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Topic: AURORACOIN - Empowering Financial Freedom - page 93. (Read 138034 times)

legendary
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HODL for life.
Aurora coin has been created for the islandic peoples, i really didnt knew that! ...But is interesting the foresight of the owner during the finnancial international crise what started to affect worldwide economy since 2008. Them premine was used for help peoples, that's awsome idea and, old or new, Aurora coin remain one of my favourite crypto currencies.

Is this the start of a new pump or sell out now and leave coin for dead? Come on, with such a low supply you have to keep the pumps coming for AUR.

Did you miss the discussion about trading/speculation moving to another thread?

Please keep this thread for constructive discussion related to services, development, marketting, etc.

-Fuse
hero member
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Merit: 538
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Aurora coin has been created for the islandic peoples, i really didnt knew that! ...But is interesting the foresight of the owner during the finnancial international crise what started to affect worldwide economy since 2008. Them premine was used for help peoples, that's awsome idea and, old or new, Aurora coin remain one of my favourite crypto currencies.

Is this the start of a new pump or sell out now and leave coin for dead? Come on, with such a low supply you have to keep the pumps coming for AUR.
full member
Activity: 140
Merit: 100
Aurora coin has been created for the islandic peoples, i really didnt knew that! ...But is interesting the foresight of the owner during the finnancial international crise what started to affect worldwide economy since 2008. Them premine was used for help peoples, that's awsome idea and, old or new, Aurora coin remain one of my favourite crypto currencies.
tyz
legendary
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I guess the coin has got so much negative news over the last 1,5 years that a new wallet for Mac will not give it a remarkable price push.

KenChanYu and Ltex taking some profits?  Hope they both full their bags with more coins to keep the price above 15000.

Last time I sold some AUR was over a year ago, buying ever since...

Can you push the price above 30k again just before the OSX wallets are compiled to bring the coin more attention?
donator
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1019
KenChanYu and Ltex taking some profits?  Hope they both full their bags with more coins to keep the price above 15000.

Last time I sold some AUR was over a year ago, buying ever since...

Can you push the price above 30k again just before the OSX wallets are compiled to bring the coin more attention?

Attention from speculators? Not sure that's what the coin needs.
hero member
Activity: 2058
Merit: 538
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
KenChanYu and Ltex taking some profits?  Hope they both full their bags with more coins to keep the price above 15000.

Last time I sold some AUR was over a year ago, buying ever since...

Can you push the price above 30k again just before the OSX wallets are compiled to bring the coin more attention?
hero member
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Merit: 538
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform

If this is the case, then someone should get in touch with Dr. Roudik and brief him of the facts. The Library of Congress is an important resource for American lawmakers, world policymakers, journalists and students - more so its branch, the Law Library of Congress. Imagine how many people are laboring under the assumption that Auroracoin is without any utility. If Dr. Roudik is sufficiently convinced, who knows, he might write a new analysis and the LoC could be updated. There are only three cryptos (Bitcoin, Litecoin and Auroracoin) mentioned in the entire LoC - the biggest library in the world, containing over 158 million books and documents. Take advantage of this rather than allowing statements like " they cannot currently be used for payment of goods or services in Iceland" go uncorrected.

The portion in Roudik's article that you allude to, goes like this,
emphases mine:

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The present use of Auroracoins has been dubbed limited , as they cannot currently be used for payment of goods or services in Iceland. Instead, commentators claim, the digital currency will be used simply for speculation. (Daniel Cawrey, How Auroracoin Is Forcing Digital Currency Discussion in Iceland, COINDESK (May 1, 2014).)

He is reporting the situation as it was, namely that no suppliers of goods and services accept
AUR at the moment, hence the coins cannot be used for purchases. He then goes on to cite the widespread
view that the use of alternative cryptocurrency such as AUR is mainly for speculative
purposes.

He is not making any claim about goverment restricting the use of AUR here.

Also I think a lot of people are confused about what "legal currency" means here. ISK is a legal currency,
dollar is a legal currency.

If a currency is not "legal", it does not mean that it is illegal in the sense of "not permitted to use". It means that it is not backed
by laws, and lacks the official state protection. You use non-legal currency at your own risk, and this point is stressed in
the official publication of the Central Bank of Iceland, and indeed in most central bank statements about cryptocurrency.

The notable difference with Auroracoin and Iceland, compared to other cryptos, are the tight capital controls that
try to prevent leaking of national currency abroad, but as said before, it does not have bearing on actual use of AUR in
exchanging goods and services, although it does hinder speculative investment within Iceland. Or such is my understanding
at least.

The high price will be based on AUR having a active role in Iceland. No one is buying this coin because it's a tech marvel, if it is declared illegal it will be the fastest ones to dump their coins that will end up losing the least. This is all the gamble we taking because without it this is just another coin with nothing to offer.
hero member
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donator
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KenChanYu and Ltex taking some profits?  Hope they both full their bags with more coins to keep the price above 15000.

No need to attribute the correction to specific people selling. It's just market behaviour.

After the 6-fold increase, we corrected to fib level 61%.

80% might be in the cards (that'd be 0.00012), but I doubt it. Support is strong.
legendary
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KenChanYu and Ltex taking some profits?  Hope they both full their bags with more coins to keep the price above 15000.

Last time I sold some AUR was over a year ago, buying ever since...
hero member
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KenChanYu and Ltex taking some profits?  Hope they both full their bags with more coins to keep the price above 15000.
full member
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I have made contact with a government official in Iceland and will be mailing her all the details about AUR and if it will be legal to implement the ISK/AUR exchange. I will be mentioning you can use AUR to buy bitcoin but also that it will be used mainly for use in Iceland. Should have answer back next month, I will also be giving the details of the 3
foundation members. Once I have feedback from her I will inform the community to let you know what the real situation is so you more informed.

Please can the foundation members PM me your numbers and email addresses so she can get in contact with you to find out more information.

Pétur Árnason (IC) - Chairman of the Aurarad foundation
Hermann  Finnbjörnsson (IC) - Boardmember of the Aurarad foundation
Hlynur Þór Björnsson (IC) - Boardmember of the Aurarad foundation

Will this email address [email protected] be fine ?
Sure, use this email. I can also save you the trouble and send you the answer we got from The Central Bank of Iceland, also see the quote here below.

Just read this analysis of the legality of Auroracoin and Bitcoin in Iceland by Dr. Peter Roudik of the Global Legal Research Center : http://www.loc.gov/lawweb/servlet/lloc_news?disp3_l205404097_text

If I am reading this right, Auroracoin is not recognised and cannot be used in payment of goods or services in Iceland. At all. It can't also be traded on exchanges based outside of Iceland or with non-Icelandic clients, since the Icelandic krona cannot leave the country (as per the Icelandic Foreign Exchange Act). I think the devs have very limited options with Auroracoin, and one wrong statement or move could see them breaking Icelandic laws.

So what is the end game, here? Surely this is all not a matter of speculation?


This is just not correct. Either based on false information or misinterpretation of facts.

Cryptocurrencies are not by any means illegal in Iceland nor is there any restrictions to use it to trade goods and services. We are setting up an exchange here in Iceland where Icelandic people can buy and sell Auroracoin for ISK. Before we went ahead with that we had our lawyers send out official letters to The Central Bank of Iceland, The Financial Supervisory Authority and the Directorate of Internal Revenue (IRS). Each gave us an official reply back stating what we already knew as I have talked to them directly before but this was to make it official.

What it stated:
They don't consider cryptocurrencies to be a legal currency as that requires that a consumer must be able to have a claim to an central issuer of a currency according to laws nr.120/2011.
Current laws of Iceland do not protect consumers for possible loss of cryptocurrencies in case an exchange that holds consumers cryptocurrencies fails their duty or in case a payment goes into the wrong hands.

Now the part that is the source of all the misinterpretation and misunderstanding.
Icelandic laws do not require that any special permission needs to be given from the central bank for trade with cryptocurrencies. However the central bank states that when it comes to currency trade the central bank has their role according to laws nr. 87/1992 and that applies to cryptocurrencies like anything else. It is the central banks view that there is no authorisation to buy foreign currency of an financial institution in Iceland nor to move foreign currency out of the country in regards to business with cryptocurrencies.

Current laws do not assume any other possible intervention of the central bank for the type of business that you describe in your request other than what is stated in this letter.


We got the same answers from the other institutes all pointing towards a joint statement they did at the time of Auroracoins initial release. That statement holds pretty much the same as the official letters we got back from them.

The Financial Supervisory Authority
http://www.fme.is/utgefid-efni/frettir-og-tilkynningar/frettir/nr/2041

The Central Bank of Iceland
http://www.sedlabanki.is/utgefid-efni/frettir-og-tilkynningar/frettasafn/frett/2014/03/19/Advorun-til-almennings-um-syndarfe-e.-virtual-currencies/
http://www.sedlabanki.is/utgefid-efni/frettir-og-tilkynningar/frettasafn/frett/2014/03/19/Notkun-syndarfjar-getur-fylgt-mikil-ahaetta/

Directorate of Internal Revenue
http://www.fme.is/utgefid-efni/frettir-og-tilkynningar/frettir/nr/2041

Ministry of the Interior
http://www.innanrikisraduneyti.is/frettir/nr/28881

Ministry of Finance and Economic Affairs
http://www.fjarmalaraduneyti.is/frettir/nr/17813

So what this translates to is that there are no restrictions for people in Iceland to buy, own or trade cryptocurrencies. It only states that we do not get an exception from the currency restrictions and buy foreign currency for the purpose to buy cryptocurrency. Meaning that it applies to cryptocurrencies like anything else here in Iceland.

All these links to laws and articles are in Icelandic but for those of you not speaking Icelandic I would think Google translate should give accurate enough information.
newbie
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I have made contact with a government official in Iceland and will be mailing her all the details about AUR and if it will be legal to implement the ISK/AUR exchange. I will be mentioning you can use AUR to buy bitcoin but also that it will be used mainly for use in Iceland. Should have answer back next month, I will also be giving the details of the 3
foundation members. Once I have feedback from her I will inform the community to let you know what the real situation is so you more informed.

Please can the foundation members PM me your numbers and email addresses so she can get in contact with you to find out more information.

Pétur Árnason (IC) - Chairman of the Aurarad foundation
Hermann  Finnbjörnsson (IC) - Boardmember of the Aurarad foundation
Hlynur Þór Björnsson (IC) - Boardmember of the Aurarad foundation

Will this email address [email protected] be fine ?
sr. member
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Block time?
Confirmations?
Block reward?
Total coins?
Premined 50% of total = 4.5 million, that makes 9 million  but blockchain explorer says 12,136,949


Some of this is by memory, so hopefully I will answer correctly your questions:

Block time at a few minutes, but have seen it take a little longer when transferring lately.

I believe 6 confirmations before it confirms in the wallet (to lazy to open it up to double-check at the moment).

Block reward has been halved down currently to 12.5 AUR. (not sure of the ultimate halving schedule timing though)

Total coins to be mined 21,000,000.

10,500,000 were premined, leaving the balance to be mined.

The block explorer showing the 12,136,949 doesn't take into account the burned coins (5344628.347) left over from the distribution.

So there should be a total of about 6,793,000 in circulation at this time, with another 8,863,000 approximately to mine according to my calculations.

Somebody please chime in and correct me if I am in error.
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1025
Block time?
Confirmations?
Block reward?
Total coins?
Premined 50% of total = 4.5 million, that makes 9 million  but blockchain explorer says 12,136,949


where did you get 4.5 million premine? It was 10.5 million, I think.

5.344 million AUR got burned: http://explorer.auroracoin.eu/address/AURburnAURburnAURburnAURburn7eS4Rf

rocananz summarized some numbers a while back, maybe that clears it up for you?

I was curious how many coins from premine addresses will be destroyed, so i did the math Cheesy
We are talking about 5.344.627 AUR coins.
This means that 15.655.373 AUR coins will ever be in circulation.

From the 12.026.563AUR generated coins until present time, 1.000.000AUR from premine was moved to a new address belonging to the Auroracoin Foundation.
Today the number of "owned" AUR coins are: 6.681.936AUR
But if we subtract the 1.000.000 AUR coins belonging to the Auroracoin Foundation the number of "owned" AUR coins today is: 5.681.936AUR
The number of coins that are going to be mined from now until the year 2140, when all the coins will be generated is 8.973.424AUR
Correct me if i'm wrong Smiley

I didnt read correctly this
Quote
Then the last phase started on November 25th 2014, enabling Icelanders again to claim coins, only this time up to 636 Auroracoins. Again a massive 1.6 million coins were claimed totaling the entire amount of airdropped coins to almost 4.5 million, a little less then 50% of the total pre-mined coins.

Thanks for the numbers!
donator
Activity: 2772
Merit: 1019
Block time?
Confirmations?
Block reward?
Total coins?
Premined 50% of total = 4.5 million, that makes 9 million  but blockchain explorer says 12,136,949


where did you get 4.5 million premine? It was 10.5 million, I think.

5.344 million AUR got burned: http://explorer.auroracoin.eu/address/AURburnAURburnAURburnAURburn7eS4Rf

rocananz summarized some numbers a while back, maybe that clears it up for you?

I was curious how many coins from premine addresses will be destroyed, so i did the math Cheesy
We are talking about 5.344.627 AUR coins.
This means that 15.655.373 AUR coins will ever be in circulation.

From the 12.026.563AUR generated coins until present time, 1.000.000AUR from premine was moved to a new address belonging to the Auroracoin Foundation.
Today the number of "owned" AUR coins are: 6.681.936AUR
But if we subtract the 1.000.000 AUR coins belonging to the Auroracoin Foundation the number of "owned" AUR coins today is: 5.681.936AUR
The number of coins that are going to be mined from now until the year 2140, when all the coins will be generated is 8.973.424AUR
Correct me if i'm wrong Smiley
hero member
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the twitter accounts @auroracoinIS and @CoinAurora are probably the most followed profiles in the crypto space, but not active for almost a year.

can we take them back and keep working with them??

I would enjoy to get these back.  If anyone knows how - feel free to help - i'm a Twitter guys - and may help handling these accounts.

legendary
Activity: 2142
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the twitter accounts @auroracoinIS and @CoinAurora are probably the most followed profiles in the crypto space, but not active for almost a year.

can we take them back and keep working with them??
legendary
Activity: 2142
Merit: 1025
Block time?
Confirmations?
Block reward?
Total coins?
Premined 50% of total = 4.5 million, that makes 9 million  but blockchain explorer says 12,136,949
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