Atomic wallet. Bitcoin sent to a Dogecoin address, how was that possible?

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Quote from: suchmoon on July 28, 2020, 06:55:50 AM

That's a decent bug bounty and a good example of how to turn a potentially disastrous issue into good publicity. Well done Atomic Wallet, which I've never heard of before

Looking at the BTC0.05 as a bug bounty seems like a wise thing for this Atomic Wallet operation to do at this point.

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Glad that you managed to get it all sorted... and thanks for updating us on the result... I like happy endings and it's nice to know that we were able to help out.

Also, very happy to hear that Atomic have fixed this issue in their wallet!

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Quote from: Favelj on July 27, 2020, 10:55:56 AM

"The issue is fixed in our latest release. We are happy to hear you were able to resolve the issue with the help of the service you have sent your funds to. You can keep the compensation."

That's a decent bug bounty and a good example of how to turn a potentially disastrous issue into good publicity. Well done Atomic Wallet, which I've never heard of before

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Quote from: Favelj on July 27, 2020, 10:55:56 AM

So I can also keep the conpensation for the bug and all the trouble, it has been a month since this all began.

Thank you all again, and now both threads can be closed with happy resoultion.

Not only did you manage to save 0.10 BTC, but you also got an extra 0.05 BTC and with all that the price of BTC jumped almost $2000. You definitely have reason to celebrate, and this whole story shows that even in pretty hopeless situations there is a chance that everything will end well.

If you want to close both threads (lock them), then you can click option "lock topic" - left at the bottom of the page.

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Quote from: Favelj on July 27, 2020, 10:55:56 AM

And now I can also thank Atomic for recognizing the issue. Thank you Atomic wallet.

Their latest email reply:
"Thank you for the heads-up.

The issue is fixed in our latest release. We are happy to hear you were able to resolve the issue with the help of the service you have sent your funds to. You can keep the compensation."

So I can also keep the conpensation for the bug and all the trouble, it has been a month since this all began.

Thank you all again, and now both threads can be closed with happy resoultion.

Congralations on fixing your issue. I am happy this place proved to be a great community support.

I will give you one more advice:
Buy a hardware wallet. Ledger Nano or Trezor. They are cheap and they are very good. You won't have problems with them. I believe you learned a lot with this experience. Congrats.

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Quote from: Favelj on July 20, 2020, 04:52:21 AM

So, just my fault? Atomic wallet's fault? 50/50 fault?

I have read this problem before, but thank you for reminding users. In my opinion, this situation 100% user's fault, and if this ever happens to me, then I will not blame anyone. Each person must double or triple check transaction details before pressing the send button, and this behavior must also be applied everywhere. You are lucky this time they want to refund your bitcoin. I also rate 100% towards atomic wallet developer for being careless in releasing products. I can concede one person's mistakes, but what is the point of a team if they don't work together. You should use the bitcoin core wallet developed by bitcoin developers. There is a mobile version for Android users.

Favelj

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And now I can also thank Atomic for recognizing the issue. Thank you Atomic wallet.

Their latest email reply:
"Thank you for the heads-up.

The issue is fixed in our latest release. We are happy to hear you were able to resolve the issue with the help of the service you have sent your funds to. You can keep the compensation."

So I can also keep the conpensation for the bug and all the trouble, it has been a month since this all began.

Thank you all again, and now both threads can be closed with happy resoultion.

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Quote from: Favelj on July 27, 2020, 09:38:39 AM

I am very happy to say that this issue is now resolved in full.

Congratulations!

Quote from: LoyceV on October 07, 2019, 09:10:36 AM

Stay vigilant
Check, double check and tripple check before sending funds!

There are many other ways to lose your Bitcoin too, so be careful. The way you got back your coins is quite unique and won't happen if the loss of funds was caused by any of the other potential culprits.

Favelj

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Quote from: Lucius on July 27, 2020, 10:04:29 AM

Quote from: Favelj on July 27, 2020, 09:38:39 AM

I am very happy to say that this issue is now resolved in full.

Great news, I'm glad you managed to get your BTC back and that you decided to be persistent, because that's the only way things like this are handled. Since you have an open thread in Scam Accusation, it would be fair to write there that the matter is resolved - so even though Atomic Wallet did not intend to compensate you in the beginning, it all ended well. I just hope that they also learned something from this.

Have posted that the issue is resolved in the scam accusation thread, thank you for reminding me.

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Quote from: Favelj on July 27, 2020, 09:38:39 AM

I am very happy to say that this issue is now resolved in full.

Great news, I'm glad you managed to get your BTC back and that you decided to be persistent, because that's the only way things like this are handled. Since you have an open thread in Scam Accusation, it would be fair to write there that the matter is resolved - so even though Atomic Wallet did not intend to compensate you in the beginning, it all ended well. I just hope that they also learned something from this.

Favelj

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I am very happy to say that this issue is now resolved in full.

