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Topic: Avalon ASIC users thread - page 217. (Read 438602 times)

legendary
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February 02, 2013, 11:22:26 AM
#87
Chip's power consumption is <6.6W/Ghs

ATX power loses(82%), DC/DC power loses(87%), Fan(5~20w), etc…

So…

Dear Dr. NGZHANG,

That's not the reason for you to claim the power consumption of the unit is 450w.

The power consumption of the unit is what all it matters. You picked on BFL for the same thing and now you talked like its all fine and dandy.

LOL at ... saying fans power and all that. Should I add the power I need to cool my room?

Actually, yes.

When summer comes around you will need it regardless of which vendor you go with. If you "need it" to run a Bitcoin mining operation then it should be included in the final calculations.
legendary
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February 02, 2013, 11:19:53 AM
#86
thanks for clearing that up ngzhang.

Makes sense as it's a stand alone unit.  When quoting BFL's numbers, no one includes the PC it's hooked up to either.
Which should be referred to as The "Tethered Wattage".

No BFL customer is going to bring that bit up without figuring out a cheap lower power alternative. Even a laptop adds 50% to that power figure. A desktop, much more.
donator
Activity: 2058
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Poor impulse control.
February 02, 2013, 10:36:48 AM
#85
I have a post in progress at http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2013/02/98-asic-choices-avalon-update.html

All the charts are up and are self explanatory - it's an update based on Jeff's 620W power consumption figure, and the charts show, amongst other things, what you might earn if you have a batch1 or batch2 Avalon and you're paying the high electricity prices.

I'll update it with words when I have time. Right now I'm going to bed, sad that the Avalon store did not work for me.
hero member
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February 02, 2013, 10:20:38 AM
#84
Have you tried measuring the power without the UPS square wave being invovled? I.o.w. plug it straight into the wall (or perhaps with a transient protector only)?

Most consumer UPS systems don't run inline AC->DC->AC (this is why your UPS doesn't act as a space heater while the power is still on), but basically act as a surge protector until power cuts then a relay throws starting the DC->AC which usually converts a square DC to a staggered AC.

At worst the UPS is just trickle charging off the AC line. Usually only data center UPS's run 100% live through battery.
legendary
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February 02, 2013, 09:25:52 AM
#83
Have you tried measuring the power without the UPS square wave being invovled? I.o.w. plug it straight into the wall (or perhaps with a transient protector only)?

No, though several have requested that.

It would be good to eliminate the UPS as a factor, agreed.

legendary
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February 02, 2013, 09:25:17 AM
#82
What are the odds that you could get an Avalon to run with a program like 50miner or guiminer?

Supposed the source will be opened, probably after Yifu gets some sleep and batch #2 sales

In that case, other miners may be modified and used.  It appears to be a modified cgminer, modified kernel (Avalon device driver), and otherwise stock OpenWRT install.

full member
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February 02, 2013, 09:23:35 AM
#81
Have you tried measuring the power without the UPS square wave being invovled? I.o.w. plug it straight into the wall (or perhaps with a transient protector only)?
sr. member
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Find me at Bitrated
February 02, 2013, 09:20:27 AM
#80
What are the odds that you could get an Avalon to run with a program like 50miner or guiminer?
I think the more pools you are able to use the better.
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1100
February 02, 2013, 08:51:12 AM
#79
So, it does not work with p2pool. right?

Just mined all night on p2pool.

It looks like fixing the air flow/physical configuration solved the issues.

No miner or machine restarts while I was sleeping, and while it was mining p2pool.

(no p2pool blocks either, alas)

legendary
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February 02, 2013, 08:49:54 AM
#78
what I fear is that avalon guys will mine for themselves for a while before shipping.

They mined on a test pool, according to Yifu.

newbie
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February 02, 2013, 08:28:30 AM
#77
So does this mean that the 4 module unit will pull around 800w?
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
February 02, 2013, 08:10:32 AM
#76

Software bug:  changing cgminer configuration claims to work at runtime, but does not.  Thus, changing pool settings requires a reboot.

Yes editing the configuration file has no effect on a running cgminer.

Your comment is entirely unrelated to the problem at hand.

The management software is fully capable of restarting cgminer.

Yes I know, I wrote the interface and the code that hooks into the internal functions to do all that without killing the software, but instead shut it down properly.
The interface is called the API (I wrote almost all of the API)
The commands to stop or restart it are 'quit' and 'restart'
I also wrote the code that deals with who can access the API and the cgminer options that set that.
None of that existed before November 2011 ...

