only applicable for BTC? not similar coins like ppcoin?
i guess Lancelot can do similar coins (not LTC)
Topic: "Avalon" ASIC, announcement & pre-order. pre-order over. project started. - page 27. (Read 98445 times)
September 21, 2012, 06:27:44 AM
about Avalon:
only applicable for BTC? not similar coins like ppcoin?
i guess Lancelot can do similar coins (not LTC)
only applicable for BTC? not similar coins like ppcoin?
i guess Lancelot can do similar coins (not LTC)
September 21, 2012, 04:52:18 AM
700USD a month? 
Yes, 700$/month. At curent exchange rate 3.2PLN/USD. So its not so horrible to live in china
I can bet that living costs are smaller there. Here I have to pay 0.75$ for bread. September 21, 2012, 04:47:04 AM
What about CE mark? Without it import to EU is a gamble.
September 21, 2012, 04:43:44 AM
... and the SMT welder operator's salary is 500$.
I live in EU. I'm soldering iron operator ...and my salary is not much bigger, 700$
please use the "soldering iron man" instead or "soldering iron operator"
...
but, as far as i know, it there such a low salary in EU now? 700USD a month?
September 21, 2012, 04:42:20 AM
What will the shipping costs for the EU be?
The same crazy $80 amount as at BFL?
The same crazy $80 amount as at BFL?
it's 60 USD ...
September 21, 2012, 03:50:44 AM
What will the shipping costs for the EU be?
The same crazy $80 amount as at BFL?
The same crazy $80 amount as at BFL?
September 21, 2012, 03:47:20 AM
... and the SMT welder operator's salary is 500$.
I live in EU. I'm soldering iron operator ...and my salary is not much bigger, 700$
September 21, 2012, 03:23:19 AM
Important Notice
1, if your order is large than 30 units, please contact " [email protected] " immediately, no matter is or isn't contact before. there will be a head start in pre orders for large orders greater than 30.
2, about payment: confirmed accept bitcoins and wire-transfer, and bitcoins will have much higher priorities. credit card is still considering (maybe NOT support by some reason).
3, for Chinese customers only:
国内在预定后，可以通过支付宝直接付款，银行转账，以及淘宝拍下预订商品的方法付款。
1, if your order is large than 30 units, please contact " [email protected] " immediately, no matter is or isn't contact before. there will be a head start in pre orders for large orders greater than 30.
2, about payment: confirmed accept bitcoins and wire-transfer, and bitcoins will have much higher priorities. credit card is still considering (maybe NOT support by some reason).
3, for Chinese customers only:
国内在预定后，可以通过支付宝直接付款，银行转账，以及淘宝拍下预订商品的方法付款。
September 21, 2012, 01:05:29 AM
What are we talking about here? Per month?
That's still unbelievably low for selling ASICs @ $1299 or $1999 per piece.
That's still unbelievably low for selling ASICs @ $1299 or $1999 per piece.
relax. 
September 21, 2012, 12:40:50 AM
What are we talking about here? Per month?
That's still unbelievably low for selling ASICs @ $1299 or $1999 per piece.
That's still unbelievably low for selling ASICs @ $1299 or $1999 per piece.
September 21, 2012, 12:26:58 AM
It's China dude. You can hire people to assemble and solder boards 12 hours a day 7 days a week for $200 or less a month by the tens of thousands.
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Quite true but I know that China can buy and sell our ass hundreds of times:) It is just a matter of time this to happen. Back to the topic - I do not think that they can hire qualified people for 200 even in China. As far as i know 200 USD workers are something like "freelancers". They are farmers and are coming to the factory on a project base. What they do is farming mostly. I personally do not like the idea my ASIC to be soldered by farmer who had a good sleep a month ago, with eyes semi closed thinking about cows, chickens rise or whatever is left in the farm and so on..what about you? But as i said despite of hardware assembling itself..Their know-how is the bitstream or whatever it is called if such thing exists for ASICS and believe me they WILL NEVER outsource it. What i mean is that in any case they will have to do some of the work by themselves... Or at least testing ...
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Quite true but I know that China can buy and sell our ass hundreds of times:) It is just a matter of time this to happen. Back to the topic - I do not think that they can hire qualified people for 200 even in China. As far as i know 200 USD workers are something like "freelancers". They are farmers and are coming to the factory on a project base. What they do is farming mostly. I personally do not like the idea my ASIC to be soldered by farmer who had a good sleep a month ago, with eyes semi closed thinking about cows, chickens rise or whatever is left in the farm and so on..what about you? But as i said despite of hardware assembling itself..Their know-how is the bitstream or whatever it is called if such thing exists for ASICS and believe me they WILL NEVER outsource it. What i mean is that in any case they will have to do some of the work by themselves... Or at least testing ...
Pretty humorous. *** is reportedly installing a 'pick and place' system to do the SMT themselves.
Ok, if you don't have libertarian leanings and do take issue with what's going on with *** right now - think about your purchase decision carefully.
Even if you are 'locked in' to *** right now, as most are, there are alternatives for future purchases. All of them from relatively reputable members of the community.
yeah, China labor cost is greatly increase these years, $200 is not enough for a quality worker.
you must spend 300$ for him.
and the SMT welder operator's salary is 500$.
September 20, 2012, 11:11:52 PM
The website is gonna crash under a DDOS attack in exactly 1 day and 17 hours from now.
Get ready for the race.
Is that a threat? Get ready for the race.
September 20, 2012, 11:09:24 PM
The website is gonna crash under a DDOS attack in exactly 1 day and 17 hours from now.
Get ready for the race.
Get ready for the race.
September 20, 2012, 08:51:58 PM
It's China dude. You can hire people to assemble and solder boards 12 hours a day 7 days a week for $200 or less a month by the tens of thousands.
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Quite true but I know that China can buy and sell our ass hundreds of times:) It is just a matter of time this to happen. Back to the topic - I do not think that they can hire qualified people for 200 even in China. As far as i know 200 USD workers are something like "freelancers". They are farmers and are coming to the factory on a project base. What they do is farming mostly. I personally do not like the idea my ASIC to be soldered by farmer who had a good sleep a month ago, with eyes semi closed thinking about cows, chickens rise or whatever is left in the farm and so on..what about you? But as i said despite of hardware assembling itself..Their know-how is the bitstream or whatever it is called if such thing exists for ASICS and believe me they WILL NEVER outsource it. What i mean is that in any case they will have to do some of the work by themselves... Or at least testing ...
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Quite true but I know that China can buy and sell our ass hundreds of times:) It is just a matter of time this to happen. Back to the topic - I do not think that they can hire qualified people for 200 even in China. As far as i know 200 USD workers are something like "freelancers". They are farmers and are coming to the factory on a project base. What they do is farming mostly. I personally do not like the idea my ASIC to be soldered by farmer who had a good sleep a month ago, with eyes semi closed thinking about cows, chickens rise or whatever is left in the farm and so on..what about you? But as i said despite of hardware assembling itself..Their know-how is the bitstream or whatever it is called if such thing exists for ASICS and believe me they WILL NEVER outsource it. What i mean is that in any case they will have to do some of the work by themselves... Or at least testing ...
Pretty humorous. *** is reportedly installing a 'pick and place' system to do the SMT themselves.
Ok, if you don't have libertarian leanings and do take issue with what's going on with *** right now - think about your purchase decision carefully.
Even if you are 'locked in' to *** right now, as most are, there are alternatives for future purchases. All of them from relatively reputable members of the community.
September 20, 2012, 07:29:59 PM
Every day saved is crucial to profitability.
Yes and no. Every day you mine at a lower difficulty means you pay it off that much sooner, but 60GH/s @ 1300 is THE BEST speed/$ ratio out there. September 20, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
Speed of delivery is of the essense. Don't waste time and money buying power supplies and building fancy cases for it. There's a good chance difficulty could skyrocket before Feb. Every day saved is crucial to profitability.
