"Avalon" ASIC, announcement & pre-order. pre-order over. project started. - page 28.

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Quote from: loshia on September 20, 2012, 02:18:04 PM

Quote from: TiuraZ on September 20, 2012, 01:17:23 PM

Quote from: CubedRoot on September 20, 2012, 09:02:51 AM

I am very much considering cancelling my BFL pre-order and going with yours in light of all the bad press that BFL has gotten lately. I just wished you could get them sooner, as by the time they will ship, the payout would have dropped, and the difficulty will be insane, stretching the ROI on one of your units.

Or you could, instead of cancelling your order, sell your order number to somebody who wants a smaller order number than one would get if ordering now.

I just can not imagine how do people believe that 20 employes including management with a nice looking old woman soldering singles working in a small place will assemble and even test 8000+ orders and catch up with promised delivery time. It is not making any sense for me having in mind that testing process will take a LOOT of time if you know what i mean...
Let us say they will outsource hardware assembling. I am quite sure that they will do testing by themselves for obvious reasons.. The math is 8000/20=400 units per person. ASICS probably shall be flashed in a first place which costs time. Each test shall continue at least 24 hours (amusing they were not be able to fire all 400 units at once) which makes about ...i do not even want to calculate it
Any way everybody takes own decision...

It's China dude. You can hire people to assemble and solder boards 12 hours a day 7 days a week for $200 or less a month by the tens of thousands.

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Quote from: TiuraZ on September 20, 2012, 01:17:23 PM

Quote from: CubedRoot on September 20, 2012, 09:02:51 AM

I am very much considering cancelling my BFL pre-order and going with yours in light of all the bad press that BFL has gotten lately. I just wished you could get them sooner, as by the time they will ship, the payout would have dropped, and the difficulty will be insane, stretching the ROI on one of your units.

Or you could, instead of cancelling your order, sell your order number to somebody who wants a smaller order number than one would get if ordering now.

I just can not imagine how do people believe that 20 employes including management with a nice looking old woman soldering singles working in a small place will assemble and even test 8000+ orders and catch up with promised delivery time. It is not making any sense for me having in mind that testing process will take a LOOT of time if you know what i mean...
Let us say they will outsource hardware assembling. I am quite sure that they will do testing by themselves for obvious reasons.. The math is 8000/20=400 units per person. ASICS probably shall be flashed in a first place which costs time. Each test shall continue at least 24 hours (amusing they were not be able to fire all 400 units at once) which makes about ...i do not even want to calculate it
Any way everybody takes own decision...

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Quote from: ngzhang on September 20, 2012, 12:29:29 PM

+65535

Nice 16 bits...

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Quote from: CubedRoot on September 20, 2012, 09:02:51 AM

I am very much considering cancelling my BFL pre-order and going with yours in light of all the bad press that BFL has gotten lately. I just wished you could get them sooner, as by the time they will ship, the payout would have dropped, and the difficulty will be insane, stretching the ROI on one of your units.

Or you could, instead of cancelling your order, sell your order number to somebody who wants a smaller order number than one would get if ordering now.

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We will stand and fight.

Multiple questions, I will answer them later... Sad

A little bit tired...

Quote from: Bitinvestor on September 20, 2012, 09:16:13 AM

Quote from: disclaimer201 on September 20, 2012, 09:06:53 AM

I am the only one that has an issue with parking 1300 dollars somewhere without a product for 6 months it seems.

No you're not. It is risky, no doubt about that. It might pay off nicely, or it might not. If you can't afford to lose the money then don't do it.

+65535

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Quote from: dooferorg on September 20, 2012, 09:55:05 AM

Quote from: loshia on September 20, 2012, 03:08:17 AM

Ngzang,

Can you consider the option only ASIC PCB to be available for ordering. I am asking this because I already have PC xubuntu 12.04 with 6 free PCI slots. I prefer instead of having all in a box solution to plug the board in my pc install drivers and go for mining. This will save a lot of space for us. Having 200W more power consumption is not an issue for me. And second question. Will the ASIC board have molex for external power supply? Imagine a Single PC with 6 boards or rack with 6 pc's:)

Will all that be possible at all?
Probably if ordering ASIC PCB only will cut the price also?