As for what is in there in their version? No idea. But most likely all they've done is get Xiangfu to add hooks into getting extra work for the 24? work items required to be sent to the device each time, instead of 1 (no it's not a bASIC/BFL MCU queue - oh well) and write a driver-xyz.c that uses that and fpgautils.c

The screen output you show of the miner performance is directly from my API.
Pity they didn't use miner.php (that I wrote) that's in there also ...

Though since we don't have access to the source, they probably have a bug in there that ckolivas found today that doesn't release all work created ... and on a machine that creates work items 80x faster than a typical BFL FPGA Single, you can of course expect that memory issue to be way more obvious ...
full member
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February 02, 2013, 07:21:43 AM
#75
Did you ever try it in p2pool

Yes, see the review linked in OP.

Quote
or with a high diff share?

Yes, "vardiff" works on BTC Guild with this miner.

Quote from: jgarzik
After some very helpful advice from p2pool's author and #p2pool channel, it appeared to start working.  Then Strange Things Happened.  The miner and p2pool both started reporting very odd values for everything from hardware fan temperature to software share difficulty on the pool side.

 So, it does not work with p2pool. right?
kjj
legendary
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February 02, 2013, 07:12:01 AM
#74
DC Power supplies are marked by the DC wattage provided, not by the AC wattage consumed.  There is nothing at all strange about a device marked "450W" pulling 600+ watts from the wall. 
sr. member
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February 02, 2013, 07:07:07 AM
#73
Any system needs to pay these extra power, including BFL.

Can we have honestly from one builder ONCE?  You guys were doing so good up to this point.

That is pure and utter crap and you know it to.

The host in this case is a OpenWRT board pulling what 10W? Ok so 620W vs 610.  Claiming 400W on your site is disingenous.  Sure you have DC to DC losses so does anyone but that is part of the power load.  AMD doesn't quote the power consumption of the raw chip when selling an entire graphics cards.  They quote the card power usage which includes GPU, RAM, VRMS, fans, and any associated control circuitry.   

Your system doesn't use 400W.  Don't advertise that it uses 400W.  It uses ~600W.  Claiming anything less and then saying "oh it needs a host" when you know the host board is pulling a tiny fraction of that is just plain dishonest.  Period.   620W vs 400W is a 55% increase.  That is significant.  Rise above your competitors and start acting like a real company.  You know a real one which wouldn't pull a stunt like this because they would be facing a class action lawsuit for blatant misreprenstation of a material fact.



Yep.  I'm surprised.  This isn't a small matter.  Quite a bit of spin, actually.

To say that the full power load shouldn't be published as the first, and primary power usage figure is .... contrary to the standard practices of any consumer electronics equipment I can think of.


It's kind of insulting to be told the sky is green.
member
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February 02, 2013, 06:33:56 AM
#72
Maybe I missed it...
As this is the "Avalon ASIC users thread", I was hoping to hear from other Avalon users... 
We're all aware of Jeff and the Foundation having received theirs... anyone else?


yeah,

I really like to order as well,
what I fear is that avalon guys will mine for themselves for a while before shipping.

but as long as they have the product and are willing to ship I am alright with that.
newbie
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February 02, 2013, 04:16:25 AM
#71
Maybe I missed it...
As this is the "Avalon ASIC users thread", I was hoping to hear from other Avalon users... 
We're all aware of Jeff and the Foundation having received theirs... anyone else?
legendary
Activity: 1596
Merit: 1100
February 02, 2013, 03:02:50 AM
#70

Software bug:  changing cgminer configuration claims to work at runtime, but does not.  Thus, changing pool settings requires a reboot.

Yes editing the configuration file has no effect on a running cgminer.

Your comment is entirely unrelated to the problem at hand.

The management software is fully capable of restarting cgminer.

legendary
Activity: 4592
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
February 02, 2013, 02:50:46 AM
#69

Software bug:  changing cgminer configuration claims to work at runtime, but does not.  Thus, changing pool settings requires a reboot.

Yes editing the configuration file has no effect on a running cgminer.
There are other ways to do it of course ... Tongue
hero member
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February 02, 2013, 02:00:56 AM
#68
Jeff, in your opinion what was the "surprise"?  The extra slot seems a bit underwhelming to have been the surprise Avalon was talking up before delivery.
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