Topic: "Avalon" ASIC, announcement & pre-order. pre-order over. project started. - page 31. (Read 98445 times)
September 17, 2012, 07:25:08 PM
very cool stuff
September 17, 2012, 07:21:10 PM
I'm extremely happy to see that you have announced this ASIC device for preorder. Your style of development and openness, and use of open source software, open PCB layouts, and published bitstream source (at least with the Icarus) are inspirations that a great deal of people including myself sincerely appreciate. I believe your approach is one of the most compatible with bitcoin and the philosophy behind it. Thank you for stepping up and joining the ASIC fray. If your historical awesomeness continues, nothing but good things can come from your participation in the marketplace.
After all the strange behaviour elsewhere, I am very relieved you made it out with a new product: your designs are a kind of control-rod moderator in the hype machines of some of your competition.
Water in the desert my good man, water in the desert..
After all the strange behaviour elsewhere, I am very relieved you made it out with a new product: your designs are a kind of control-rod moderator in the hype machines of some of your competition.
Water in the desert my good man, water in the desert..
September 17, 2012, 07:10:38 PM
Count me in for one or two, If only for the sake of decentralization.
Edit : If this thing is to consume 600w, I think we can save almost 80$ for PSU + shipping. I'd guess, like many miners, I won't have much use for these 80+ Gold PSUs
Edit : If this thing is to consume 600w, I think we can save almost 80$ for PSU + shipping. I'd guess, like many miners, I won't have much use for these 80+ Gold PSUs
I really think that 600W number was a wild guess. It will be a lot less.
I trust ngzhang to make good technical choices.
The BFL singles plug into a computer. These Avalon devices are stand alone. A computer is at least 200W probably, right? My question is how does BFL wattage + computer wattage compare with just the Avalon standalone wattage?
No computer consume as little as 30watt, think netbook or HTPC. BFL merely use an usb port and you can add as many as you want with USB hubs. (128)
September 17, 2012, 06:20:22 PM
I actually work for a company that makes equipment for testing wafers. the quantities you're talking about are probably too small to warrant smic ordering any custom equipment from us (1 piece costs about $75,000 usd).
Is your company based in China?
September 17, 2012, 06:10:35 PM
Count me in for one or two, If only for the sake of decentralization.
Edit : If this thing is to consume 600w, I think we can save almost 80$ for PSU + shipping. I'd guess, like many miners, I won't have much use for these 80+ Gold PSUs
Edit : If this thing is to consume 600w, I think we can save almost 80$ for PSU + shipping. I'd guess, like many miners, I won't have much use for these 80+ Gold PSUs
I really think that 600W number was a wild guess. It will be a lot less.
I trust ngzhang to make good technical choices.
The BFL singles plug into a computer. These Avalon devices are stand alone. A computer is at least 200W probably, right? My question is how does BFL wattage + computer wattage compare with just the Avalon standalone wattage?
September 17, 2012, 04:38:45 PM
I agree broadly, mining software allocating 60GH/s of work is not going to be an insignificant load on the CPU that's running the show, particularly if the CPU is just an off the shelf ARM Cortex (imagine a single Cortex running 60GH/s of FPGAs). Avalon could potentially be a pretty power efficient device should this be the case.
You are kidding right ? 60GH/s -> ~15 nonce ranges/s. If the CPU load is anything but a small blip even on a Raspberry Pi, change your miner software.I'll get the info later about the CPU and the downclock it's running also ...
Now his devices are BFL MiniRigs cards (2 MiniRigs - 37 cards) and those devices require polling so the CPU comparison may not be very similar - i.e. his rig may need more CPU
The actual CPU performance will depend on how the final protocol works.
If, as I suspect, you simply need to ask the device for a reply and wait (and you also get a final completion reply) then the CPU usage will be lower even than the current Icarus hardware.
Also, the pool you use is important, if they support both roll-n-time and high difficulty shares that also makes a difference.
September 17, 2012, 04:25:24 PM
Anyway, Just a reminder that many of us already have a shitload of soon to be retiring PSUs.
Indeed, many of us have monorails 80+ gold units. We'll either flood ebay with them or try to reuse them any way we can :-) September 17, 2012, 04:25:08 PM
i understand your worry about. i think now what i have is only my personal reputation but i ensure Avalon project will much transparent than any other project. during Oct. we will have enough technique details. include documents, accurate specs, etc.
Thank you! I would be happy to find out that I'm wrong now. Please don't think that I want to insult anyone, I just want people make good and weighted decisions.
ngzhang is one of them.
Maybe you should read up a bit first ...
September 17, 2012, 04:04:52 PM
Count me in for one or two, If only for the sake of decentralization.
Edit : If this thing is to consume 600w, I think we can save almost 80$ for PSU + shipping. I'd guess, like many miners, I won't have much use for these 80+ Gold PSUs
Edit : If this thing is to consume 600w, I think we can save almost 80$ for PSU + shipping. I'd guess, like many miners, I won't have much use for these 80+ Gold PSUs
I really think that 600W number was a wild guess. It will be a lot less.
I trust ngzhang to make good technical choices.