Thanks!

I was wondering the same thing, just slap them on a PCI card. There may be the problem of heat dissipation though

It is same if they are in ngzang embedded system or in our Pc. We need to solve it somehow probably do it your self. If the boards are PCI and do have external power supply - the must have one..You know the GPU story extender, mount them outside pc + additional coolers and we are good to go

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Quote from: loshia on September 20, 2012, 03:08:17 AM

Ngzang,

Can you consider the option only ASIC PCB to be available for ordering. I am asking this because I already have PC xubuntu 12.04 with 6 free PCI slots. I prefer instead of having all in a box solution to plug the board in my pc install drivers and go for mining. This will save a lot of space for us. Having 200W more power consumption is not an issue for me. And second question. Will the ASIC board have molex for external power supply? Imagine a Single PC with 6 boards or rack with 6 pc's:)

Will all that be possible at all?
Probably if ordering ASIC PCB only will cut the price also?

Thanks!

I was wondering the same thing, just slap them on a PCI card. There may be the problem of heat dissipation though

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Quote from: Bitinvestor on September 20, 2012, 09:16:13 AM

Quote from: disclaimer201 on September 20, 2012, 09:06:53 AM

I am the only one that has an issue with parking 1300 dollars somewhere without a product for 6 months it seems.

No you're not. It is risky, no doubt about that. It might pay off nicely, or it might not. If you can't afford to lose the money then don't do it.

+1

You can be sure that ngzang is honest guy and he keeps his promises. Other option is probably to try BFL and there is a big chance for you never to see your ASIC and your money also:)

Betting on Avalon is safe in terms that you either will get ASIC (in case we reach 300 pcs preorder amount) or your money back to the last cent - coin.

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Quote from: disclaimer201 on September 20, 2012, 09:06:53 AM

I am the only one that has an issue with parking 1300 dollars somewhere without a product for 6 months it seems.

No you're not. It is risky, no doubt about that. It might pay off nicely, or it might not. If you can't afford to lose the money then don't do it.

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I am the only one that has an issue with parking 1300 dollars somewhere without a product for 6 months it seems.

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I am very much considering cancelling my BFL pre-order and going with yours in light of all the bad press that BFL has gotten lately. I just wished you could get them sooner, as by the time they will ship, the payout would have dropped, and the difficulty will be insane, stretching the ROI on one of your units.

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Quote from: ngzhang on September 17, 2012, 05:09:48 AM

Quote from: techwtf on September 17, 2012, 04:56:34 AM

host PC NOT required
---so there's a controller embedded? it would be upgradeable, right? I hope the final product will support stratum mining protocol.
http://mining.bitcoin.cz/stratum-mining

it's a linux embedded system. which is running cgminer or something like that.

pure sexiness, Im thrilled to see respectable ASIC production groups such as yours - pr-eorder is so damn tempting......

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It would be great if those chips will have RS232 serial port as input. Let's say at 1Mbps. With proper protocol that may allow to daisy chain them or to connect via RS485 bus. And option for hobbist with opportunity to buy only chips. They may want to arrange them as they want. I like that idea the most.

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Quote from: loshia on September 20, 2012, 03:08:17 AM

Ngzang,

Can you consider the option only ASIC PCB to be available for ordering. I am asking this because I already have PC xubuntu 12.04 with 6 free PCI slots. I prefer instead of having all in a box solution to plug the board in my pc install drivers and go for mining. This will save a lot of space for us. Having 200W more power consumption is not an issue for me. And second question. Will the ASIC board have molex for external power supply? Imagine a Single PC with 6 boards or rack with 6 pc's:)

Will all that be possible at all?
Probably if ordering ASIC PCB only will cut the price also?

Thanks!

Hmmm, that board will have from 15 to 30 asics on it ... And theses babies need power to run on ! So you'll have to find the 200W the board needs somewhere or it won't work and I am afraid this is not negociable.

Now if you want to connect it to your PC why not: this is an open project and the cgminer (or alike) software running on the board can certainly be replaced by a communication protocol between the asics and your PC, although IMO this is a waste of time and energy.