September 20, 2012, 05:31:02 PM
I am the only one that has an issue with parking 1300 dollars somewhere without a product for 6 months it seems.
No you're not. It is risky, no doubt about that. It might pay off nicely, or it might not. If you can't afford to lose the money then don't do it.
You can be sure that ngzang is honest guy and he keeps his promises. Other option is probably to try BFL and there is a big chance for you never to see your ASIC and your money also:)
Betting on Avalon is safe in terms that you either will get ASIC (in case we reach 300 pcs preorder amount) or your money back to the last cent - coin.
Make sure to pay with BTC and not USD ( bad, bad currency ) because that way you are safe if anything bad happens like tornado, hackers from Russia stole our coins, computer crash and we lost all the private keys ... but I am sure nothing like this will happen
September 20, 2012, 03:50:02 PM
As if there aren't a shortage of threads to bash on BFL, lets focus on ngzhang's ASICs, mkay?
September 20, 2012, 02:57:19 PM
It's China dude. You can hire people to assemble and solder boards 12 hours a day 7 days a week for $200 or less a month by the tens of thousands.
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Quite true but I know that China can buy and sell our ass hundreds of times:) It is just a matter of time this to happen. Back to the topic - I do not think that they can hire qualified people for 200 even in China. As far as i know 200 USD workers are something like "freelancers". They are farmers and are coming to the factory on a project base. What they do is farming mostly. I personally do not like the idea my ASIC to be soldered by farmer who had a good sleep a month ago, with eyes semi closed thinking about cows, chickens rise or whatever is left in the farm and so on..what about you? But as i said despite of hardware assembling itself..Their know-how is the bitstream or whatever it is called if such thing exists for ASICS and believe me they WILL NEVER outsource it. What i mean is that in any case they will have to do some of the work by themselves... Or at least testing ...
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Quite true but I know that China can buy and sell our ass hundreds of times:) It is just a matter of time this to happen. Back to the topic - I do not think that they can hire qualified people for 200 even in China. As far as i know 200 USD workers are something like "freelancers". They are farmers and are coming to the factory on a project base. What they do is farming mostly. I personally do not like the idea my ASIC to be soldered by farmer who had a good sleep a month ago, with eyes semi closed thinking about cows, chickens rise or whatever is left in the farm and so on..what about you? But as i said despite of hardware assembling itself..Their know-how is the bitstream or whatever it is called if such thing exists for ASICS and believe me they WILL NEVER outsource it. What i mean is that in any case they will have to do some of the work by themselves... Or at least testing ...
September 20, 2012, 02:50:20 PM
I am very much considering cancelling my BFL pre-order and going with yours in light of all the bad press that BFL has gotten lately. I just wished you could get them sooner, as by the time they will ship, the payout would have dropped, and the difficulty will be insane, stretching the ROI on one of your units.
Or you could, instead of cancelling your order, sell your order number to somebody who wants a smaller order number than one would get if ordering now.
I just can not imagine how do people believe that 20 employes including management with a nice looking old woman soldering singles working in a small place will assemble and even test 8000+ orders and catch up with promised delivery time. It is not making any sense for me having in mind that testing process will take a LOOT of time if you know what i mean...
Let us say they will outsource hardware assembling. I am quite sure that they will do testing by themselves for obvious reasons.. The math is 8000/20=400 units per person. ASICS probably shall be flashed in a first place which costs time. Each test shall continue at least 24 hours (amusing they were not be able to fire all 400 units at once) which makes about ...i do not even want to calculate it
Any way everybody takes own decision...
It's China dude. You can hire people to assemble and solder boards 12 hours a day 7 days a week for $200 or less a month by the tens of thousands.
Didn't they mention in a previous thread that they bought some equipment that would allow them to make their boards in house which was apparently the limiting factor for the fpgas?
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