Anyway, Just a reminder that many of us already have a shitload of soon to be retiring PSUs.
September 17, 2012, 03:45:56 PM
Count me in for one or two, If only for the sake of decentralization.
Edit : If this thing is to consume 600w, I think we can save almost 80$ for PSU + shipping. I'd guess, like many miners, I won't have much use for these 80+ Gold PSUs
Edit : If this thing is to consume 600w, I think we can save almost 80$ for PSU + shipping. I'd guess, like many miners, I won't have much use for these 80+ Gold PSUs
I really think that 600W number was a wild guess. It will be a lot less.
I trust ngzhang to make good technical choices.
September 17, 2012, 03:20:55 PM
Count me in for one or two, If only for the sake of decentralization.
Edit : If this thing is to consume 600w, I think we can save almost 80$ for PSU + shipping. I'd guess, like many miners, I won't have much use for these 80+ Gold PSUs
Edit : If this thing is to consume 600w, I think we can save almost 80$ for PSU + shipping. I'd guess, like many miners, I won't have much use for these 80+ Gold PSUs
September 17, 2012, 03:14:42 PM
I will be incredibly excited if I see an order for test equipment from smic with a device name of "avalon" on my desk in the near future, but I am guessing it wont happen.
it will 100% happen if 300 order are filled.
and if you want one on "your" desk, don't forget to order in 2012.9.23
i guess if a refund is to happen (for any reason) it would be in the currency that has been used (dollar,btc,...etc)? 
maybe it's better to use BTCs.
I actually work for a company that makes equipment for testing wafers. the quantities you're talking about are probably too small to warrant smic ordering any custom equipment from us (1 piece costs about $75,000 usd).
September 17, 2012, 03:06:59 PM
ill definitely by one or two
September 17, 2012, 02:27:58 PM
I will be incredibly excited if I see an order for test equipment from smic with a device name of "avalon" on my desk in the near future, but I am guessing it wont happen.
it will 100% happen if 300 order are filled.
and if you want one on "your" desk, don't forget to order in 2012.9.23
i guess if a refund is to happen (for any reason) it would be in the currency that has been used (dollar,btc,...etc)?
maybe it's better to use BTCs.
September 17, 2012, 02:20:40 PM
i guess if a refund is to happen (for any reason) it would be in the currency that has been used (dollar,btc,...etc)?
September 17, 2012, 02:15:01 PM
I like what I see!
September 17, 2012, 02:14:17 PM
i understand your worry about. i think now what i have is only my personal reputation but i ensure Avalon project will much transparent than any other project. during Oct. we will have enough technique details. include documents, accurate specs, etc.
Thank you! I would be happy to find out that I'm wrong now. Please don't think that I want to insult anyone, I just want people make good and weighted decisions.
September 17, 2012, 02:10:21 PM
I will be incredibly excited if I see an order for test equipment from smic with a device name of "avalon" on my desk in the near future, but I am guessing it wont happen.
September 17, 2012, 01:54:13 PM
I'm glad to see you enter the asic market, ngzhang.
I'm sure it will be a quality product. Clever move by using open wrt.
Technical questions:
How many asic chips per pcb?
Unit dimensions?
Cgminer has DD WRT support on mipsel chip. Do you foresee any problem with open wrt/chip and cgminer? (This question is better put to the miner dev's, but knowing what type of embedded chip is important)
At ~600W per unit, what heat management solution will be used?
quick answer:
1, our plan is about 15~ 30 very small chips per 60GHs machine. means: 2~4GHs pre chip.
2, will much smaller than a normal MicroATX case. you can just imagine it as a small ITX case.
3, similar controller is already running.
4, forgot the 600Watt number please. but we will design a chip have some "Steampunk style" to handle the heat.
At ~600W per unit, what heat management solution will be used?
I would guess it will be computationally split between 6-10 dies... This would enhance yield. I doubt they would be making 4000mm^2 dies as that's pretty much unheard of. And then those smaller dies would be cooled with $10 HSFs.
maybe more dies. and the heat-sink will about 0.03$/ea. reduce cost is very important.
All these asic preorderings looks like scam. Yes, and the BFL's preorderings also does not look good. There are no photos, no documents, no ID papers, links, prototype tests, nothing, but everybody are in "final stage" and take money.
i understand your worry about. i think now what i have is only my personal reputation but i ensure Avalon project will much transparent than any other project. during Oct. we will have enough technique details. include documents, accurate specs, etc.
Great News!
Hope that the pre-orders get filled!
So we can't pre-order until the websites up?
Hope that the pre-orders get filled!
So we can't pre-order until the websites up?
yep, but please give me your intention by e-mail. it's very important for me to adjust the plan.
3, this ASIC will manufacture by SIMC. 0.11 or 0.13 process.
Couldnt find a company called SIMC (maybe I just suck with google) do you mean SMIC?
sorry, it's a stupid typing mistake..
September 17, 2012, 01:49:43 PM
3, this ASIC will manufacture by SIMC. 0.11 or 0.13 process.
Couldnt find a company called SIMC (maybe I just suck with google) do you mean SMIC?
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