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Ngzang,

Can you consider the option only ASIC PCB to be available for ordering. I am asking this because I already have PC xubuntu 12.04 with 6 free PCI slots. I prefer instead of having all in a box solution to plug the board in my pc install drivers and go for mining. This will save a lot of space for us. Having 200W more power consumption is not an issue for me. And second question. Will the ASIC board have molex for external power supply? Imagine a Single PC with 6 boards or rack with 6 pc's:)

Will all that be possible at all?
Probably if ordering ASIC PCB only will cut the price also?

Thanks!

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Holy crap.

ngzhang hardware + Open WRT + cgminer. This is like the creme de la creme of ASIC mining for do-it-yourself geeks that understand the technical challenges and don't want to have to rely on empty promises and questionable marketing tactics or be locked down to one mining pool because of supposed technical constraints.

ngzhang has done it again. Will we be able to preorder with USD or Bitcoin only?

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Quote from: willphase on September 19, 2012, 06:09:54 PM

Quote from: nedbert9 on September 19, 2012, 05:34:20 PM

@ngzhang

Do you plan on using test-net or main-net for testing ASIC units?

BFL has just announced that they will be using main-net for "QC" activities of their batch production. This could equate to 600GH+ per day of mining by BFL directly during the ASIC ramp up.

I would imagine that anyone testing ASIC or any new hardware would use testnet in a box, to avoid artificially raising the difficulty of either testnet or mainnet. And BFL have not 'just announced' this - they've never said they are using mainnet for testing - link...?

Will

Will, I hope you are as disappointed in BFL as I am. BFL has indeed lacked transparency and given the mining community the distinct impression that they would not be mining with produced equipment.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1204935

Quote from: BFL_Josh on September 19, 2012, 01:47:41 PM

All of our equipment is burn tested after final assembly/testing for ~24 hours on a live pool (In this case, EMC). After the burn-in, it's taken off the rack, packed and shipped the same day. We do this for both the singles and the mini rig and the singles PSU's (we've had a few of those go bad, so now we burn those in as well).

We are not mining with any ASIC equipment at the present time. You can be sure there would be a big announcement if we had turned up the ASICs on a live pool.

Quote from: BFL_Josh on September 19, 2012, 03:53:38 PM

If we tested on testnet, it would make testnet useless, since it would spike the difficulty to unmanagable levels.

Regardless, we aren't testing any ASIC equipment on the live network either now or in the past, so it's pretty immaterial. We already have a plan, which I explained to several people at the Bitcoin conference on how we are going to handle the live testing when that time comes.

Consider BFL is running this as a batch production and bulk shipment. Depending on the exact volume of orders, unknown, this could result in a conservative estimate of 80,000 USD extracted from the mining community for that first month of "QC."

Looking at it a different way if BFL mines their products prior to customer delivery the price point per SC product has gone up. Capitalism ftw.

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Quote from: nedbert9 on September 19, 2012, 05:34:20 PM

@ngzhang

Do you plan on using test-net or main-net for testing ASIC units?

BFL has just announced that they will be using main-net for "QC" activities of their batch production. This could equate to 600GH+ per day of mining by BFL directly during the ASIC ramp up.

I would imagine that anyone testing ASIC or any new hardware would use testnet in a box, to avoid artificially raising the difficulty of either testnet or mainnet. And BFL have not 'just announced' this - they've never said they are using mainnet for testing - link...?

Will

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@ngzhang

Do you plan on using test-net or main-net for testing ASIC units?

BFL has just announced that they will be using main-net for "QC" activities of their batch production. This could equate to 600GH+ per day of mining by BFL directly during the ASIC ramp up.

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0.11 or 0.13 process means that the transistors are 110 or 130 nm gate size? Do we know what our competitor size is? Since this obviously makes a huge different in terms of power efficiency (smaller transistor = less power, less heat, less size etc).

Also, can you please clarify on this risk of our funds when we preorder should this project fail? Previously you mentioned if failed we could lose 30-70% of value. Such a risk is fairly large and I feel should be clarified.

Otherwise thank you should the risk be low enough (70% is way too high) you can count me in for +1 preorder.

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