till these were done. These were never supposedly 'done' for the batch we ordered from, hence my earlier comments about it being silly to feel in such a rush.
Quote
A dis-advantage would be that it would reduce the effect of 'punishing' the supplier for failure to perform adequately in business arrangements and that is an important aspect to me.
Sorry, I still don't get this. The original estimate from the supplier is still in the future. There are no indications (confirmed or otherwise) that any order has been taken ahead of ours. All this angst over an unconfirmed report that the units are tested and ready to be ordered?Honestly, there's no delay here yet. Far be it from me to diminish a customer complaint, but this has so far been as smooth as glass. If you value your sanity, please for the love of God never EVER order from Avalon or BFL. I can only imagine your response to the 9+month order lead time those poor saps have incurred.
IMHO, ~friedcat should take orders which are funded (as he indicated was the plan) and should deliver in the order in which he took orders. And he should provide enough transparency to ensure that this is happening.
Further, he should make sure that procurement of this particular class of equipment is given priority on the basis of it's cost on a per-hash basis. And again, provide info that that is occurring.
Neither of these things should be either unreasonable or especially time consuming.
---
Oh, and there was not a snowball's chance in hell that I was ever going to order from Avalon. At least not assembled rigs.
And as for BFL, I considered them a likely scam from before they missed their first delivery 7 months ago. They are unbelievably slimy, and I would not piss in Josh's mouth if his tongue was on fire.
...oh. well then, since we don't need the CE mark and have 429 paid for, looks like we're in the lead. yay us!
course we're ALSO waiting on friedcat to make the official announcement that he's taking orders.
They may say you need an FCC reg. though. If they do, you need to remember these are parts and not complete in and of themselves.
I ordered a Jalapeno back in August 2012 from BFL. I figure I will get these 2 Block Erupters in this order before I see the unit from BFL.
The Sapphire Batch
This is the first batch under production in quantity. Its lead-time is conservatively 15-20 days.
This is the first batch under production in quantity. Its lead-time is conservatively 15-20 days.
That was posted in the 04-May announcement.
I'm expecting delivery to Arklan sometime during "the week of the 19th", to use BFLspeak, with delivery to me later that week or early the next.
I understand ASICMINER has been pretty good about meeting delivery schedules so far, with their blade sales.
Quote
A dis-advantage would be that it would reduce the effect of 'punishing' the supplier for failure to perform adequately in business arrangements and that is an important aspect to me.
Sorry, I still don't get this. The original estimate from the supplier is still in the future. There are no indications (confirmed or otherwise) that any order has been taken ahead of ours. All this angst over an unconfirmed report that the units are tested and ready to be ordered?Honestly, there's no delay here yet. Far be it from me to diminish a customer complaint, but this has so far been as smooth as glass. If you value your sanity, please for the love of God never EVER order from Avalon or BFL. I can only imagine your response to the 9+month order lead time those poor saps have incurred.
Jump to: