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legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
August 01, 2017, 07:16:50 PM
#87
Executive summary

Bitcoin is working fine and you can use it as you were before, possibly with slightly more reorg risk for a while.

The BIP91/BIP148 split didn't occur

As had been expected for the last week or so, the big potential split which caused all of the Aug 1 hubbub didn't happen, due to BIP91/BIP148 succeeding. There's a small chance that this split could still happen sometime between now and around Aug 10, but it looks very unlikely at this point.

Bcash split, creating an altcoin

If you had some number of BTC as of approximately 14:00 UTC, and if these bitcoins were secured by private keys controlled by you or in a Bcash-supporting online wallet, it is now possible for you to claim the same number of Bcash coins (BCH/BCC). Bcash is an altcoin based on Bitcoin; since it split, it is now 100% independent from Bitcoin other than the carried-over balances.

Bcash claims to have replay protection, but this is only a Bcash miner policy. Any Bcash miner could still replay transactions. Therefore, you can't safely rely on it.

Instructions for safely splitting your BCH from your BTC

Here are general split instructions. If your wallet software gives different instructions, use those instead.

These are the best instructions I could come up with quickly. Maybe someone will eventually come up with a more convenient way of doing it. Note that while I believe these instructions to be safe and reasonable, you are solely responsible for your safety here.

 1. Decide whether you want to bother splitting your coins at all. Is it actually worthwhile to remove your coins from cold storage (or whatever)? If you take no particular action and continue using Bitcoin as normal, then your BCH is likely (but not guaranteed) to remain associated with the current private keys due to BCH's pseudo-replay-protection; you could therefore maybe claim your BCH later on if you want. If you want to claim your BCH now, continue to the next steps.
 2. Create a totally new logical wallet with a new mnemonic, etc. Just creating new addresses is not sufficient: the new wallet needs to be completely separate from the old one. The new wallet's private keys should be under your personal control just in case your transaction is replayed or something else goes wrong. Make sure you have backups of the new wallet.
 3. Send all of the BTC in your old wallet to your new wallet, and wait until this transaction has 30 confirmations. (If you are really itching to get your BCH, it would not be totally crazy to wait for as few as 3 confirmations, but there is some risk with that.) Note that sending all of your BTC in a single transaction is likely to be harmful to your privacy; if you care about this, you might want to send it in several smaller transactions to several different addresses on the new wallet.






4. On a separate computer that you wouldn't too much mind being compromised, install a BCash wallet such as one of the ones listed on bitcoincash.org. (Warning: some Bcash wallets are known to overwrite important files belonging to their Bitcoin counterparts.) Or use a Web-based exchange/wallet supporting Bcash. Import the private keys from your old, now-empty Bitcoin wallet into this Bcash wallet. Now you have BCH which you can handle as you wish. Note that BCH transactions may be very slow to confirm for a couple of days.






Continuing risks

Although I am giving a general "all clear" at this point because the risk of serious issues has dropped substantially, some turbulence is still possible due to BIP91/BIP148 and the rollout of SegWit:

 - If you are using a full-node wallet (eg. Bitcoin Core), you should require 30 confirmations for high-value, untrusted incoming transactions until SegWit locks in around Aug 10. Although seemingly quite unlikely at this point, it is possible that miners could fail to enforce BIP91/BIP148, which could cause very long reorgs (ie. confirmations could disappear, allowing double-spending). This seems unlikely enough that I probably wouldn't require extra confirmations for "normal" transactions, but if you absolutely cannot tolerate any particular transaction being reversed, then waiting for 30 confirmations would be most prudent.
 - If you are using a lightweight wallet, you should require 30 confirmations for all untrusted incoming transactions until SegWit locks in around Aug 10, and again for a couple of weeks after SegWit finally activates around Aug 24. Long reorgs or even persistent splits are possible if miners fail to properly enforce the rules of BIP91, BIP148, or SegWit, and lightweight wallets are particularly poor at handling such things because they will blindly accept invalid, probably-soon-to-be-orphaned blocks.
 - I don't recommend putting much BTC on hosted wallets / exchanges generally. Exactly how the above risks would be translated to these services will vary depending on how each service handles deposits, reorgs, and double-spends.

Okay so I go to  bitcoincash.org  and i started to download bitcoin classic  it seems to me i have picked the wrong one to down load as it has gone back 8 years and is doing the whole btc blockchain

so here is the list  which do I pick
hero member
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August 01, 2017, 07:05:36 PM
#86
Quick question about splitting Bitcoin Cash from Bitcoin with Electrum Cash.

Is it advisable not to install Electrum Cash after Electrum 2.9.0 has already been installed? In this instance, can I not just create a new wallet in Electrum, move my funds from the wallet that has been forked to the new one, than use my private keys from my empty post-fork Electrum wallet in Electrum Cash?

Is Electrum and all it's wallets compromised since Electrum Cash has been installed? Will I lose my access or something happen to my Bitcoin in my new Electrum wallet with new seed/new private key if I use my post hard-forked private key in Electrum Cash on a machine installed with both Electrum and Electrum Cash...?
newbie
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August 01, 2017, 06:55:37 PM
#85
Can i send from Blockchain to Electrum?
newbie
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August 01, 2017, 06:45:34 PM
#84
Hello I followed this exactly and I did even see 20 BCC in my wallet but was showing a unconfirmed parent warning I closed the wallet and opened it again and the BCC coins disappeared, what can I do, import the keys? or have I been scammed by the software where can I see where the coins were sent too?

Or is there someone sort of delay?
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August 01, 2017, 06:40:44 PM
#83
- I don't recommend putting much BTC on hosted wallets / exchanges generally. Exactly how the above risks would be translated to these services will vary depending on how each service handles deposits, reorgs, and double-spends.

Actually, I believe that for newbies (like me), keeping the BTC on a serious exchange (bittrex, poloniex) is a smart move. Let them do that heavy lifting and just wait that the situation becomes clearer.
legendary
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August 01, 2017, 06:29:35 PM
#82
BCH recovery tool is live for btc.com

https://bcc-recovery.btc.com/
Can i open new wallet in BTC.com to get BCH? but now my BTC in electrum

No.  That's for existing accounts with BTC in them.

Yes, you can open a BCH wallet there, and buy or deposit BCH.  Wink
legendary
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This is the land of wolves now & you're not a wolf
August 01, 2017, 06:27:48 PM
#81
Thank you for this guide, super helpful.   I am going to follow this thread.  Just as an fyi for people, Trezor.io has some different instructions for their wallet, but it has been temporarily suspended. 

You can find their instructions by just going to trezor.io and then reading the latest entry in their blog.

I'm hoping blockchain.info ends up deciding to hop on board for bitcoin cash as well.  I was hoping for no fork at all, but since it's past that point...I am hoping that all my wallets support bitcoin cash. 

I left a little on coinbase, but whatever...I moved the majority of what was on there too
newbie
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August 01, 2017, 06:23:51 PM
#80
BCH recovery tool is live for btc.com

https://bcc-recovery.btc.com/
Can i open new wallet in BTC.com to get BCH? but now my BTC in electrum
legendary
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August 01, 2017, 06:17:48 PM
#79
If you can use private keys with no btc on it (because you just sent it to another wallet) will it work with ANY private keys? What if I have very old private keys that had some btc earlier and I'll import it in BCH wallet?
No. That makes no sense at all. The balances on BCH are a "snapshot" from around ~2 PM UTC today. If your address had money on it at that time, then you can import the corresponding key into BCH. However, you should move away the money from the same key on BTC.

The point of that is to avoid giving private keys full of BTC to hosted wallets or largely-untested BCH software.
This. I am not even considering touching anything yet as they made a lot of changes to their software.

Like throwing BTC away with the bath water?
newbie
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August 01, 2017, 06:17:28 PM
#78
is there online wallet to split my BTC to get BCH? i try download bitcoinunlimited, but required 80GB space.
sr. member
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August 01, 2017, 06:17:07 PM
#77
4. On a separate computer that you wouldn't too much mind being compromised, install a BCash wallet such as one of the ones listed on bitcoincash.org. (Warning: some Bcash wallets are known to overwrite important files belonging to their Bitcoin counterparts.) Or use a Web-based exchange/wallet supporting Bcash. Import the private keys from your old, now-empty Bitcoin wallet into this Bcash wallet. Now you have BCH which you can handle as you wish. Note that BCH transactions may be very slow to confirm for a couple of days.

Are these files related to the Windows folder, or to the registry?

I'm asking because I copied the entire bitcoin folder to another old hd, was going to use it on this same system for the ABC wallet until I read the warning above. What files are overwritten?
legendary
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August 01, 2017, 06:15:37 PM
#76
BCH recovery tool is live for btc.com

https://bcc-recovery.btc.com/
newbie
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August 01, 2017, 06:08:45 PM
#75
Anyone knows how it works on Bittrex? If I send a BTC there would they credit me the BCC too?
They have already credited those accounts that held btc in their accounts since 10 hours ago.

If you did hold any then you should see a new wallet with funds in them duplicate of what you had in your btc one when the snapshot happened this morning before the fork.
hero member
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August 01, 2017, 06:05:00 PM
#74
Now those previous forks of bitcoin can claim their free coins once more, is it possible that by the next 5 years or so we'd have another fork and again doubling and tripling our coins? if that could be possible then I better start buying cheap bitcoins and just save them then wait for another fork which has the large money behind it supporting it like now they are pumping BCH despite all the dumps.
I just need to kiss Satoshi for his wonderful idea of an open source currency Cheesy
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Crypto Investor
August 01, 2017, 06:02:05 PM
#73
Anyone knows how it works on Bittrex? If I send a BTC there would they credit me the BCC too?

No. You are a little bit late...
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August 01, 2017, 06:00:52 PM
#72
It is good to know that mining power is as predicted and the greatest support continues with the usual protocol Thanks 4 explaining.
legendary
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Bitcoin is antisemitic
August 01, 2017, 05:49:45 PM
#71
Anyone knows how it works on Bittrex? If I send a BTC there would they credit me the BCC too?
hero member
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August 01, 2017, 05:39:18 PM
#70
Thanks for clarifying everything theymos. As I don't want to do anything with my BCC at all, good to know that I can claim it whenever I wanted.

So in-case their replay protection doesn't work.

We should just send all our BTC to ourselves? So send entire balance from the same BTC address to the same BTC address? Does the Bitcoin network allow that?

If you are using electrum just send it to another wallet where you have new private keys. And use the old wallet where you've got those bitcoins for claiming BCC just for protection.

If you want to send BCH then we need an entire new wallet?

Exactly.

About Electrum Cash
-------------------

The name "Electrum" has been visible on bitcoincash.org and
electrumcash.org, with a modified version of our logo. The use of our
name and logo constitutes a trademark infringement.

We have never enforced our trademark against altcoin versions of
Electrum (such as Litecoin, etc), because we consider that users of
these altcoins are well aware of the distinction between Bitcoin and
their coin, and that they cannot be harmed by that confusion. However,
we do not agree with the use of the Electrum name in the context of a
Bitcoin fork, because it suggests that we endorse that fork, and that
we also endorse that wallet.

We reserve ourselves the right to use the name Electrum for a Bitcoin
Cash wallet, should we decide to publish one in the future.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

But if you look at their twitter they are saying it is not just that easy. Undecided
Just look at some tweets there:


Electrum‏ @ElectrumWallet Jul 31
Do not use Electrum and "Electron Cash" on the same machine. Empty your BTC wallet before you enter your seed/privkey in "Electrum Cash"
4 replies 85 retweets 69 likes
Electrum‏ @ElectrumWallet Jul 31

WARNING: "Jonald Fyookball", who distributes and signs the "Electron Cash" binaries, is not a real-world identity.
5 replies 30 retweets 60 likes
Electrum‏ @ElectrumWallet Jul 31

WARNING: "Electron Cash" will copy all your Electrum wallets to its own directory, and their binaries are anonymous: https://github.com/fyookball/electrum/commit/0fc02cceee9d3465849dcecb2c1126de7cf65550
17 replies 114 retweets 119 likes
Electrum‏ @ElectrumWallet Jul 31

If you plan to redeem your "Bitcoin Cash" tokens, secure your Bitcoins first! See https://electrum.org/bcc.txt
hero member
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August 01, 2017, 05:31:30 PM
#69
Going much more smoothly than I thought this would, for now.  Unless something public pops up I'll just sit tight until at least Aug 24 to verify segwit2 is in play.  I have alot at play here so I'll be watching quite closely.



Theymos, thanks for sharing and instructing the "gang" as things develop.  I am part of that gang.
legendary
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August 01, 2017, 05:29:20 PM
#68
I have a question. Why the blocks are still limited to 1mb? I just checked blockchain.info and all the blocks are having the same limits.
BCH is an altcoin with almost no support whatsoever. Bitcoin consensus rules have not changed, and the maximum block size remains at 1 MB.

It opened at $550.00

It's currently worth $286.43

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin-cash/

It's worth a lot now, but might fade away.
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