The site where Doge add was from were able to retrive the full amount of sent btc which they have already sent to me.
Also I have contacted Atomic supoort and told them that, and I told them if they wanted I am willing to send them 0.05 BTC which they gave me for compensation for the problem which started all of this. They, as I have seen from their latest update have fixed this big issue and now if you try to send doge via btc it says "Invalid Address" like it does for other coins.

Thank you all that were willing to give advice and help. This btc means alot to me, for some it might not be alot, for me it is a bit different. Thank you...

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Quote from: TryNinja on July 26, 2020, 10:45:50 PM

The problem is that this probably has to be done manually and by someone with access to the wallet, so it's really time consuming.

I read a good explanation (but can't find it back) a while ago. In short, after many hacks, any exchange with a decent security setup doesn't have a single person with access to private keys. So the "someone" you mentioned doesn't exist, it has to be at least multiple people.

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Corrected: BTC not DOGE. This whole situation is confusing. Tongue

Quote from: bitmover on July 26, 2020, 11:51:46 PM

They don't have any doge to send. They don't even have the BTC, because the BTC is not in an address they control.

The BTC didn't end up in an unknown address. The website can use the DOGE hex private-key to spend the coins in the related BTC address, exactly like HCP described here. And this doesn't require any internet connection at all, so like I said, the wallet stays "cold". Craft the tx, sign offline, broadcast. OP doesn't need anyone's pkey.

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 27, 2020, 01:00:34 AM

I read a good explanation (but can't find it back) a while ago. In short, after many hacks, any exchange with a decent security setup doesn't have a single person with access to private keys. So the "someone" you mentioned doesn't exist, it has to be at least multiple people.

I agree. I didn't literally mean a single person, but whoever is necessary to access the private-key (even more time consuming if it requires more people and protocols).

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Quote from: TryNinja on July 26, 2020, 10:45:50 PM

They can craft a Doge transaction sending the coins back to OP and sign it offline in the cold wallet.

I don't think this will work.
They don't have any doge to send. They don't even have the BTC, because the BTC is not in an address they control.

They have the private key from the doge address OP tried to sent his BTC to.
But his BTC ended up in an unknown address, which its private key was generated from the doge private key (which that exchange/website has).

So, this website need to share its private key with OP. A signed transaction is not enough as far as I understand this.

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Quote from: bitmover on July 26, 2020, 04:37:45 PM

That's because it isn't cheap for them to get the private keys. That address might be in cold storage, for example. When they get the private key for that address they will expose the whole cold wallet and they will have to move all their coins (probably millions of dollars). There are many risks (like missing coins, messing seeds backups etc), costs (like mining fees and developers` time)

They don't need to expose their cold wallet nor create a new one. They can craft a ~~Doge~~ BTC transaction sending the coins back to OP and sign it offline in the cold wallet. If signing a tx was that hard, they wouldn't even be able to move their BTC when they need to (like replinishing the hot wallet) and would need to move millions all the time. The problem is that this probably has to be done manually and by someone with access to the wallet, so it's really time consuming.

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Quote from: mikeywith on July 26, 2020, 02:48:42 PM

I must have missed this part, well, "not your keys , not your bitcoin", I assume even if they were willing to help they would still charge him a certain amount pf fees, some exchanges will do that for a fixed amount like hitbtc charges $100 IIRC, some might ask for a certain percentage, and some will just tell you they can't do it, let's see how it goes for OP.

That's because it isn't cheap for them to get the private keys. That address might be in cold storage, for example. When they get the private key for that address they will expose the whole cold wallet and they will have to move all their coins (probably millions of dollars). There are many risks (like missing coins, messing seeds backups etc), costs (like mining fees and developers` time)

So, I doubt the website will give that private key for such a small amount...

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Will keep you guys posted and tell you about the end result of everything in the next couple of days.
Thank you for everything.

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Quote from: LoyceV on July 25, 2020, 03:14:43 AM

The Dogecoin address belongs to a website,

I must have missed this part, well, "not your keys , not your bitcoin", I assume even if they were willing to help they would still charge him a certain amount pf fees, some exchanges will do that for a fixed amount like hitbtc charges $100 IIRC, some might ask for a certain percentage, and some will just tell you they can't do it, let's see how it goes for OP.

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Quote from: DaveF on July 24, 2020, 06:31:14 AM

Holy crap, why?
What were they thinking?

I wouldn't mind finding out the answers to those questions myself... I suspect we'll never know... but I suspect that it is probably related in some part to Atomic being a multicurrency wallet and it's need to be able to generate different coin addresses from the same private keys etc. Huh

Still, that's still some very very very VERY poor (as in non-existent) address validation Undecided

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Quote from: mikeywith on July 24, 2020, 05:36:04 PM

Quote from: Favelj on July 24, 2020, 08:01:16 AM

Thx for this, don't understand a thing about it, lol, but I have forwarded this to the doges add site. If they would be able to help.

They can't recover the BTC sent to that addy, only you can do it

The Dogecoin address belongs to a website, which means they have the private key, so with HCP's explanation they can recover the funds. I don't know what site it was, if it's a large exchange it won't be easy (nor cheap) for them to access the private key.

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